KOIN 08.13.2010; interview with gj witness who met Terri the day Kyron disappeared

[goatman]

what, what??? The only thing TH made possible was for KH to leave DY a single mother without his earning capacity and, apparently, a serious illness that rendered her incapable of caring for their son on her own. imo Not that KH is not to blame. He is, a LOT, also imo.

And it was th's responsibility to be at the science fair that day, b/c that is HER job. I don't think she could make enough money *kinda* teaching to take care of herself and two or three kids, and I think she recognized that being up at the school when she wasn't running around doing her thing was the far better deal than working two or three jobs to make ends meet. I bet she dug the destination wedding, the new house and the shiny 'stang, too. Imo, th knew exactly what she was doing when she hooked up with kh. jmoo

I was responding tp "it is incredibly inappropriate to cast aspersions at the working parents who gave TH an opportunity to sah and be there to attend these things for the sake of their child" The flip side of that coin is that because TH was a SAH to KH and DY's child, KH and DY could work.

Kyron is not 'their' child he is DY and KH's, as such by being a SAH to HIM she was allowing DY and KH, and heck even TY (if you want to go that far) to work. This was their arrangement, which is fine and I am not criticizing...however Kyron was not 'her' child. I agree with you that it was 'her' job to be there as the SAH parent, but because she was there that let DY and KH 'off the hook'.

I was a SAH and when I got a job offer I jumped at it. I don't have to work 'to make ends meet' but working gives me time to be something other than 'mommy'. I love being a mom and working makes me a better mom. Being a SAH is hard especially to a toddler/infant-even at the gym TH was never truly 'away' her daughter was there.

My husband is in the military, there has been months where I was responsible 24/7 solo for our child, I was a SAH who went to the gym, grocery store, interneted ect. but I was never able to 'drop my guard' completely, these were not my child's parents-they did not have the same kind of authority and responsibility I do. When my child cries for too long I do not get to hand him off to someone else-it is my responsibility.

 

[BeanE]

Many daycares - and we are talking about a gym daycare, this is optional playtime for the parent, not a job (I use gym daycare services, and go to the gym 5 times a week, so I'm not biased against gym-going moms) - have a list of symptoms that your child shouldn't have if you want to drop them off there. Consistently runny nose, cough, or fever, etc. Also, if they cry for more than 10 or 15 minutes, they will call you to come collect the child. The reasons for this are out of consideration for other children, and also consideration for the child and the staff. When you're paying $2-3/hr (or nothing at all if its included in your gym membership), the staff is not trained to be dealing with sick kids.

Thanks, sofia. My "baby" is almost 30 years old now, I have no babies in my life on a regular basis now, and have no way of knowing what the current status quo is on these things. I appreciate you bringing me up to date!

My "baby" had a private babysitter until he was almost 3, and then a small nursery school with extended days for working parents until he started kindergarten, with his previous babysitter as 'backup'. The only thing I remember anyone going by for mild colds as I said was fever. Of course, for anything more, it was the same, except I don't remember anything about crying for more than 10 or 15 minutes.

 

[BeanE]

BBM

Personally, and just because it's a major pet peeve of mine, I just think it's common courtesy that if your child is not feeling well and could possibly have a virus or some other, you don't take them to the gym where they could expose other kids. But then again, I no longer take my kids to the gym child care because most people do not provide that courtesy. :angel:

Yes I would agree. As I posted, I was talking about when you know it's just a mild cold, non-contagious, and there's no fever.

 

[sixnsolid]

Did we ever find out exactly what was wrong with Baby K? When I first read the story of hitting the two markets for meds my thought was she was looking for a Tylenol\Motrin type children's product. There have been a series of recalls and even by mid July I couldn't finds any non-generic version on my local store shelves. I hit seven stores with no luck before I gave up and purchased a generic. By the fourth store I was talking to everyone and myself because I was so aggravated -"Crazed Mother of Six Launches Nationwide Quest For Liquid Motrin- News at 11:00" :banghead:

I really feel frustrated with the fact that sifting through all this minutiae and antedata doesn't seem to be leading to a resolution in this case. I hope and pray that the bizarre twists and turns eventually lead to an equally bizarre but miraculous ending.

