GUILTY KS - Alicia DeBolt, 14, Great Bend, 21 August 2010 - #3

[hollyblue]

Hollyblue - I apologize for not getting back to you regarding the map. I intended to ask my parents about the Venture plant, but due to a very unexpected & sudden death of a close friend (he was 30yo) I've not been online much. I'm just now getting caught back up on reading thru everything from the past week.

I have no idea what to think about this case anymore. I'm glad AL was finally officially charged, but I really have to wonder if he committed the crime alone? I'm just glad he is locked up and can't hurt anyone else. I couldn't believe my eyes during the latest court hearing with his attitude of annoyance with the Judge & AG.

No problem ksnurse, I understand. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend and hope the memories of all your good times lessen your grief. I lost a dear friend not too long ago---she used to borrow my cast iron skillets-- and now everytime I use them I remember her and her darling giggle and laugh, along with a few tears. ((hugs))

I don't think your the only one here that believes there may have been other's involved. I think it was him alone, but am not hearing the local buzz and do wonder why Dawn had her speculations of many perps.

 

[anyoldtime48]

Hollyblue - I apologize for not getting back to you regarding the map. I intended to ask my parents about the Venture plant, but due to a very unexpected & sudden death of a close friend (he was 30yo) I've not been online much. I'm just now getting caught back up on reading thru everything from the past week.

I have no idea what to think about this case anymore. I'm glad AL was finally officially charged, but I really have to wonder if he committed the crime alone? I'm just glad he is locked up and can't hurt anyone else. I couldn't believe my eyes during the latest court hearing with his attitude of annoyance with the Judge & AG.

Oh my. Condolences on the loss of your friend. Prayers and healing light your way.

 

[anyoldtime48]

In roughly 20 minutes, WA state executes a beastly killer barring any last minute stay like he got last year. If that liberal state can do it, I'm lost on why Kansas is so soft on carrying out the death penalty.

If ever a cased deserved it, this is it. Of course we must follow due process and see him convicted first.

 

[wasnt_me]

What I can't figure out, didn't the parents know what kind of car the 19 year old normally drove, if he picked her up on a regular basis, and since they saw the blk suv that night, did it not ring a bell it was a different vehicle? Maybe the 19 yo did not normally pick her up, but she walked to a local hang out place (the park) to meet up with friends and him. ?? I know we did this in HS where I use to live. We had the local hang outs and the normal crusin' route that was a small radius around the town.

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JMO

That's why I was asking how long an SUV like that had been picking her up. If 19 was her ex boyfriend, she might have lied and said that was his new car.

 

[anyoldtime48]

She may have. We have no way of knowing at this point in time.

It's not a judgment or slur against her. She was only 14 and too young legally to consent to a relationship with this man.

He was old enough to know the law (that's not a viable excuse when a man is caught either)

If there was any sort of relationship at all, then IMHO Alicia is completely innocent of any wrongdoing as well.

He may have groomed her over a period of time. It doesn't jibe that he didn't know her, or had just met her.

I think he was "working her" over, in order to pursue a relationship with her, and whether or not that relationship (I hate to call it that it's not a relationship in the classic definition) had progressed beyond him trying to groom her I don't know.

At any rate, even if she did, she doesn't bear any responsibility for what happened to her, even if she had not been murdered, she still could have very well been a victim of this man who wanted to have a sexual act with an underage child.

I don't take offense to your suggestion cathdawg. It might have been so, or might not have been so. JMHO.

I think you hit it on the head. At least I pray she wasn't really involved with him.

The fact he stated she was "18" then "16" and then "14" does not tell me he KNEW for a fact at the moment he killed her that he was aware she was only 14. May have not been aware until after she went missing and it was all over the news. Nor does him saying that support that he ever believed she was 18, or even 16. He lies. Could have gone either way.

But I'm not going to overly speculate that she had ever "agreed" to have sex with him, because it is immaterial.

She suffered and died at the hands of a sick SOB. I don't see sodomy and murder (or murder then sodomy) followed by dumping fuel on the body and lighting it on fire as a "bad ending to a relationship" of any kind.

Maybe a sick SOB who didn't get what he wanted. Or simply a sick SOB out for a thrill killing, and here was this easy target who walked right into his trap.

I surely do wonder what the GF was thinking IF Alicia actually was calling his cell phone regularly for "rides." My guess is the calls are there. Lord, I hope all she really ever did do was call him for transport from point A to B, but I sure see a whole subculture of kids not flying on the right side of the law hanging out in his 'hood. Alcohol he admitted to -- although claiming he didn't serve any to minors among the bunch of "college" kids hanging out there to drink and play ping pong.

