GUILTY KS - Alicia DeBolt, 14, Great Bend, 21 August 2010 - #3

[hollyblue]

New info in the case will be slow coming between now and October...so a good time to go back, revue and maybe even pick up things we may have missed in the beginning. We can hope that all the articles and videos may be availble down the line, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Just my 2 cents on sleuthing the family. As with any missing person case, the normal precedure is to look at the people that have the closest relationship to them..husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, business partner, etc. In a missing child's case, someone of AD's age it makes sense to look at her peers, but it's logical to look at the family dynamics also to see if there may be factors that might have lead to a runaway. Most violent crimes are committed by someone who knew or had contact with the victim. You can look at the family without making judgement, just what the facts may point to. Especially younger children these days...and how many "disappeared" by the hands of their own mother, father or both. JMOO.

 

[anyoldtime48]

New info in the case will be slow coming between now and October...so a good time to go back, revue and maybe even pick up things we may have missed in the beginning. We can hope that all the articles and videos may be availble down the line, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Just my 2 cents on sleuthing the family. As with any missing person case, the normal precedure is to look at the people that have the closest relationship to them..husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, business partner, etc. In a missing child's case, someone of AD's age it makes sense to look at her peers, but it's logical to look at the family dynamics also to see if there may be factors that might have lead to a runaway. Most violent crimes are committed by someone who knew or had contact with the victim. You can look at the family without making judgement, just what the facts may point to. Especially younger children these days...and how many "disappeared" by the hands of their own mother, father or both. JMOO.

At this juncture I am all for leaving the family alone as we now know AD was not a runaway. Her family had no direct involvement in her murder. Murder charges have been filed against someone who wasn't really in their circle, except that AD appears to have been in contact with AJL, and maybe on a regular basis, which I would HOPE her family had no clue about. Even without knowing what they/we now know about AJL, kid had no business associating with him for any valid reason that we are aware of.

The facts point to somebody outside the family having committed this murder, so I'd love to give it a rest. This is a public forum, and they have plenty enough to deal with. I may not agree with the mom's decisions regarding who Alicia WAS knowingly allowed to associate with and being kept on what appears to be way too loose a rein for a 14 yr old, but if she hasn't come to that conclusion herself, then it's just continuing to beat a dead horse.

AJL is the one up on charges. Have we really missed anything? Sure. All the info that LE has. Some of which is contained in warrants -- to date none of which the media has released. They had enough to obtain Murder 1 and criminal sodomy charges against the village idiot about as quickly as can be expected without finding him standing over AD's body holding a lighter, and immediately offering up a confession.

We don't even know if they managed to smoke any DNA tests through at record speed and have those results. Might all be shoe leather and direct evidence beyond the autopsy and basic forensics that got LE to this point. Whatever it was, they had enough to press charges, and I'm sure there is still much more to float in from the labs.

Yup, sure would love to know what is in those search warrants.

 

[hollyblue]

I agree it's time to back off from the family since AL's arrest. I'd just like confirmation on how she came to be at that BD party. If it was indeed thru some 19 yr old, or if the father's gf was a friend of the BD girl. I'm thinking the B's have been in that area for some time and the families may have known each other. But I guess we won't find out until much later down the road.

I'd like to see the warrants and the affidavit for them too. JMO, but AL left way too much evidence and didn't seem to care about getting rid of any of it. Guess he thought he did a good enough job, even tho he left it at his place of his employment and then steals a company vehicle. I'm beginning to think he has a touch of masochism about him along with the nonconforming traits he's shown. It truly amazes me that some one could be that non-intelligent to do that. As someone else mentioned, it's almost like it was a set up, but I think he was the only one doing it.
Strange bird. He's the one I'd really like to know the family background on. Too bad southern tx guy didn't expand a little in his comments.

 

[westsidefox64]

I agree it's time to back off from the family since AL's arrest. I'd just like confirmation on how she came to be at that BD party. If it was indeed thru some 19 yr old, or if the father's gf was a friend of the BD girl. I'm thinking the B's have been in that area for some time and the families may have known each other. But I guess we won't find out until much later down the road.

