KOIN 08.13.2010; interview with gj witness who met Terri the day Kyron disappeared

[human]

^^^^ Actually Yellow, I would check my receipt if my child went missing. I would want to know where I was and how I messed up. Regardless of LE questioning. The emails are partial bits, we do not have all, only enough to keep the local news and tabloids sensationalizing and getting internet hits, and dollars from news paper boxes. All a bunch of speculation and dramatization.

and it's a good thing as it keeps Kyron's name out there so he doesn't become one of the forgotten missing.

As much as it not pleasant, people have short attention spans and jump to the next sensation.

So this sensationalism keeps the interest up.

Tony told everyone to know that their lives would be scrutinized to the max.

 

[Codger]

I agree with this also.

Can we also take from this that DeeDee couldn't have been in the truck (possibly watching Ky) at that time too?

Andrea said that she was at borders before 10, so she saw Terri before 10...that she thinks it was 9:30-10...

DeeDee was last accounted for at her job at 9:45 right?

How far is it from this FMs to where DeeDee was that day?

bbm - We know DDS's vehicle was at work all day, but she is unaccounted for 10ish - 1ish. However, I haven't seen a report with any1 saying they saw HER at any specific time? Does someone know, if any1 has claimed they saw her arrive to work at __time or she was weeding at ___ or anything like that?
I don't see in the interview how it places anyone in the truck, or that the truck was empty. TH bumped into AL inside the store it sounded to me. jmo

 

[BringKyronHome]

Also, don't forget that LE was likely leaning on her HARD as the last person to have seen him. They didn't get the chance to interview parents/students until that Sunday. Between Friday afternoon and the time they completed filtering all the interview information, their best lead was her (and potentially still is). I'm sure it was beyond clear to her that she was being singled out.

Plus the social media had gone nuts by then.

Plus, absent of all else, put yourself in her shoes...wouldn't you be scared out of your mind knowing that #1 something you did could have compromised a child that you were trusted to care for? #2 the community, the bio-parents, and LE were scruntinizing you?

Then also consider that those e-mails are likely edited so that we don't get the benefit of the entire conversation. Chances are there was some back & forth about the idea that "people" were considering many possibilities, or her fear about that.

JMO

 

[Solstice Canyon]

From what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong here!), Terri visits the first FM and checks out with her receipt at 9:12am. She presumably purchased something other than some type of medication (OTC or otherwise), since that is her explanation for visiting the second FM location. At the second location, AL is able to place her there, but there is no receipt -- ?

So, if this much is true, what was purchased at the first location? Was it Starbucks? And if she visited the second location to find the medication that was unavailable at FM #1, then where is a receipt from that store? Were they supposedly out of this med as well?

If asked & answered elsewhere already, my apologies in advance!

 

[BringKyronHome]

There is absolutely no proof a pedophile is involved and is getting away with murder.. And there is absolutely no proof TMH is not involved even IF there are some truthful events woven into her story..JMO, of course..

Also, there is no proof that a pedophile is NOT involved and there is no proof that TMH IS involved.

Seems as though the only proof that LE has (and is sharing) is that Terri may not be the most mature 40-something year old in Portland.

 

[21merc7]

From what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong here!), Terri visits the first FM and checks out with her receipt at 9:12am. She presumably purchased something other than some type of medication (OTC or otherwise), since that is her explanation for visiting the second FM location. At the second location, AL is able to place her there, but there is no receipt -- ?

So, if this much is true, what was purchased at the first location? Was it Starbucks? And if she visited the second location to find the medication that was unavailable at FM #1, then where is a receipt from that store? Were they supposedly out of this med as well?

If asked & answered elsewhere already, my apologies in advance!

Soltice;

We do not know what was purchased. LE most likely does. The medicine, as a kind poster pointed out if OTC, may have been recalled. That same poster looked for it and none was stocked. If TH bought anything incriminating LE is on it, they are not telling us what is on that receipt. As far as I know, I could be wrong, I can't keep up anymore, lol.