Yes, indeedy, I can picture AL standing at his front door checking IDs.

I seriously don't f-ing think so. All those kids aren't going to incriminate themselves for either under age drinking or the drugs that may also have been flowing. He's in jail awaiting trial on capital murder charges, so why should they ever talk?

 

[laura08]

I am going to play the Devil's advocate sort of, does anyone think as I do that Alicia possibly had a sexual relationship going on with AL? It is common knowledge that she had a relationship with a 19yr old, and I am sorry BUT I think sex was part of it. I am not here to Judge as I have Children , old now, but I can see this happening . JMO

I remember in one of Alicias pictures she had what appeared to be a hickey on her neck. It seems like she had a very close realtionship with her mother, at 14 years of age many would hide that. If infact it was a hickey, Not certian it was. I think if a sexual relationship was involved between her and Adam it was because he took advantage of her and manipulated the situation. When I think of his girlfriend he had to have told her many lies and portrayed himself to be something he clearly was not. Alicia was a bright beautiful girl based on everything I have seen and could have grown up to be a doctor or laywer or anything she wanted to be. Such a shame this monster took her life.

 

[wasnt_me]

I was considering that it could have happened kind of like AL said it did.

Maybe at his "wife's" party, he hit on AD because he thought she was 18. after exchanging numbers, he was told that she was 16 and he backed off.

Maybe AD kept calling him, because sometimes that's what teens do, especially if they think someone likes them and they aren't getting a direct no. He could have been declining to meet her, but not turning her down or changing his tone from the flirting he'd done when he thought she was of age, because he was still deciding what he was going to do.

Maybe she didn't even know he was 36. He might have told her that he was in his 20's. I mean, he hung around such young people, and who knows if AD could have figured out that he was that old. I'm the same age as AL, and people are shocked when i tell them how old I am. They usually think I'm in my 20's.

Maybe the "wife" found out that AD was just 14 after she'd seen these text messages and that's when she told AD to stop calling. At that point, the wife could have told AD what AL age was, and maybe then AD backed off on her own. Or they might not have learned her age until the night of the "party" when she disappeared. So far, it's my opinion that the mom didn' t know about AL until someone told her that it was his party. Who told her that? I'm guessing the 19 year old after the mom starting questioning him about her daughter's whereabouts. And I think the first time she met AL is when she told him, for certain, her daughter would NOT be texting him anymore.

It's a lot of speculation, but maybe during the party, his wife went to bed and wasn't interested in him, and he got an itch. He texted AD about the party or get together. He could have said the 19 year old really would pick her up. Maybe AL invited the 19 year old, but he never showed up. AL then picked her up but said the 19 year old was still at the party--even though he wasn't. Or the 19 year old could have actually been there, but left before AD got there.

What wouldn't make sense in a million years to me, is for AD to see a text from the phone number of AL and not know that it was him or someone she knew. I know that she wasn't stupid. So I doubt she would've accepted a party invite from just any phone number that texted her. I wish we could see her phone messages, but he could have texted her and said he was the 19 year old, but he was at AL house for the party, and his own phone wasn't working, just to lure her out there. Or AL could have known that she still liked her ex and lured her there by texting that the 19 year old was at the party. Who knows.

Since the neighbor says he saw AD at the party, and met her, I'm going to say that AL brought her home. Then she kept saying she had to go soon because of her curfew. If the 19 year old wasn't there as expected, then she probably REALLY wanted to go home soon. When it got a little bit later, she probably wanted to call her mom to say when she was coming, but either she didn't have her phone, or AL decided to tell her not to call because he was about to take her home anyway. Then he got her in the car and took her to the plant.

I cant imagine her horror and fear, confusion, everything else, to be trapped in his car, watching him drive her the wrong way. She probably kept telling him that he needed to take her home and she just wanted to go home. she needed to call her mom, etc. I can't imagine...

 

[Kat]

(Snipped respectfully for space and bolded for clarity of my response.)

I cant imagine her horror and fear, confusion, everything else, to be trapped in his car, watching him drive her the wrong way. She probably kept telling him that he needed to take her home and she just wanted to go home. she needed to call her mom, etc. I can't imagine

I agree. She was probably terrified. Panicking, thinking after each assault he would let her go. But he didn't.

At 14, she did not have enough life experience to anticipate what a 36 yr old felon could possibly do to her.

Even if she had had a BF who was 19 yrs old at one time. It didn't give her experience to know what a 36 yr old man would want from her, much less a 36 yr old felon.

Even if he wasn't a felon, I think it speaks to the character of an adult that wishes to engage, or flirt, or to engage in sexual activity with a young teen. But that is JMHO and yes I'm judgemental about it I admit it.

