KOIN 08.13.2010; interview with gj witness who met Terri the day Kyron disappeared

[daisy7]

My opinion is so that she would have a better chance of running into people she knew.

A few things about this are sitting weird with me. First off, there are not too many medications one can buy for a toddler that are over-the-counter - Tylenol, ibuprofen, Benadryl, gum/tooth analgesic, saline nose drops, maybe something for the ears, but they stopped selling cough/cold medicines for children recently. Those medications can be found pretty much anywhere. Heck, even convenience stores sell them.

Secondly, the picture showing. Now, I'm not a picture-showing mom, especially to casual acquaintances. Maybe some moms are? But, even so, she had a sick child with her. It seems in a fly-by, quick stop store interaction with someone, just a mere mention of the project would be chit-chat enough. I imagine she would have had to go into her purse to retrieve the camera and then go through the pix to get to the correct one to show off? That just seems so awkward and clumsy in the middle of a store.

I'm not a real social butterfly, so maybe others can help me out here. Do you show off pictures of your kids when you see a friend in a store? Have you? I'm trying to give Terri the benefit of the doubt - is that possible?

Respectfully, BBM. Yes, I do if I have my camera with me and I have something new that happened with my boys that I want to show off :blushing:. I have 4 DS and I recently ran into my daycare director at Wally World. We must have chatted for at least a half hour. And, I did show her the pics. of my oldest son's graduation from 5th grade. Another time, I ran into a parent and chatted with her and showed her the pics. of my youngest 2 DS from baseball opening day. Can you tell I'm a proud momma? LOL

On the medicine topic, I can't tell you how many times I've gone looking for Motrin, etc. and all they have is cherry flavor. The boys HATE it, they about throw up when they take it, so I just don't buy it -- I go to other stores looking for grape or better yet, bubble gum flavor

 

[Emeralgem]

It's sounding more and more like Terri told the truth about her whereabouts that morning.

God help us. A pedophile has a 10 week head start on LE and is getting away with murder.
JMO, of course.

There is absolutely no proof a pedophile is involved and is getting away with murder.. And there is absolutely no proof TMH is not involved even IF there are some truthful events woven into her story..JMO, of course..

 

[freefallzzzz]

This woman must have internet access.

Or she watches the local news.
No offense to the local news here, but they grab any story they can get, but
I get really tired of seeing TH's picture associated with almost every story they broadcast (ON AIR) as it does send a certain message.

One station I've noticed for sure, tries to clarify at the end of each "story" that involves TH, that "it's important to remember, TH has not been named a suspect by LE" that's the only one I've ever really noticed doing that..

 

[STEADFAST]

I don't know. If I had just kidnapped my stepson and was on my way to murdering/disposing of him, and knew I only had a couple of hours to complete this deed and clean up all possible evidence before spending an hour at the gym then dropping off my accomplice back at her job then going home to make sure everything looked "normal" as my husband came home early from work... I'd be in a hurry to get the heck out of dodge.

Some people start babbling when they're anxious or feeling guilty.

 

[wondering1]

Well, you seem to be saying that Kaine is lying when he says his relationship with Desiree was over when he began his affair with Terri. I haven't concluded that he was lying myself, because I don't have enough information from either him or Desiree to get a good feel for what exactly happened.

No, I don't think he was lying. I think he had an affair with TH (an *affair* because he was still married at the time), while he was still living at home with his very pg wife. I think the marriage was over at the time to his mind, and that is what he means by saying so. Not that his marriage was technically over -- as in he and DY were already divorced when he started a relationship with TH. jmoo

I don't even know if Terri knew Kaine was still living in the same house as Desiree at that time, or if she knew he was married.

Re the bold, I don't know if she did, either. But I wasn't saying she actively knew. My point was that TH facilitated the divorce, by being available to KH. If she didn't know they were still married, than she is not responsible, but still an unwitting catalyst, imo. The post I was responding to made it sound, imo, like TH was doing DY some sort of favor by being available to take care of kyron. I'm sure DY, or any other person in her situation wouldn't see it that way. That's the notion I was responding to.