 

[matou]

here is a quick map
FM on Imbrie is C
FM on Walker Rd is B
Gym is D
and the Border's (closest one in area) is A

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...526795,-122.853241&spn=0.065543,0.136471&z=13

I take the Evergreen Rd route to get from the Imbrie FM to Walker Rd, but google put HWY 26 to return, you can go either way

Hi FFZ! I haven't gotten through everything yet and I was wondering if you could explain the significance of the Border's bookstore. Did Terri go there? Was her vehicle spotted there? TIA

 

[BringKyronHome]

bbm - We know DDS's vehicle was at work all day, but she is unaccounted for 10ish - 1ish. However, I haven't seen a report with any1 saying they saw HER at any specific time? Does someone know, if any1 has claimed they saw her arrive to work at __time or she was weeding at ___ or anything like that?
I don't see in the interview how it places anyone in the truck, or that the truck was empty. TH bumped into AL inside the store it sounded to me. jmo

I'll have to find a quote...my recollection is that other people made an effort to locate her at about 11 and could not. But that she could have been gone earlier, as the last time she had been accounted for was at 9:45. So now her missing window was changed to about 10-1 versus the original (11:15-1???).

I'm not good at finding these things, but I'll try to find it.

 

[21merc7]

I am very curious about this as it was said that her bank records did not match her purchases and her cell phone pings didn't match her story.

LE has known about these witnesses that saw her from practically day 1.

This info is being leaked now. Why is that?

I wonder if LE is talking about June 3 with issues of her story not matching things.

And of course, they are wondering if a second of third person is involved as well.

My feet have never moved. I see nothing yet, I see possible stranger. 2 or 3 people just to help TH, well, it seems too far, too many involved, nerves, issues, why?, speaking others about it, but I have been wrong before. 2 or 3 people quickly and unrelated to Kyron, yep, just that fast. No planning, just spur capture, and never mind the rest, it is painful. Too clean a cut. Looking for the squeaky wheels.

 

[SurfieTX]

From what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong here!), Terri visits the first FM and checks out with her receipt at 9:12am. She presumably purchased something other than some type of medication (OTC or otherwise), since that is her explanation for visiting the second FM location. At the second location, AL is able to place her there, but there is no receipt -- ?

So, if this much is true, what was purchased at the first location? Was it Starbucks? And if she visited the second location to find the medication that was unavailable at FM #1, then where is a receipt from that store? Were they supposedly out of this med as well?

If asked & answered elsewhere already, my apologies in advance!

AFAIK, you are correct. Yes, receipt, but what for? We don't know. I think the Starbucks was a different location. I don't remember, to tell the truth. No mention of a receipt from second FM, but testimony from AL that she was there.

If we are to assume that Terri was in alibi-setting-up mode, my guess would be that at the first FM, she did not see anyone she knew - friends, workers or otherwise. Therefore, it was necessary to get a receipt for something. Then to further bolster said alibi, go to another store to find someone to talk to or get another receipt. As she found AL, there was no need for the receipt as AL saw her without Kyron and with baby K.

 

[wondering1]

bbm - We know DDS's vehicle was at work all day, but she is unaccounted for 10ish - 1ish. However, I haven't seen a report with any1 saying they saw HER at any specific time? Does someone know, if any1 has claimed they saw her arrive to work at __time or she was weeding at ___ or anything like that?I don't see in the interview how it places anyone in the truck, or that the truck was empty. TH bumped into AL inside the store it sounded to me. jmo

Not that I know of. And I've been keeping my eyes open for that info. If she was with TH that morning, she would have had to have spent practically no time at the home prior to 1 pm. I know here, at least, landscapers start VERY early. But that may be just because it's so stinkin' hot. So maybe she got there at like 7:00 and left somtime around 8 or 8:15, idk. Then there's her attorney's statement that she was *home all day.* Frankly, I think he misspoke and meant at *the* home all day b/c I don't think there's any legitimate question that she was there at some point.