There is only one way to interpret communication between a 14 yr old child and a 36 yr old man---it's about power and control. So is rape, whether it is rape in the traditional sense or sodomy.

I ache for Alicia. She was 14, she had the world by the tail in her own mind and she was getting ready to start high school too. The world was an open book to her, to grow, to learn, to gain life experiences that make us the adults we eventually become after enough time.

It's entirely possible that she had no clue what this 36 yr old, who IMHO is probably closer to her Mom's age than her own had in mind when he spoke to her. It might not have ever occured to her that she couldn't trust this older man.

<sigh> This poor baby, she just never knew. All JMHO.

 

[westsidefox64]

ok im going to quick reply because I dont know how to snip yet!

IMO I think if she was texting him as much as it sounds like she probley was in a (relationship) with him. I remember being 14 and thinking I was IN LOVE with an older man. Im sure he made her feel grown up. I think something had to be said or done to make him snap. Maybe she told him she was pregnant, going to tell his GF about the relationship, going to go to the police if he didnt do something she wanted???? I dont know what happened. I think he was getting sex from her and im sure it was an ego boost for him...We all know he likes attention...I think something had to have happened to make him think he was going to be publically linked to her and he knew with his past it would cause him to be put back in jail. If he thought she was pregnant thats another reason to burn her to get rid of the evidence. I hope im totally off base here! Im just glad they got the sick SOB off the streets as soon as they did. I also think someone somewhere had to know about the 2 of them...14 yr old with a grown man showing interest in her had to talk to someone!!!

 

[cathdawg]

Hmmm, I guess that it is true that another young girl has gone missing in Kansas, I just do not understand why LE isn't involved. Apparently she is mentally challenged, last seen getting into a car with a Hispanic Man and two other Girls.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Bend-Kansas/105527356148480?v=stream

 

[ksnurse]

The 3 girls in GB that were missing have been found safe.

 

[cathdawg]

Thank you ksnurse.

 

[wasnt_me]

It's entirely possible that she had no clue what this 36 yr old, who IMHO is probably closer to her Mom's age than her own had in mind when he spoke to her. It might not have ever occured to her that she couldn't trust this older man.

Yeah, You're right. He was what? 22 when she was born?

 

[Montjoy]

Yeah, You're right. He was what? 22 when he was born?

Probably closer to 0 when he was born.

 

[wasnt_me]

thanks, I meant she, of course. i corrected it.

 

[hollyblue]

I remember in one of Alicias pictures she had what appeared to be a hickey on her neck. It seems like she had a very close realtionship with her mother, at 14 years of age many would hide that. If infact it was a hickey, Not certian it was. I think if a sexual relationship was involved between her and Adam it was because he took advantage of her and manipulated the situation. When I think of his girlfriend he had to have told her many lies and portrayed himself to be something he clearly was not. Alicia was a bright beautiful girl based on everything I have seen and could have grown up to be a doctor or laywer or anything she wanted to be. Such a shame this monster took her life.

I get upset thinking the only thing that may have saved her in hindsight was his plane ticket to stand for the charges in the bomb threat. He'd still be NC. Alicia would be going to cheerleader practice. I'd like the press to find the answers to that.

Looking at his past charges, he really didn't spend any real time incarcerated. It was from a few days to what 18 mos.....not sure, but this last stint was for 7 yrs, and that included the time he spent while being tried. He didn't want to go back again...but I think he just couldn't control himself, nor live in the everyday world. I think he successfully BS'd the gf and that gave him more "umpf" to take on the media. Once he saw no one was buying it, he booked.

There's a reason within him for everything he did and I want to know what that entailed....because his reasoning and ours are not the same. It was just a matter of time, for him, that this would happen. Scary thing is...there are dozens more like him walking the street and it's only by Grace that me or you and your's don't cross their paths.

 

[wasnt_me]

how do I confirm how many registered sex offenders are in and around GB?

 

[anyoldtime48]

how do I confirm how many registered sex offenders are in and around GB?

Link here.

Ignore the name and address blocks and just use city, or zip, or county.

http://www.accesskansas.org/kbi/offender_registry/

 

[wasnt_me]

Thanks. I had read a comment on some board that had said there were 30 sex offenders in that area, so I wanted to verify that. I counted 28, according to the KBI website you gave.

I guess it doesn't matter because AL wasn't on the list, but that's a lot of offenders. If you take into consideration the fact that there are ones not caught running around out there and the size of the town, it's kind of incredible. But I don't know. i'd have to compare it to other cities to know for sure.

 

[westsidefox64]

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/102662469.html

Preliminary hearing set for Nov.18
hearing for motions Oct 21