 

[BeanE]

well, because it's not fair to leave a known fussy baby in child care, either to the baby or to workers; because you can distract a toddler yourself; because if she actually worked out while her toddler was miserable with child care workers, that seems really odd to me; because I haven't heard anything about lunch or a nap, neither of which is likely to happen at gym child care; and the TOP TEN reason why I don't leave my fussy toddler who needs meds at the gym child care is because, in the grand scheme of things, making sure I get in a work out isn't my top priority over my uncomfortable, fussy, tired baby. TH herself said that baby k was having none of sleeping in the truck. If that's true, she didn't have a nap from at least just before 8 (probably at least an hour before that) until at least 1 pm? Toddlers don't nap at gym child care as a rule. There's no place or time or peace for them to do so. The logical thing to do would be, imo, at a minimum, take baby home for a nap.

I guess I'm not assuming the baby continued to be fussy, or that she was sick, or very sick. I was thinking non-contagious teething baby, or one with just a mild non-contagious cold and no fever, just giving them a try at daycare.

I'm not sure why anyone is assuming baby K was contagious and/or feverish and/or very sick and/or continuing to cry. Difference in perspective I guess.

And I guess I assumed that a daycare would have a place for the children to sleep. How odd that they don't. And if there's no peace at them, Lord, definitely they don't sound like a place to leave even a healthy child!

 

[BeanE]

Per the video, this is what Andrea says about Terri and baby K:

I didn't see Terri. She saw me. I happened to walk past her in the store, and she kind called out to me, got my attention, and I stopped to make small talk with her. I was just being polite and making chat [sic] with her, talking about her daughter not feeling well, because she was not feeling well the day before, and I knew that. She just mentioned that she was there looking for medicine for her baby, and that was it, it didn't seem anything out of the ordinary. It was just a quick chat, and like okay, have a good day.

So Andrea didn't say the baby was sick. I'll have to listen again this morning and see if she ever says elsewhere in the video that the baby was "sick".

 

[BeanE]

OK, just watched the interview AGAIN LIVE on KOIN..

Had the DBF watch it too..

She clearly says the only thing odd about it.... (didn't get exact words here-talking about
how TH approached her in FM -paraphrasing here)

BUT she DID say:

She was standing there with her daughter, sick in her arms..


I"M NOT CRAZY lol =)

Thank you so much, freefall!!!!

Hugs

 

[BeanE]

Hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes if you posted this already... I try to read most of the posts but you guys move so fast and.. it's hard to keep up!

So I transcribed the video of AL's interview, pretty much word for word..

here it goes:

Reporter:

What was that day like? I mean you didn't expect to get pulled into all this.

AL:

Um, no I-I didn't realize I was pulled into it until um I think like, you know, maybe a couple days later..just the fact that I saw her the day that Kyron went missing.

Reporter:

Mm-hm

AL:

Um, then I-I realize I knew, I knew that I saw her that day, that maybe something
about, um, seeing her that day was relevant to what was going on with Kyron missing.

Reporter:

Did you approach detectives or did they question you first?

AL:

Um, well they, they had questions about her activity at the club, had she been in the gym..um wanting to just verify if she had been in that day um, like time, you know, reference to time like where she spent her time that day um, if she had the children with her and they.. so they began to contact me about that but the detective mentioned skyline elementary and it just rang a bell because I, I had, I remember I said, "where did I hear the name skyline elementary?" you know cause I don't really know anything about that school but I heard the name of that school that day and it was because she mentioned it.

Reporter:

At Fred Meyer?

AL:

yea

AL:

I didn't see Terri. She saw me, I happened to walk past her um in the store and she kind of called out to me, um got my attention and I stopped to make small talk with her. I um I was just trying you know being polite and making chat with her and um talking about her daughter not feeling well because she was not feeling well the day before and I knew that..and um she just mentioned that she was there looking for medicine for her baby and um… that was it.. it didn't you know it didn't seem anything out of the ordinary... it's just a quick chat and like okay have a good day and the only thing that um I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron um next to his project. Like it was, it was, she, made, you know, it just seemed like as we chatted about the kids and she had just been coming from Kyron's school she just made it a point to show me his photo.