The other thing I want to know is what the heck she said to the HO and her co-workers when she returned. What was her explanation and is it verifiable. I'm sure LE knows.

 

[Emeralgem]

Also, there is no proof that a pedophile is NOT involved and there is no proof that TMH IS involved.

Seems as though the only proof that LE has (and is sharing) is that Terri may not be the most mature 40-something year old in Portland.

In reference to myself and I suspect LE too, her lack of maturity at the age of 40 is the least of concern.... It's her sinister actions that are of concern...JMHOOTS

 

[1Chump]

whoop der it is:

"During this investigation Terri Horman has been cooperative and there have been other times she has not," the sheriff's office said. "We cannot speak to specifics regarding this issue.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...ly-pressuring-terri-hormans/story?id=11243557

IMO, you have to look at the question to understand the answer.

"Weeks ago you said Terri Horman has been cooperating - is that still true? Kaine and Desiree have said otherwise. "

IMO, it was only when the Sheriffs were forced to publically contradict the parents that they threw in the "other times she is not" but NEVER clarified what times those were.

 

[BringKyronHome]

In reference to myself and I suspect LE too her lack of maturity at the age of 40 is the least of concern.... It's her sinister actions that are of concern...JMHOOTS

And those would be...

 

[eyes4crime]

Soltice;

We do not know what was purchased. LE most likely does. The medicine, as a kind poster pointed out if OTC, may have been recalled. That same poster looked for it and none was stocked. If TH bought anything incriminating LE is on it, they are not telling us what is on that receipt. As far as I know, I could be wrong, I can't keep up anymore, lol.

The generous person who transcribed the long video showed that Terri was 'looking' for medicine for baby girl. That looking part would rule out a prescription...imo.

If a large chain such as FM is out of an OTC product LE can easily verify. FM records would indicate an outage and a reorder. Store personal/accounting could verify for LE whatever they need to know. moo

If I remember correctly, the baby meds recalled were the trade names such as Benadryl/Tylenol/Motrin, the generics should have been in stock, unless sold out due to panic by moms. That also is easily verifiable for LE. moo

Seems to me everything Terri did that morning, except taking baby girl on a car ride, can be verified. moo

 

[BringKyronHome]

IMO, you have to look at the question to understand the answer.

"Weeks ago you said Terri Horman has been cooperating - is that still true? Kaine and Desiree have said otherwise. "

IMO, it was only when the Sheriffs were forced to publically contradict the parents that they threw in the "other times she is not" but NEVER clarified what times those were.

I agree.

I also think it's easy to suggest that walking out of a 6 hour interrogation would be to Terri...cooperating, afterall she voluntarily subjected herself to it.

But to LE, they likely felt like they weren't done with her.

I believe this is the time that Kaine mentions she walked out before being hooked up to the machine. And the time that Finster mentions that Terri broke down and walked out. And the time that MC says she was grilled for 6 hours about 1 question.

I can see how LE may, and K&D would definately consider this uncooperative. Whether there are additional times, we don't know. But you are right, LE has consistently, up until she lawyered up, said she was cooperating.

Considering the lawyer now, certainly LE would see her as less than cooperative, since her lawyer is liekly protecting her.

But none of this should suggest that she hasn't actually done all that they asked. What is likely NOT happening is these 6 hour interrogations.

And who knows if there IS actually anything more for her to tell.

I bet that 6 hour interrogation was all about the window of time she spent driving around. After 6 hours what else is there to say?

And if I were her, yep, I'd be pretty nervous about going back to actually be hooked up for that poly too. Certainly she did, eventually, but I get her reluctance too.

 

[Emeralgem]

And those would be...

Numerous..

