GUILTY KS - Alicia DeBolt, 14, Great Bend, 21 August 2010 - #3

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Here we go.................."several motions to dismiss were filed"

Defense claims police violated attorney privilege, seeks dismissal in Great Bend murder case

A lawyer for a Kansas man accused of killing a teenage girl wants the case dropped, saying jail officials improperly recorded and listened to a phone call from the suspect to his attorney's office.

http://www.kwch.com/news/sns-ap-ks--kansasteenkilled,0,5963916.story
 
  • #202
Thanks hollyblue and OMG. This AL is a real A hole, he tried to sue while in jail the last time. Did you hear him say during his interview with reporters when pointing the finger at the ex BF of Alicia that "he talked to his Attorney", why the H did he need an atty prior to him being named as a POI? Yes he knows the ropes, he makes me sick to my stomach. Oh well, hopefully the Gang Members in Jail will take care of any more Legal Mishaps and there will be true Justice for Alicia as it seems like he has more rights than she the Victim has.
 
  • #203
I think I am going to go with the theory that AL did have a gathering of sorts that Eve with the 'Boys'. I have not decided as yet whether or not IR or AL picked Alicia up as both have black SUV's. The fact that AL points the finger at IR makes me think that the ex BF did in fact pick her up and took her to AL's for the 'Party' . Now having said this , there were two other Parties that Eve, the one at the Dance and then the Quin? ( Hispanic sweet 15 party in Little Mexico) All reports states that she did not pick her friend up at the Gas Station, however it was never reported that she made it to either of these two Parties. To take it further Alicia was apparently seen at Al's Garage. Why did AL change his story? I am seriously wondering if the other Boys were involved as far as the Rape and they did go to LE and told them what went down. I think perhaps Alicia told a mistruth about the Party to her Mom, most likely she said she was going to the sweet 15 with Ex Hispanic BF but went to AL's. The other part of this Mystery is the time frame, it boggles my mind. Alicia was picked up by either AL or Ex at 11 pm was to be home by Midnight. Do we know what time the Guy saw her at AL's Garage? TIA


If others are involved it would take awhile for their DNA as they are considered Juvies and have not been Criminally charged before(that we know of other than the underage drinking). Now would AL's DNA be on a Criminal data base? He has never been charged prior with any Sexual Acts so...would they would not necessarily have his on file. Hmmm..makes me wonder how they nailed him.

Can you link to where you found that the xbf has a black SUV? TIA

Six, the AG, has stated that he doesn't plan on any other charges being made in her death. If any others were found to be a suspect in a rape of her, they would definitely have filed charges and we would know about it...juvies included.

As far as the DNA on file. I am with the thought that any person who has a felony conviction ...a DNA profile is taken. Not just a sexual offense. Unless it's just a state by state thing. If I am wrong about this....please someone speak up. Guess I should do a little research, huh? :)

AL stated that AD had NEVER been in his (wife's) SUV. If she was, which I'm sure is fact by now, they prolly found her prints, hair, clothing fibers, maybe even her dog's hair by transfer in the vehicle. His tire prints, his shoe prints, etc at the yard site, along with prints on any physical evidence he tried to hide/discard, etc.

I think AL just left to pick her up after texting or calling her with a bunch of BS about a party, and that ? and ????? were going to be there. Maybe he and gf got in a little heated discussion or she "had a headache" kind of thing. We really don't know much, but AL's statements, and I would take that with a mountain range of salt. All we have is what AD told her family, the gf, and the neighbor. He may have it right, or he may have his days mixed up also. No offense intended to this man, but to me he showed a bit of "slowness". If there was a party, we have never seen or heard it mentioned by the gf. Just that he came home dirty that evening from work and he left about 11pm to see a friend and returned around 1:30. Unless she was trying to cover for him, or they left her mentoning it out of the reporting for some reason.

ajmo

I've been going back over the media reporting, and I can't believe the amount of pics, videos, and stories that are no longer available. I have never seen this happen within such a short time period....it hasn't even been a month since the first article on her disappearance.
 