I'd like to see the warrants and the affidavit for them too. JMO, but AL left way too much evidence and didn't seem to care about getting rid of any of it. Guess he thought he did a good enough job, even tho he left it at his place of his employment and then steals a company vehicle. I'm beginning to think he has a touch of masochism about him along with the nonconforming traits he's shown. It truly amazes me that some one could be that non-intelligent to do that. As someone else mentioned, it's almost like it was a set up, but I think he was the only one doing it.
Strange bird. He's the one I'd really like to know the family background on. Too bad southern tx guy didn't expand a little in his comments.

I agree Id like more background on AL. Im kind of suprised I havent seen more about his past other than criminal records. Ive wanted to dig deeper into it but being new to WS im not sure whats allowed for sure.
I also want to get a look at the warrants and planned on a road trip to see what I could find but my car is broke down and not sure when I will get it back.

 

[hollyblue]

I agree Id like more background on AL. Im kind of suprised I havent seen more about his past other than criminal records. Ive wanted to dig deeper into it but being new to WS im not sure whats allowed for sure.
I also want to get a look at the warrants and planned on a road trip to see what I could find but my car is broke down and not sure when I will get it back.

That's a bummer, especially if you live in the country. Hope it has a speedy and cheap recovery.

From my understanding, you can post links and use intials of any relatives or friends, etc. No full names. I left a msg for southern tx guy on the blog...hoping they will answer, but it's been awhile since he posted that info re: AL. Just have to wait on see on that one. Let us know if you find anything. Gonna be kinda hard, since he's spent so much time behind bars and we don't have a personal contact for him. Hopefully the media will put some info out there.

 

[westsidefox64]

That's a bummer, especially if you live in the country. Hope it has a speedy and cheap recovery.

From my understanding, you can post links and use intials of any relatives or friends, etc. No full names. I left a msg for southern tx guy on the blog...hoping they will answer, but it's been awhile since he posted that info re: AL. Just have to wait on see on that one. Let us know if you find anything. Gonna be kinda hard, since he's spent so much time behind bars and we don't have a personal contact for him. Hopefully the media will put some info out there.

I must not be doing something right. Im not finding anything personal on AL anywhere??
Thanks for the well wishes on the car but sounds like a headgaskets out not cheap or easy I have an old beater to get me to town just dont take long trips with it.

 

[anyoldtime48]

That's a bummer, especially if you live in the country. Hope it has a speedy and cheap recovery.

From my understanding, you can post links and use intials of any relatives or friends, etc. No full names. I left a msg for southern tx guy on the blog...hoping they will answer, but it's been awhile since he posted that info re: AL. Just have to wait on see on that one. Let us know if you find anything. Gonna be kinda hard, since he's spent so much time behind bars and we don't have a personal contact for him. Hopefully the media will put some info out there.

Would also love to know who he mailed the hats and pants to in TX. Clearly he still has contacts there. More info probably in the warrants, heavy sigh.

Beyond a known ex wife, and a lot of time in prison, we don't know much about his life there at all, or where he grew up. I'm wildly curious where the supposed NC and IL links to him come from? Appears to have at least a couple siblings, but they aren't people I'm interested in digging into unless one of them were the recipient of the clothing AJL mailed.

So far, only two people who claim to have known him have commented on any stories, at least as far as I can recall. Neither one had anything nice to say about him, and I doubt any who are decent, law-abiding citizens want to have any connection to AJL at all.

 

[hollyblue]

Gag order issued in Alicia DeBolt murder case
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GREAT BEND — A judge has issued a gag order in the case of a Great Bend man accused of killing a 14-year-old girl whose burned body was found at an asphalt plant.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/14/1492421/gag-order-issued-in-alicia-debolt.html#ixzz0zU07vu7v​

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[westsidefox64]

Gag order issued in Alicia DeBolt murder case
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GREAT BEND — A judge has issued a gag order in the case of a Great Bend man accused of killing a 14-year-old girl whose burned body was found at an asphalt plant.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/14/1492421/gag-order-issued-in-alicia-debolt.html#ixzz0zU07vu7v​

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Does anyone know if this seals the warrants and affidavits?
I also have another question not about the case but about WS, I was on a thread for a different case and people just put BUMP, what does this mean or do? someday ill get this sluething thing down Im learning alot from some wonderful people THANKS!!!