But whether it was actually an illness, or choosing to take non-FDA approved drugs, I'm unclear on how Terri had anything to do with either. Do you mean that you think Terri somehow made Desiree sick?

either way, I would say the result, kidney failure, is an illness. But regardless, no, I did not intend to imply that th had anything to do with that.

Here's my sentence:

The only thing TH made possible was for KH to leave DY a single mother without his earning capacity and, apparently, a serious illness

the *serious illness* part was intended to describe DY's condition after KH left -- a single mother with an apparently serious illness. The *th made possible* part of the sentence was intended to refer to the leaving only. I should have put a comma after DY. I can see how you read it the way you did.

She's Kyron's stepparent. Not parent. I don't see it as her responsibility or her job at all to attend any of his events . . .Do you see some parental inadequacies in them?

Can you clarify if I'm misunderstanding your post in this regard?

No, you are not misunderstanding. As a sah stepparent, it was her responsibility, in my very strong opinion, to take care of Kyron's needs when he was in her care and his bio parents were working, including attending his school events. Where do her responsibilities end wrt to a stepchild in her care. Did she not have to feed Ky, either? I'd love to hear that conversation between a sah stepparent and her spouse.

"Honey, I love you, but your child by a previous marriage. not so much So thank you very much for working hard to provide for me and *my* bio child, we really appreciate it. But, just so you know, I won't be doing jack to take care of yours. That's your responsibility. Oh, and by the way, can you please make sure to put a check in the mail for the car payment for the Mustang and my gym membership fee? And also, J needed football gear this week, so I put it on the card"

And even if *I* agreed. TH, by all accounts, did not. She appeared to be the model parent to kyron and did assume the role of *mom.* So no matter what I think, or you think, th expected to be at the science fair -- as she should have, imo.

And yes, I do feel that KH and DY had some parenting inadequacies. We all do. The extent of those inadequacies is unknown to us for now. However, I don't think that one of those inadequacies was to fail to attend the science fair under the circumstances. jmoo

 

[Calliope]

There is absolutely no proof a pedophile is involved and is getting away with murder.. And there is absolutely no proof TMH is not involved even IF there are some truthful events woven into her story..JMO, of course..

Sorry. I was admittedly on the fence, but ready to hop down on *your* side, simply awaiting evidence that would show me they could convict her.

More and more, I'm seeing just the opposite.

IMO Kyron is dead. Even if it was Terri, I don't believe he'd still be alive.

Her story is being proven to be true.

That leaves a stranger abduction. By that I mean 'not family', not that Kyron hadn't been somehow peripherally acquainted with this person. Which, IMO, would be a pedophile.

I suppose you could be right; it could be someone who hated and wanted to hurt one of the parents for some reason, rather than a predator.

At this point, if Terri IS involved, it's that she brought someone into their lives who harmed Kyron.

I do not think she was directly involved, nor do I think she orchestrated any harm to Kyron.

I could be wrong, of course. I may find in the coming days or weeks that I've changed my mind---again. But as of now, while I'm still on the fence, one foot has been firmly planted on the "terri is innocent" side.

 

[Calliope]

Some people start babbling when they're anxious or feeling guilty.

Did this woman describe her as "babbling" ? That her conversation seemed forced or tense?

If there's one thing we do know about Terri, she likes to talk.

Funny.

Desiree said Terri was acting suspicious because she WASN'T "babbling" in her emails.

 

[Calliope]

Or she watches the local news.
No offense to the local news here, but they grab any story they can get, but
I get really tired of seeing TH's picture associated with almost every story they broadcast (ON AIR) as it does send a certain message.

One station I've noticed for sure, tries to clarify at the end of each "story" that involves TH, that "it's important to remember, TH has not been named a suspect by LE" that's the only one I've ever really noticed doing that..

Yeah, that's kind of a 'wink wink' moment for sure.

 

[Calliope]

There is absolutely no proof a pedophile is involved and is getting away with murder.. And there is absolutely no proof TMH is not involved even IF there are some truthful events woven into her story..JMO, of course..

Oh yeah.

I'm not looking for Terri to prove she WASN'T involved. I'm looking for LE to prove that she WAS.