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Thanks hollyblue and yes everything seems to have vanished in to thin air. I will try to find the link re black SUV (ex BF). I know that AL refers to the ex BF having a black Suv but one can't rely on what he says.
 
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I think I am going to go with the theory that AL did have a gathering of sorts that Eve with the 'Boys'. I have not decided as yet whether or not IR or AL picked Alicia up as both have black SUV's. The fact that AL points the finger at IR makes me think that the ex BF did in fact pick her up and took her to AL's for the 'Party' . Now having said this , there were two other Parties that Eve, the one at the Dance and then the Quin? ( Hispanic sweet 15 party in Little Mexico) All reports states that she did not pick her friend up at the Gas Station, however it was never reported that she made it to either of these two Parties. To take it further Alicia was apparently seen at Al's Garage. Why did AL change his story? I am seriously wondering if the other Boys were involved as far as the Rape and they did go to LE and told them what went down. I think perhaps Alicia told a mistruth about the Party to her Mom, most likely she said she was going to the sweet 15 with Ex Hispanic BF but went to AL's. The other part of this Mystery is the time frame, it boggles my mind. Alicia was picked up by either AL or Ex at 11 pm was to be home by Midnight. Do we know what time the Guy saw her at AL's Garage? TIA


If others are involved it would take awhile for their DNA as they are considered Juvies and have not been Criminally charged before(that we know of other than the underage drinking). Now would AL's DNA be on a Criminal data base? He has never been charged prior with any Sexual Acts so...would they would not necessarily have his on file. Hmmm..makes me wonder how they nailed him.

ZERO evidence there was any gang rape, so can we kindly let that rumor go?

1 person in custody and 1 only.

AJL stated the BF or ex BF, whoever he was, drove a red Charger. Moron called it a van (no such animal in any incarnation of the Dodge Charger, 60s, 70s, 80s or current). Everything after that opening goof was pretty much BS to cover his behind, and he failed miserably at that.

That the BF picked up her up was assumed from day 1, no doubt because that is what she told her mother. But whose SUV did they serve warrant on and search? One and one only. AJL's, or more precisely, his GF's.

If LE had gone after any others in that small town, the media would have been all over them like white on rice, just like with AJL. But nobody else talking on camera except the apparently wasted next door neighbor who saw her in his garage that night. The GF's brother now and then, mostly speaking on behalf of his sister. And the girl who gave him a ride to the "plant" so he could rip off a company SUV and split town after mailing off pants and 2 cowboy hats.

If she went to any party at all, it was at AJL's. And since she never showed up at the place she was supposed to meet her friend, logic dictates was indeed AJL who picked her up, NOT the BF, or they would have gone and met/picked up that person as planned.

BF was on and off the radar screen before he was even a blip. Probably because he doesn't drive a dark SUV, at least that we know of. Says he never saw her, and cell records went straight to AJL.

Dumbarse might as well have left a 6-ft wide trail of bread crumbs to his door.

As to claims the supposed BF made about needing a lawyer? He was in trouble with the law over something else right before this, so that could have been why he was complaining about needing one.

Until, and IF charges are filed against anyone else, and the AG stated he anticipated no further charges, unless he was flat lying, there is still one and only one perp here to discuss. The one awaiting trial and in jail on $1.5 million bond.
 
  • #208
Here we go.................."several motions to dismiss were filed"

Defense claims police violated attorney privilege, seeks dismissal in Great Bend murder case

A lawyer for a Kansas man accused of killing a teenage girl wants the case dropped, saying jail officials improperly recorded and listened to a phone call from the suspect to his attorney's office.

http://www.kwch.com/news/sns-ap-ks--kansasteenkilled,0,5963916.story

I hope and pray jail officials did nothing remotely that stupid and risk compromising this case and this is strictly a smoke screen.