Reporter:

And what did she say when she showed you the photo? She's like "this is his science project" or?

AL:

Um, just said you know, "I just came from my sons' school ..I was working on a project with him and …" and I know what that's like cause I have kids and I've worked on projects with them and and um I was you know I made a point to say how I missed doing that with my own kids cause they're much bigger now and um… and she just said "yea you know it's going on for a couple hours so I just decided to come out and try to get you know my daughter's medicine" or whatever and.. and that was it I mean.. but, but I did, I do remember that she showed me the photo of him next to his project that day.

Reporter:

And nothing unusual about her?

AL:

Um, you know, I-I don't, you know, she's kind of, I mean, for the most part, even when she comes into the club she's quiet you know so I mean she comes in and she works out and she talks to people she's familiar with but she's pretty quiet, very focused kinda coming in dropping off her, her child, and going to her workout so um.. to me I didn't see anything out of the ordinary because she is so quiet typically and um not very social so what I would seem, what I would think maybe is odd behavior is just normal for her. Does that make sense?

Reporter:

yea

Reporter:

Do you know what time of morning that was that you saw her?

AL:

It was definitely somewhere between like 9:30 and 10:00 because I-I know that I was going to Border's right after and I was on the way to Border's before 10:00

Reporter:

Did she seem at that time like somebody that could've just harmed her stepson?

AL:

No. She-no she certainly didn't seem that way but I think she certainly didn't seem like the type of woman who did all these other things that the news is saying she's she's done either. So um you know only she knows the truth about what happened that day.

(reporter must have asked question, not on video though)

I-I know I a lot of people have been calling me her friend but I don't know her outside of the club. I am an employee for the club that she works at. Um and my job is customer service so I just make sure that she's checked in and that everything is going off well with her workout and.. that's it. Um, the, as a matter of fact the day that I saw her in the store was the most conversation I'd ever had with her.

Reporter:

Wow

AL:

Yea

Reporter:

Um but she knows you enough by name right?

AL:

Yea certainly I mean she certainly felt comfortable enough because she sat (not sure of the word) and chat with me um because I see her you know every day that she works out for the most part.

Reporter:

Explain what your feelings were once you heard what had happened.

AL:

Um…I think .. I think I felt like a lot of people feel wanting to assume the best of her.. assume the best for Kyron… assume that he was well.. that there somehow there was some accident, some mix up, or you know that he wasn't harmed in any way or um really missing and um I wanted to believe the best you know like everyone who just knows that family.. and I still want to believe the best for Kyron um but it is it's disturbing because you don't want to believe that anyone's capable of hurting a-a little kid like that you know?

Reporter:

Some people wanna lean towards almost putting a blame on Terri. Where do you stand?

AL:

I-I'm on, um, Ky.. I'm on the side of Kyron Horman and absolutely his parents. Um, (fidgeting with something on wrist?) sorry, his, his mom and dad ..I, um it's clear that they're disturbed and that they're just distraught over their son missing and um I want him to be found well and, and unharmed um I want his parents to have closure I-I think it's obvious that um his stepmother's been deceitful in other ways… that doesn't necessarily make her harmful to Kyron but at this point it's definitely not looking good from what I can tell. Um.. but I definitely want Kyron to return safely to his family.

Reporter:

Did you ever meet Kyron?

AL:

Um, I don't, I've only seen him once or twice being checked in the club but never really like interacted with him. I've probably interacted more with Kitty cause she came more often.

Reporter:

What about grand jury? I mean did you ever expect to have to go downtown and deal with that?

AL:

I did, I did, and I'm expecting more to come um I-I uh I've seen a lot go on and I think that um any testimony about where she was that day is gonna be crucial to ,you know, what goes on in in the days and months ahead, I mean..I expected it.

Reporter:

Were there a lot of other people called in at the same time there?

AL:

Oh so many, you know so many and you know they're not all her friends I mean ..some of the people are just people who spoke with her for a second and you know the day that she was at the club or you know um just work out with her you know they're, they're calling anyone who has had any relationship with her

Reporter:

And it wasn't just people that saw her that day?

AL:

Not necessarily. Just people who know her. I'm sure that they're trying to develop an idea of her um her character, you know.