That's how it works.

 

[STEADFAST]

Did this woman describe her as "babbling" ? That her conversation seemed forced or tense?

If there's one thing we do know about Terri, she likes to talk.

Funny.

Desiree said Terri was acting suspicious because she WASN'T "babbling" in her emails.

According to this woman, Terri was not in the habit of talking to her. Often people who are guilty or anxious say way too much, not necessarily in a tense way, but they just go on and on, explaining too much.

 

[Calliope]

According to this woman, Terri was not in the habit of talking to her. Often people who are guilty or anxious say way too much, not necessarily in a tense way, but they just go on and on, explaining too much.

I don't see that in the article. I've been awake since 4 pm yesterday, so I read it twice and still didn't see that comment.

But there was this:

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.

 

[STEADFAST]

Oh yeah.

I'm not looking for Terri to prove she WASN'T involved. I'm looking for LE to prove that she WAS.

That's how it works. bbm

Me, too!

Whoever did something to Kyron, it's going to be up to LE to prove they did it, even if it's a pedophile.

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Some people start babbling when they're anxious or feeling guilty.

or are trying to establish a timeline by going out of their way to talk to an acquaintance who they normally do not chatter with beyond the usual "hello".

 

[BeanE]

No, I don't think he was lying. I think he had an affair with TH (an *affair* because he was still married at the time), while he was still living at home with his very pg wife. I think the marriage was over at the time to his mind, and that is what he means by saying so. Not that his marriage was technically over -- as in he and DY were already divorced when he started a relationship with TH. jmoo



Re the bold, I don't know if she did, either. But I wasn't saying she actively knew. My point was that TH facilitated the divorce, by being available to KH. If she didn't know they were still married, than she is not responsible, but still an unwitting catalyst, imo. The post I was responding to made it sound, imo, like TH was doing DY some sort of favor by being available to take care of kyron. I'm sure DY, or any other person in her situation wouldn't see it that way. That's the notion I was responding to.




either way, I would say the result, kidney failure, is an illness. But regardless, no, I did not intend to imply that th had anything to do with that.

Here's my sentence:

The only thing TH made possible was for KH to leave DY a single mother without his earning capacity and, apparently, a serious illness

the *serious illness* part was intended to describe DY's condition after KH left -- a single mother with an apparently serious illness. The *th made possible* part of the sentence was intended to refer to the leaving only. I should have put a comma after DY. I can see how you read it the way you did.



No, you are not misunderstanding. As a sah stepparent, it was her responsibility, in my very strong opinion, to take care of Kyron's needs when he was in her care and his bio parents were working, including attending his school events. Where do her responsibilities end wrt to a stepchild in her care. Did she not have to feed Ky, either? I'd love to hear that conversation between a sah stepparent and her spouse.

"Honey, I love you, but your child by a previous marriage. not so much So thank you very much for working hard to provide for me and *my* bio child, we really appreciate it. But, just so you know, I won't be doing jack to take care of yours. That's your responsibility. Oh, and by the way, can you please make sure to put a check in the mail for the car payment for the Mustang and my gym membership fee? And also, J needed football gear this week, so I put it on the card"

And even if *I* agreed. TH, by all accounts, did not. She appeared to be the model parent to kyron and did assume the role of *mom.* So no matter what I think, or you think, th expected to be at the science fair -- as she should have, imo.

And yes, I do feel that KH and DY had some parenting inadequacies. We all do. The extent of those inadequacies is unknown to us for now. However, I don't think that one of those inadequacies was to fail to attend the science fair under the circumstances. jmoo

Thank you so much for clarifying, wondering. I understand now where you're coming from.

 

[wondering1]

According to this woman, Terri was not in the habit of talking to her. Often people who are guilty or anxious say way too much, not necessarily in a tense way, but they just go on and on, explaining too much.

umm....yeah, that would be me :blushing: I would be a prosecutor's dream come true lol

I did it just last night. My son was playing at a neighbor's and they invited him to stay for dinner. My guilt over not being able to say "thanks, but his dinner is waiting at home" (b/c it wasn't!) launched me into a 10-minute explanation about why I didn't fix dinner yesterday. And I actually had a perfectly acceptable reason, so it's not like I had a real reason to feel guilty and try to cover it up. I can't imagine how long I might have carried on, or what I might have said, if the reason I didn't fix dinner was b/c I was busy disappearing my daughter!

