Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #14 *Arrest*

[DAnthrplgst]

In the interests of sharing something amusing. A Pennsylvania sheriff put out a Wanted poster for Punxsatawny Phil the Groundhog. The rodent is wanted on a charge of Deception.

 

[CndyM]

Been away from the thread for a few days but did get to listen to most of NG. Glad for the publicity for this case but ackkkkk got so frustrated listening to her go on and on about so much personal stuff that wasn't pertinent or IMO very interesting. I kept thinking... just cut to Kim from Missing Pieces so she can lay the details out, then have your specialists pick through in each of their own specialties. Have a psychologist analyze EG and what her likelihood of guilt or where she might have hid the body. This is the first time I have ever listened to her and maybe I'm looking at it too critically. But I was sooooooo looking forward to getting to the meat of these threads in vocal form. Disappointed.

 

[n_6CC]

Makes me mad that she doesn't seem to understand that everyone needs closure. She is so worried about self preservation that she sits there in jail saying nothing. People like her need to rot in jail. Sorry. I am just so fed up. Its been over a month and we have nothing. She knows what happened. Ots time to let it all out and face the consequences. If it were one of my daughters, i would press her til she broke.

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I honestly believe she cares more about what the families think than anything else- she doesn’t care about the public. She wants them to believe she was Mother Teresa to those kids- what breaks a person like that? Good Question.


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[MsMarple]

I don't have anything of value to add to the thread so, I will just overshare in the hopes of winning the not so coveted TMI award by letting you know that this week, I have peed in the weeds and grass more than I have a toilet. You are welcome.

Remember to steer clear of the poison oak!:hanging:

 

[ScarlettLin]

I don't have anything of value to add to the thread so, I will just overshare in the hopes of winning the not so coveted TMI award by letting you know that this week, I have peed in the weeds and grass more than I have a toilet. You are welcome.

[emoji471] [emoji23] you’re awesome Ms Pink!


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[n_6CC]

there have been so many ideas put out here.

what have we NOT thought of?

With our VI’s so quiet, and lack of media coverage, I hope this is a positive thing. Circumstantial evidence can go a long way. But, what I know the families need, is closure. And in the long run, I know a lot of us are trying to find a way to change the system. No matter the outcome, THAT HAS TO CHANGE.


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[n_6CC]

Additionally (rehash, I know):

"She described herself in court documents since August as a stay-at-home mom whose fiance/husband, Jonathan Hernandez, is the “sole financial care taker” and “is away at work most of the time.”


*So, as I've mentioned before, I seeeeeriously wonder if she was banging someone else.

And if so, what does this person know?

Eta: $10 says she's been screwing her dealer. Moo.

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[n_6CC]

Lucas is the first case I've followed from the beginning. To those of you that have been bravely doing this for awhile, I have a question. Providing LE currently has enough evidence to charge her with Lucas's disappearance without his body, how long will they sit on the evidence before they charge her? Or do you think LE & the DA will offer her some type of plea deal just to recover his body? And if they will offer a plea, how much longer (without his body) before they do so? I know cases differ greatly from one another but based on previous, similar situations & your opinion, how will this play out?

My thoughts are that they are holding onto what they have, and hoping his remains are found to put everything together. This evidence will be held until the next hearing, or if she finds someone to bond her out. If she does find someone to bond her out, she will be arrested on the charge they have in their pocket, thus losing the bond money put forward. Lose=Lose situation. After that? Depends on what LE has as evidence against her in the disappearance of Lucas.


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[Paddleboarder]

Been away from the thread for a few days but did get to listen to most of NG. Glad for the publicity for this case but ackkkkk got so frustrated listening to her go on and on about so much personal stuff that wasn't pertinent or IMO very interesting. I kept thinking... just cut to Kim from Missing Pieces so she can lay the details out, then have your specialists pick through in each of their own specialties. Have a psychologist analyze EG and what her likelihood of guilt or where she might have hid the body. This is the first time I have ever listened to her and maybe I'm looking at it too critically. But I was sooooooo looking forward to getting to the meat of these threads in vocal form. Disappointed.

I wish it could have been 3 hours. There’s so much more to discuss!


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[Paddleboarder]

Additionally (rehash, I know):

"She described herself in court documents since August as a stay-at-home mom whose fiance/husband, Jonathan Hernandez, is the “sole financial care taker” and “is away at work most of the time.”


*So, as I've mentioned before, I seeeeeriously wonder if she was banging someone else.

And if so, what does this person know?

Eta: $10 says she's been screwing her dealer. Moo.

Interesting thought


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[Busylady]

She may not have a dealer, someone could swing by Colorado and pick up an ounce once a month or so.

 

[Stacy zelepos]

In the interests of sharing something amusing. A Pennsylvania sheriff put out a Wanted poster for Punxsatawny Phil the Groundhog. The rodent is wanted on a charge of Deception.

I better not find him. We had 3-4" on Wednesday in Pittsburgh! Schools closed, tons of accidents. Bridgeville PD had a funny meme too. I'll have to look for the link

 

[n_6CC]

It really bothers me that JH totally avoids talking about the abuse allegations as if they could not possibly have anything to do with Lucas being missing. JMO, but his statement does give a lot of insight into how he may have handled any indications that Lucas may have been being abused. In other words, turn his head the other way and totally ignore the fact.