There were many people I know that there were like 30 people there that day that I was there

Reporter:

And so you think you're going back or you know already?

AL:

Oh, I don't know that I'm going back yet but I'll assume I am because if I've already been called and I saw her that day if, if, if it turns if the events turn against her you know... and they start to really um make a case against her I imagine they're gonna probably wanna talk to me again about it.

Reporter:

How do you feel being able to give some information it's not a lot but?

AL

Um I-I mean I think any information is important right now I… any information, anyone who saw her that day, anyone who saw anything that day and knows anything about her character whether it's good or bad.. I think it's important.. it's all important now.

(reporter must have asked question but it wasn't in the video)

What was she doing? Did she seem different? You know, what was she wearing? You know um just wanted to know if it was anything out of the ordinary and from from what I could tell not necessarily no.

Reporter:

What was the mood?

Um at the, at the grand jury? I think everyone in waiting is very quiet because I think you know some people are still in a bit of shock about it. Everyones just um I think still reeling and.. and frustrated cause it's not over, there's no closure yet, there's no you know, um.. finding Kyron so everyones just kinda like quiet and um I think even afraid to talk about it a little it's just sad.

Reporter:

Did you ever picture this happening? I mean usually you hear about this stuff in the news but it's never to someone you know or..

AL:

Oh no I say that all the time you know I I I moved you know I'm from the east coast like I moved here cause it's quiet I moved here for a quiet life and um it's kind of crazy you know it's it's crazy that this is happening um but it's not happening to me it's happening to them


Hopefully this is helpful.

Thank you soooooooo much for doing this!!!! You're a gem.

:blowkiss:

 

[butterfly7]

Thank you soooooooo much for doing this!!!! You're a gem.

:blowkiss:

Key words "looking for medicine" so IMHO would mean OTC. Again, why not some other store??? IMHO

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Is it me or did TH suggest that she was going to be at the school for the entire fair, and since it was going on for two hours she decided to leave and get the baby medicine? It's as if she was just coming from school to get the meds, and then go right back since you know, it was two hours long. At least that's the way it reads to me.
:waitasec:

Did I explain that properly, because it's 4am.

That is exactly how I understood what she said, and I thought it the most significant thing that she said. It also makes sense given that Kaine said she borrowed the truck so that she could bring Kyron's project home. So what happened to cause her not to return?

 

[chasing.halos]

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[gwenabob]

Yes I would agree. As I posted, I was talking about when you know it's just a mild cold, non-contagious, and there's no fever.

All colds are contagious.

 

[SurfieTX]

Key words "looking for medicine" so IMHO would mean OTC. Again, why not some other store??? IMHO

My opinion is so that she would have a better chance of running into people she knew.

A few things about this are sitting weird with me. First off, there are not too many medications one can buy for a toddler that are over-the-counter - Tylenol, ibuprofen, Benadryl, gum/tooth analgesic, saline nose drops, maybe something for the ears, but they stopped selling cough/cold medicines for children recently. Those medications can be found pretty much anywhere. Heck, even convenience stores sell them.

Secondly, the picture showing. Now, I'm not a picture-showing mom, especially to casual acquaintances. Maybe some moms are? But, even so, she had a sick child with her. It seems in a fly-by, quick stop store interaction with someone, just a mere mention of the project would be chit-chat enough. I imagine she would have had to go into her purse to retrieve the camera and then go through the pix to get to the correct one to show off? That just seems so awkward and clumsy in the middle of a store.

I'm not a real social butterfly, so maybe others can help me out here. Do you show off pictures of your kids when you see a friend in a store? Have you? I'm trying to give Terri the benefit of the doubt - is that possible?

 

[Calliope]

Possibly followed from school (was this person at the SF too)? ***Strike that ... they knew each other from the gym***

Actually, what I meant was that it was no coincidence that on this day she just happened to take the time to stop and have the longest conversation w/ this person she had ever had. I think any other given day it probably would have been a "hello" and kept walking. JMO

I don't know. If I had just kidnapped my stepson and was on my way to murdering/disposing of him, and knew I only had a couple of hours to complete this deed and clean up all possible evidence before spending an hour at the gym then dropping off my accomplice back at her job then going home to make sure everything looked "normal" as my husband came home early from work... I'd be in a hurry to get the heck out of dodge.