One time that gag order is more than a little bothersome.

And not even waiting for the court date for motions. Ugh.

By the way, most of the stories are still there. You just need to search "AL" or "AD" on each media site. Mucho links at each one. I think they just moved stuff, so old links are now 404.

It's a quicker way to line up all the related stories on each site.

NG I don't count. They mess up "facts" on that show left and right on almost every case. Not much beyond entertainment factor! if you like lots! of exclamation points!!! MOO
 
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Thanks hollyblue and yes everything seems to have vanished in to thin air. I will try to find the link re black SUV (ex BF). I know that AL refers to the ex BF having a black Suv but one can't rely on what he says.

Closest I have come to finding a links re: black SUV and 19 BF

There were reports that she was traveling in a black SUV vehicle with a 19-year-old boy, but police would not confirm those details with us.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/category/missing-persons/ and another:


DeBolt was last seen leaving her Great Bend home in a newer model small black SUV on August 21 around eleven in the evening.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-jb-great-bend-body-found,0,6628635.story

Per the video of AL talking about the "group/gang" and the xbf, I'm going to assume that the xbf or one of his friends, (that was involved with the shooting of the man last year and the separate underage drinking article.)
indeed drives a red Dodge of some kind. AL also, specifically made sure he mentioned the guy he was with Saturday: wanted $2,000 to get out of town, was in a gang, had a previous record....yep, he was pointing fingers and lying out his butt. I'm going to further guess he knew he was on his way to blowing town while doing the interview. He had mailed the hats/pants to TX prior, and one article states in fact days before. Did the receipient snitch (karma!) All the BS about the other parties he picked up from others he had talked to and was just trying to piece meal it together for an alibi. He stated the text of her missing was rec'd at 5-6PM on Sunday....even guys there in his garage at the time rec'd it. Per HIM, remember. He mentioned the dance with 25 people who said they saw her and they had videoed the dance. Just trying to point the finger again for LE to buy into and give him a little more get away time. I'd even bet he picked up some alibi material from the questioning he had been through with LE. Once LE showed up for the search...he knew he was in deep doo doo. Maybe whoever he sent the pkg too, or who the "freind" was he was going to go stay with because he was being stressed/aggrevated, was the one HE had actually ask for the 2K to leave town.

Along with all the physical evidence above, forgot to mention the cell/computer info they surely gathered. Ma and Dawn prolly gathered info all day and night Sunday from the friends, gave AL and gf a visit and then proceeded to point the finger, in their eyes at AL.

I think it was AL, himself, but if you think there are more involved, your intitled to your O Cathdawg. That's one of the reasons were here. ;)

AJMO...and did they find her phone?

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front
 
  • #210
I hope and pray jail officials did nothing remotely that stupid and risk compromising this case and this is strictly a smoke screen.

One time that gag order is more than a little bothersome.

And not even waiting for the court date for motions. Ugh.

By the way, most of the stories are still there. You just need to search "AL" or "AD" on each media site. Mucho links at each one. I think they just moved stuff, so old links are now 404.

It's a quicker way to line up all the related stories on each site.

NG I don't count. They mess up "facts" on that show left and right on almost every case. Not much beyond entertainment factor! if you like lots! of exclamation points!!! MOO

What's 404? Archives? One, I think KAKE, I only found three stories..period. Can find very few that are dated 8/26. TIA
 
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BF was on and off the radar screen before he was even a blip. Probably because he doesn't drive a dark SUV, at least that we know of. Says he never saw her, and cell records went straight to AJL..

As to claims the supposed BF made about needing a lawyer? He was in trouble with the law over something else right before this, so that could have been why he was complaining about needing one.

Until, and IF charges are filed against anyone else, and the AG stated he anticipated no further charges, unless he was flat lying, there is still one and only one perp here to discuss. The one awaiting trial and in jail on $1.5 million bond.