 

[anyoldtime48]

Does anyone know if this seals the warrants and affidavits?
I also have another question not about the case but about WS, I was on a thread for a different case and people just put BUMP, what does this mean or do? someday ill get this sluething thing down Im learning alot from some wonderful people THANKS!!!

Gag order only says attorneys, LE etc can't speak about the case outside of the courtroom. It does not seal public documents. Generally it is a different order by a judge to do that, and it is rarely done. If it has been done, has not been reported on. Means media won't get any more answers from Six or anybody else involved in this case before there is something in court that can be reported on.

Since there has been no mention of documents being sealed, presumption is they haven't been. Yet.

 

[anyoldtime48]

Another post here from somebody claiming to have personal experience with AJL. Still nothing earth shattering.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101685488.html?storySection=comments

 

[Kat]

Does anyone know if this seals the warrants and affidavits?
I also have another question not about the case but about WS, I was on a thread for a different case and people just put BUMP, what does this mean or do? someday ill get this sluething thing down Im learning alot from some wonderful people THANKS!!!

Bump

It moves the thread back to the first page or back to the top of the subforum that the thread is located on.

We use it to bump the thread in order to post new info and/or just to bring the thread back up so that it will be viewed again. HTH

 

[westsidefox64]

Another post here from somebody claiming to have personal experience with AJL. Still nothing earth shattering.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101685488.html?storySection=comments

it seems so strange to me that more people dont have anything to say about him. Not that id expect anyone to have anything good to say.

 

[cathdawg]

It is strange that there isn't more feedback re AL. I wonder about the bomb threat to the school in NC, Feb 09, did he have a grudge against the principal? I will find the article as they are wondering if he was also involved with a bomb threat at walmart that closed the store down on 'black fri'.



http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2009/feb/04/texas-man-charged-last-weeks-bomb-threats-ar-1561/

 

[hollyblue]

Gag order only says attorneys, LE etc can't speak about the case outside of the courtroom. It does not seal public documents. Generally it is a different order by a judge to do that, and it is rarely done. If it has been done, has not been reported on. Means media won't get any more answers from Six or anybody else involved in this case before there is something in court that can be reported on.

Since there has been no mention of documents being sealed, presumption is they haven't been. Yet.

This would be the media's feast. Maybe everythings not filed yet? They have 20 days or so to actually file it. I think..not sure of time period. The media would report on it if the file was sealed because everyone, like us, is prolly wanting to know the info too. Sigh...

It is strange that there isn't more feedback re AL. I wonder about the bomb threat to the school in NC, Feb 09, did he have a grudge against the principal? I will find the article as they are wondering if he was also involved with a bomb threat at walmart that closed the store down on 'black fri'.

http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2009/feb/04/texas-man-charged-last-weeks-bomb-threats-ar-1561/

Can't find any relatives in NC...maybe distant or on the mother's side? Possible other marriage?

Wonder how they found out about the package being mailed? Someone saw him or the person on the other end snitched?

 

[westsidefox64]

Just found this not sure of the validity but it says AJL was fired from Venture earlier in the week for theft of company equipment.
http://socyberty.com/crime/mandator...ains-identified-as-14-year-old-alicia-debolt/

 

[cathdawg]

Found this older news article which I had not seen.


http://www.salina.com/news/Story/Great-Bend-hearing-8-30-10-clone


The only belongings sent to Texas were two cowboy hats and a pair of pants, Longoria said, and he had a duffle bag with three pairs of underwear and a pair of pants when he was arrested


So he told the Judge this?

 

[cathdawg]

Just found this not sure of the validity but it says AJL was fired from Venture earlier in the week for theft of company equipment.
http://socyberty.com/crime/mandator...ains-identified-as-14-year-old-alicia-debolt/

Hmmm....so the GF thought he was still working, what do he do all day, I hate to think......

 

[cathdawg]

How did AL make the calls to NC re bomb threats from Jail in TX? It would be long distance are inmates allowed calling cards? Was he incarcerated the whole 7 years or was he on supervised parol? TIA


I know it seems like a dumb question!

 

[cathdawg]

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/offender_phone.htm


FYI , phone use for offenders in TX.