 

[Emma Peel]

OK, just watched the interview AGAIN LIVE on KOIN..

Had the DBF watch it too..

She clearly says the only thing odd about it.... (didn't get exact words here-talking about
how TH approached her in FM -paraphrasing here)

BUT she DID say:

She was standing there with her daughter, sick in her arms..


I"M NOT CRAZY lol =)

How does this prove you're not crazy? You could still be crazy, IMO.

After all, you drive around the Greater Portland area with your camera when you don't have to, take such awesome photos that the newspapers want to use them, you're the original Portland Area Scanner, and you still listen all day long to the scanners even breaking the news of last weekend's searches long before anyone knew, you explain maps and directions and give time estimates and share local's logistical and cultural knowledge and all just to help a crime board of similar crazies have a far greater feel for what may have happened to a darling little boy they don't know but have come to love. :heart:

BTW - We love your kind of crazy:dance:, - and we thank you so much for all your crazy efforts in this case - you should be proud of it.

Now, the fact that you DID once hear this witness say Terri had her sick baby in her arms and knew it - PRICELESS!! - and yes - CRAZY awesome! :applause:

Freefallzzzzz, my friend, you are one local that might just solve this case, that's how crazy you are! :crazy:

:blowkiss:

 

[Calliope]

Or Terri wanted her to remember the conversation.

Also I think extra chattiness is a sign of lying/omission/nervousness.

MOO!

And if she'd gave a quick nod and hurried on her way ... or ignored her altogether ?

Then what would people be saying I wonder?

 

[freefallzzzz]

Key words "looking for medicine" so IMHO would mean OTC. Again, why not some other store??? IMHO

I try really hard (and I slip sometimes) not to judge in this case (the players) and just be objective.

There really is not just another "store" close by that I can think of as a local.
Other locals please give your opinion as maybe I'm missing one?

If I were at the Fred Meyer's on Imbrie, and my gym that I went to regularly was off 158th and Waterhouse, I would travel in the direction of the gym.

There is a Safeway at 185th & Cornell that I as a local can think of..
Easy in, and easy out.

On the east side of 185th there is Tanasbourne, which has a Target, but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head when they open, and a Haagens, but
I don't shop at Haagens and don't like getting in and out of the Tanasbourne shopping area right there.

(This is assuming she went down Evergreen Pky towards the gym, which is the natural route at least for me)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...532748,-122.872553&spn=0.065536,0.136471&z=13

Fred Meyer's on 158th and Walker Road is VERY close to the gym..

It kinda makes sense to me that she went there (after I did my little test drive from one FM to the other).

What I don't get, is that if she was at the FM close to the gym, but decided to "drive around" to calm baby, maybe to let the "medicine" (tylenol) kick in,
why on earth she went way back up the hill and even to Hwy 30, as she stated in the one e-mail that KATU obtained.. Now that part does not make sense.. IMO

Maybe that last part belongs in another thread..

 

[Calliope]

What jumps out at me is this statement:

And despite noting that it was obvious Horman was being deceitful, Leckey said that doesn't necessarily mean she harmed Kyron in any way.

"Only (Terri) knows the truth about what happened that day," she said.

What was she obviously being deceitful about? Seems like they left out a portion of the interview question??

This woman must have internet access.

 

[Calliope]

So per this woman's account of that morning we now know:

From day one, Terri claimed the baby wasn't feeling well and she went to FM, and Terri was telling the truth.

We can speculate about why Terri showed the photograph, but we know that Terri was there, with a sick/cranky baby, and that she was acting normally.

Interesting.

It's sounding more and more like Terri told the truth about her whereabouts that morning.

God help us. A pedophile has a 10 week head start on LE and is getting away with murder.

JMO, of course.

 

[Calliope]

Well, I can't read all 16 pages. I saw enough in the first 5 or 6 pages and can pretty much guess what lie in between.

I never knew what to think in this case. It seemed like Terri must have done something to Kyron. I never saw any evidence that would convict, however.

Now I have a strong, sinking feeling that LE has been barking up the wrong tree for the last 10 weeks.