Seems the BF was on the radar a little more than he wanted to be, because of his past arrests of aggravated assault and underage drinking. Don't think he wanted to talk too well until they put the grips to him. I think he was talking about a lawyer in this case because it was used in context with his other posts of AD, her family and LE thinking he was involved. He didn't post from the 21st to the 24th, so they may have taken his phone... that he used to post to his FB. JMO, but unless this one gets a head up, I see him continuing to get himself in trouble. One thing, he certainly likes to post pics of himself and the latest of his bad$rse tattoos. LOL

The case and investigation is on going, so I'm not going to say others won't or can't be charged for anything. Obstruction of justice is only one possiblity. imo

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=858895301&v=wall
 
  • #212
What's 404? Archives? One, I think KAKE, I only found three stories..period. Can find very few that are dated 8/26. TIA

404 = "file missing" mean moved elsewhere on the server and not properly linked any longer. Or deleted.

I never paid attention much to KAKE as their "stories" were mostly pitiful 3 or 4 short paragraphs while other outlets, Hutch in particular, have done some legwork and written some real stories. Friggin' comment sections are longer. MOO

So I have no idea what is missing from their site.

GB Trib was different animal. A lot of those went 404 because they switched to an entirely different "new look"/web site in the middle of this, and apparently did not bring all those old stories over. Or made them accessible only with account.

There's more than a full page of links to stories on AL at kansas.com with a search on their site. More than 2 full pages when you search AD (obviously some of those stories will come up on both searches).

KSN has 9 related to "AL". Get more hits in the correct one (not the ballplayer) by putting in quotes. Roughly 17 when doing the same with "AD."

Hutch brings up oodles when you search "AD" via their internal Google search.

KWCH comes up with about 14 searching "AD."

KCTV5 hits on 8. Not a site I've looked at much either since it seems to use AP stories mostly and is KC, so far less "local."

Did I miss any major players? What stories specifically are you looking for? TIA
 
  • #213
AOT, Nothing in particular. Just going down my list and rehashing and comparing stories. I now call Six's PC's blue tie, striped tie and purple tie...to keep myself straight about which PC it is referring too. Just noticed that some stuff was missing. I bookmarked their search page results and a few had diminished.
I deleted the Trib from my list for searches as soon as they went pay per view; although I felt bad that NG came down pretty hard on Dale Hogg on her show. He must not have given her the "inside scoop" she was looking for; hence, the coverage of AD's case on her show has been sparse. OT: Some of her regular talking heads I like to hear their opinions, especiallly Klaus, Brown and the forensic psychologist/lawyer Russell something. I can never remember his last name....but like his insights. Can't forget Dr. Perper either....think his accent is cute! :) lol I never believed in the theory of "keep your enemies closer" IE: Ron Cummings----and this reminded me why. If he would have stayed away from her, he might not have landed his can in the can. Enough OT.
 
  • #214
AOT, Nothing in particular. Just going down my list and rehashing and comparing stories. I now call Six's PC's blue tie, striped tie and purple tie...to keep myself straight about which PC it is referring too. Just noticed that some stuff was missing. I bookmarked their search page results and a few had diminished.
I deleted the Trib from my list for searches as soon as they went pay per view; although I felt bad that NG came down pretty hard on Dale Hogg on her show. He must not have given her the "inside scoop" she was looking for; hence, the coverage of AD's case on her show has been sparse. OT: Some of her regular talking heads I like to hear their opinions, especiallly Klaus, Brown and the forensic psychologist/lawyer Russell something. I can never remember his last name....but like his insights. Can't forget Dr. Perper either....think his accent is cute! :) lol I never believed in the theory of "keep your enemies closer" IE: Ron Cummings----and this reminded me why. If he would have stayed away from her, he might not have landed his can in the can. Enough OT.