 

[BeanE]

Sorry. I was admittedly on the fence, but ready to hop down on *your* side, simply awaiting evidence that would show me they could convict her.

More and more, I'm seeing just the opposite.

IMO Kyron is dead. Even if it was Terri, I don't believe he'd still be alive.

Her story is being proven to be true.

That leaves a stranger abduction. By that I mean 'not family', not that Kyron hadn't been somehow peripherally acquainted with this person. Which, IMO, would be a pedophile.

I suppose you could be right; it could be someone who hated and wanted to hurt one of the parents for some reason, rather than a predator.

At this point, if Terri IS involved, it's that she brought someone into their lives who harmed Kyron.

I do not think she was directly involved, nor do I think she orchestrated any harm to Kyron.

I could be wrong, of course. I may find in the coming days or weeks that I've changed my mind---again. But as of now, while I'm still on the fence, one foot has been firmly planted on the "terri is innocent" side.

I've got a foot planted right next to yours, Calliope, and for the same reasons.

I was fairly sure that Terri's alibi was going to be proven to be false in large part. To see it be proven, piece by piece, that she was telling the truth, is very revealing on several levels, and bringing more peripheral stuff into question.

What in God's name happened to Kyron, and who in God's name did it to him?

 

[IRule254]

Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but if I went to one store and they did not have the medicine I was looking for, the last thing I would do is go to the SAME store in a different location for the product. I would visit another store--
Walgreen's, Target, Safeway--all have good pharmacies, and there was bound to be of those closer th the other FM. This seems odd to me--unless she was really into her FM card, or, perhaps, was meeting someone at the parking lot of the farther Fred Meyer?

absolutely!

Any experienced mom knows that the ONLY reason you buy medicine at the grocery store (with the seriously inflated prices and general lack of good selection) is if you are already there and don't want to make an extra trip to a drugstore.

Of course, I don't know the area that well, so not sure if there was a CVS/Walgreens...whatever else nearby.

the difference- grocery stores have large parking lots and pharmacies have smaller lots. MOO.

 

[Kimster]

This thread is closed for a bit while those who are wanting to discuss TH's possible innocence look for that thread. This one is totally off topic.

This thread is about the interview and only the interview.

 

[debirlfan]

absolutely!

Any experienced mom knows that the ONLY reason you buy medicine at the grocery store (with the seriously inflated prices and general lack of good selection) is if you are already there and don't want to make an extra trip to a drugstore.

Of course, I don't know the area that well, so not sure if there was a CVS/Walgreens...whatever else nearby.

the difference- grocery stores have large parking lots and pharmacies have smaller lots. MOO.

There's been speculation that the baby was teething. Perhaps TH had found one specific formula of gel (or whatever) that worked really well - and it happened to be the store brand. (Someone awhile back thought that the store carried some herbal preparations? That might be a possibility.) If you know something works and perhaps other things you've tried don't - you go out of your way/spend a little extra.

 

[tragco]

Thank you for the viewpoints I have read thus far.

I find this encounter to support Terri's story. The Gym worker says she had already been told the baby was sick the day before. A proud stepmom who had just come back from seeing her stepson's project would show it to someone, likely. At least I would.

Terri was chatty. Well, a stay at home mom needs interaction with adults, especially if she was not getting much interaction from the other adult at home (Kaine is a lovely, caring, grieving father. It is possible he's just not the type to get very involved in her day).

She was seen with her baby and seemed normal. I don't see why showing the picture was suspicious. I don't see why taking her time was suspicious.. if she had a plan to carry out, she'd not take time to chat IMO. Especially if Kyron, dear heart, was in the truck.

I would be very worried if I had a stop and chat and it was considered incriminating. But I understand that if taken into context with other information... whether released by LE or just media or family... it could be considered so.