 

[BringKyronHome]

The generous person who transcribed the long video showed that Terri was 'looking' for medicine for baby girl. That looking part would rule out a prescription...imo.

If a large chain such as FM is out of an OTC product LE can easily verify. FM records would indicate an outage and a reorder. Store personal/accounting could verify for LE whatever they need to know. moo

If I remember correctly, the baby meds recalled were the trade names such as Benadryl/Tylenol/Motrin, the generics should have been in stock, unless sold out due to panic by moms. That also is easily verifiable for LE. moo

Seems to me everything Terri did that morning, except taking baby girl on a car ride, can be verified. moo

You have no idea what meds she was looking for. It may have been for something unusual. I spent a good deal of time searching out organic type meds for my kids. Most of them I found at Whole Foods, but I would occationally stumble over 1 or 2 at random other stores too. Knowing that I would travel specifically to those stores when I needed them. And coincidently one was for eardrops. My eldest was allergic to antibiotics, but this helped relieve the pain for him. Another was for collic.

Not suggesting that this is what was happening, but with all the benadryl/tylenol/motrin crap that's gone on...my youngest wasn't allowed to have any of it...per her PEDIATRICIAN. So, I'm inclined to think that is not what she was looking for. They are no longer recommending any of these products for children under 2.

 

[Codger]

The moment I saw her email where she stated she had a receipt proving she was "checking out at FM 7 miles away at 9:12" -- it screamed alibi making. The wording was odd. The statement itself was odd. Nobody casually talks like that to a friend. Not to mention it seems impossible for her to have been checking out at 9:12, according to her timeline.

I guarantee the first FM had whatever otc med she was looking for - or at least something similar enough - so her going to the second one is hinky. And, of course her whole encounter with AL makes it even moreso.

Sure would like a peek at those receipts. Odd she notes 9:12, 7 miles, at the first stop. 2nd stop, no details, receipt comment? Maybe editing for media release. The piles yet to come will likely change the context of the bits we've seen, frust-er-ating.

If she had to go to a 2nd FM for a necessity, what did she buy at the 1st and why? That's what stinks to me - on a mission for medicine, down the aisle, argh, out of stock, head somewhere else, no wait! let's check out twice! Wouldn't 2nd FM have whatever she bought at the 1st? Makes no sense to me, but I despise shopping, if 1st FM was out, pffffft not wasting my time or $, moving along. It just seems 1st stop - timestamp, 2nd - fishing for a reliable witness, maybe there wasn't any1 she knew by name at the 1st. Back n forth I go, too many variables of interpretation.

I believe part of this GJ is to flesh out her version of events. IF she's good at spin, then I think most of what she said will check out, like this lady seeing her at the time TH gave. Wonder if she told LE, well I saw AL at FM when K & were shopping. Truth within lies. She was at the stores, she was at the gym, she probably was in the area she claims to have been driving around, but she might have other motivations than her given fussy baby scenario. I hope that makes some sense, struggling to articulate my thought here, caffeine refill needed. jmo

ETA - I see NOW this has already been said much better than my garble, sorry! bringing up the rear

 

[eyes4crime]

What could Terri have done that morning so she wouldn't be seen as guilty?

If Terri took baby girl home and put her down for a nap - would people say she made herself invisible so her whereabouts couldn't be verified??

If she went shopping for a dress rather than medicine for baby girl - would people be saying she was arrogant and self centered because she left Kyron at school to look for a dress?

If Terri picked up some groceries and stopped for some lunch - wouldn't people be saying she was selfish, and an uncaring mother.

Right now her morning seems pretty hectic, running here and there, looking for a medicine to sooth baby girl, going to an Expo, chatting with an acquaintance from her gym, showing Kyron's picture, taking baby girl for a soothing ride, Starbucks, the gym...please folks, what could she have done, where could she have gone, how should she have spent her morning so you wouldn't be looking at her as a psychopathic murderer? I'm wondering. all just my opinions and stuff like that