FWIW, I have been involved with adults in abuse situations. They never think that the abuse that occurred was ever that serious, and just another misunderstanding- and this is on both ends. Even though the occurrence turned physical, both parties always turn back to one another because they are used to this type of occurrence, and they only have each other to turn to. They have exhausted all family support from going back and forth too many times. The “outsiders” know too much, and then they hide and pretend everything is is normal until the next serious episode. It’s a horrible cycle for the individual/individuals involved, and their loved ones.
This case with Lucas follows the same pattern-get rid of everyone around “us” that is trying to ruin our family. Take everyone out that knew anything, and constantly try to renew the family appearance with a new sub-set of people. When drugs are involved, they never renew the sub-set totally. There is someone out there that knows these individuals very well. I’m hoping this person has been interviewed. Most likely, this is the type of person that sees this crap regularly, and won’t get involved unless arrested by means of phone records or some other type of data. MOO


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[n_6CC]

He didn't just ignore the giant elephant in the room, but also punished anyone (no matter which side of the family) who brought allegations up with denial of future contact with Lucas. All the more heartbreaking for those who truly cared about the boy's well-being.

This is completely normal with people in volatile situations- deny, separate, play keep a way. Horrible.


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[Paddleboarder]

:biggrin:

Honestly, I was going to ask PB if that's how the electrocution happened...peeing on an electric fence!

(How is PB btw? All better, I hope! )

I’m better! It may take 3-6 weeks to completely heal, but I can walk again.

(Btw...I was on stage and the heel of my cowboy boot connected with an abraded power cord. 1 in a million chance...)


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[Busylady]

Maybe if they approach it from the angle of how hard it must be for her and what a great job she had been doing, she doesn't get a break, dad goes away to work maybe even goes out for drinks with the guys after his shift, sleeps in on his days off, while she is stuck at home taking care of children 24/7 - up at night for teething, sick children, making sure they get to school, that all their daily needs are met. Heck she has to even be the mean parent and get rid of the cat, while dad comes home for 10 days and is the fun parent. Make her feel like a super mom and maybe she will drop her defense and open up. As long as they attack her parenting skills she is gonna stay clammed up I think. She needs someone to justify and appreciate what is in her mind that she is a great parent.

Just to clarify I am in no way saying she is a great mom, but I do believe in her mind she thinks she is and people are being unfair to her and don't appreciate everything she does.

 

[ScarlettLin]

FWIW, I have been involved with adults in abuse situations. They never think that the abuse that occurred was ever that serious, and just another misunderstanding- and this is on both ends. Even though the occurrence turned physical, both parties always turn back to one another because they are used to this type of occurrence, and they only have each other to turn to. They have exhausted all family support from going back and forth too many times. The “outsiders” know too much, and then they hide and pretend everything is is normal until the next serious episode. It’s a horrible cycle for the individual/individuals involved, and their loved ones.
This case with Lucas follows the same pattern-get rid of everyone around “us” that is trying to ruin our family. Take everyone out that knew anything, and constantly try to renew the family appearance with a new sub-set of people. When drugs are involved, they never renew the sub-set totally. There is someone out there that knows these individuals very well. I’m hoping this person has been interviewed. Most likely, this is the type of person that sees this crap regularly, and won’t get involved unless arrested by means of phone records or some other type of data. MOO


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And many times, in my experience anyway, the believe they are justified in that separation. They’ve had people do it to them, or known/seen other people cut out abusive people from their lives, and so they work the situation in their mind to being the ones wronged and they had to cut out the meddlers...


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[ScarlettLin]

I’m better! It may take 3-6 weeks to completely heal, but I can walk again.

(Btw...I was on stage and the heel of my cowboy boot connected with an abraded power cord. 1 in a million chance...)


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Oh gosh!!! Sooooo glad you’re ok!


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[n_6CC]

I honestly believe she cares more about what the families think than anything else- she doesn’t care about the public. She wants them to believe she was Mother Teresa to those kids- what breaks a person like that? Good Question.


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If I had the chance to interview/interrogate her, I would go with a vibe of this:
Hi, how are you doing in here? Are you getting everything you need? I know how hard this must be for you, with everything going on. I know you miss your kiddos, I know I would. Are you holding up ok? Is there anything I can do for you? I know this is hard, but I need to ask you a few questions. I know how hard being a mom is. I get it. It’s rewarding and not rewarding at the same time. We do and do and do for our kids....it seems like they don’t even get it! All we do for them.....and it seems to go unnoticed. We teach them manners, we feed them wholesome meals, we help them bath, we do all of this and it is tiring-I know I’m tired- with two, you have to be tired. I only have one little girl, and I’m exhausted all the time. I just don’t know how you do it Emily. ........................................etc,etc,etc.


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[n_6CC]

Maybe if they approach it from the angle of how hard it must be for her and what a great job she had been doing, she doesn't get a break, dad goes away to work maybe even goes out for drinks with the guys after his shift, sleeps in on his days off, while she is stuck at home taking care of children 24/7 - up at night for teething, sick children, making sure they get to school, that all their daily needs are met. Heck she has to even be the mean parent and get rid of the cat, while dad comes home for 10 days and is the fun parent. Make her feel like a super mom and maybe she will drop her defense and open up. As long as they attack her parenting skills she is gonna stay clammed up I think. She needs someone to justify and appreciate what is in her mind that she is a great parent.

Just to clarify I am in no way saying she is a great mom, but I do believe in her mind she thinks she is and people are being unfair to her and don't appreciate everything she does.

Just basically said the same damn thing- love it-


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