Methinks the bookmarks are what gets you in trouble. Great until the weasels move a story and "poof!" looks like no more story as link no longer works. Seems to have been plenty of that on this one. I don't think any stories were deliberately axed, just some got lost in the shuffle, or the link changed when a story was merely updated and for unknown reasons moved to new location on the server (my personal favorite). Lots of web sites, and huge variety in how much they really covered a "story" or if they just pulled from AP.

Why I gave up and just went to their search engines. Voila! all related stories there to pick from. Almost like a candy store.

I like some of NG's guests now and then too, but have seen SO much mistaken info being tossed about that I pretty much leave them in the "talk show" category. Good insights, but to be taken with a grain of salt. The graphics do drive me over the edge though. Not everything is a bombshell :shocked2:OMG:shocked2: moment!

Her heart is in the right place however, so I can watch after 2 or more glasses of vino. But that's just me.

Guess Six does wear ties, huh.
 
  • #215
Here we go.................."several motions to dismiss were filed"

Defense claims police violated attorney privilege, seeks dismissal in Great Bend murder case

A lawyer for a Kansas man accused of killing a teenage girl wants the case dropped, saying jail officials improperly recorded and listened to a phone call from the suspect to his attorney's office.

http://www.kwch.com/news/sns-ap-ks--kansasteenkilled,0,5963916.story

I woke up this morning at 5am rolled over and turned on the tv and staring me in the eye was AJL and this story on the local news. I got up turned on the computer and couldnt find a link. was hoping I was having a bad dream...no such luck! Hubby got up and wanted to go to the casino so I kind of forgot it for the day. Came home to reality...This SOB is gonna pull every string in the book isnt he!!!
 
  • #216
Prosecutors oppose Kan. suspect's move to dismiss

The Kansas Attorney General's office filed a response Thursday arguing the routine recording of the phone call was not an effort to learn defense strategy and such an extreme remedy is unwarranted. Prosecutors noted recordings have since been stopped

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=13168960
 
  • #217
I don't understand why they stopped the recordings if it's routine.
 
  • #218
I don't understand why they stopped the recordings if it's routine.

im not sure where to go to find the proof so if anyone can help with that id appriciate it,also if this is against TOS please delete it.
I believe that its routine to record the phone conversations of prisoners but recording the calls between them and thier lawyers goes against attorney client privalage.
 
  • #219
im not sure where to go to find the proof so if anyone can help with that id appriciate it,also if this is against TOS please delete it.
I believe that its routine to record the phone conversations of prisoners but recording the calls between them and thier lawyers goes against attorney client privalage.

Bingo on the ones with attorneys being privileged. The fact they are stating they have since "stopped" recording suggests to me they indeed knew it was wrong. And perhaps had never been called on it before?

Routine to record conversations from prisons perhaps, but ones between client and attorney are a no-no.

I'm not real clear on what it is you're looking for proof on? If they did indeed record it? Don't think there will be anything to back that up until AJL's attorneys walk into court and make motions for dismissal (etc) and offer up said proof their phone calls were indeed recorded.

Hadn't expected to read this much news on it given the gag order, but I guess the AG's office was allowed a two-sentence response.

Makes me nervous that prison officials "may" have messed this one up.

Even if merely an honest mistake, could be a costly one.
 
  • #220
Bingo on the ones with attorneys being privileged. The fact they are stating they have since "stopped" recording suggests to me they indeed knew it was wrong. And perhaps had never been called on it before?

Routine to record conversations from prisons perhaps, but ones between client and attorney are a no-no.

I'm not real clear on what it is you're looking for proof on? If they did indeed record it? Don't think there will be anything to back that up until AJL's attorneys walk into court and make motions for dismissal (etc) and offer up said proof their phone calls were indeed recorded.

Hadn't expected to read this much news on it given the gag order, but I guess the AG's office was allowed a two-sentence response.

Makes me nervous that prison officials "may" have messed this one up.

Even if merely an honest mistake, could be a costly one.

BBM

I'm guessing they got the info from the court docs since they said the AG had filed a response.
 
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