Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #15 *Arrest*

[kkdj]

it may not even be real drama but if EG is as crazy as she seems, maybe she thought JO was in the way - maybe EG was the paranoid/jealous type? its also been speculated on here EG wanted her own family - maybe if JO was gone itd be like Lucas was really hers? maybe its entirely EG being petty - there was once the incident at the school when EG failed to pick up Lucas so maybe EG would pounce on any opportunity to one-up JO/JOs family?

imo, the drama wouldnt have to be concrete/something your normal adult views as drama or conflict but something that would rile up a crazy, unstable person, if that makes sense.

Makes me wonder if EG thought about harming JO.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

*nodding in agreement*

EG's behavior is textbook gaslighting.

FLA please give my love to JO. I don't know her from adam but if LE has cleared her, that's all I need to know to support her (not that I doubted). I can't even begin to imagine the horror of the situation she's been sucked into.

Drugs are evil.

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Drugs ARE evil, and I think it's important to acknowledge that literally from his birth, drugs have had a negative role in Lucas' life. I am not victim blaming, because I know that JH and JO did as much of the right thing for Lucas as they could when he was a baby, but unfortunately the drugs never entirely left the mix, and it's a fact that drugs were still negatively influencing his life until the very last day we know he was alive.

By acknowledging this as part of Lucas' story, perhaps it will positively influence someone, somewhere, to seek help so they can make the life of a child (and themselves) better in Lucas' honor.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Who would she have to explain new bruises to? JH was already gone for work..unless they video chatted, he would see bruises. Hmmm. I hate her, she's a monster.

I don't think she even had to explain the bruises to JH. Did he even bother noticing, let alone asking about them?

 

[Mama3boys]

I don't think Jamie let E.G. get away with the things JH may have. Remember the situation at the school? Jamie knew who E.g. really was, and she couldn't fool her.

 

[chihuahua]

just needed to type this out:

Wed Feb 14: EG claims JO picked up Lucas; this is proved a lie by LE; VIs noting there are significant details on this day
Thurs Feb 15:
Fri Feb 16: EG visits OG; Lucas is seen by LL; VIs mentioned focusing on the late hours of this day
Sat Feb 17: EG reports Lucas missing

Thank you for this it is very helpful!
On the 15th I was celebrating my birthday
Lucas:heartbeat:

 

[newmember]

Makes me wonder if EG thought about harming JO.

same. physically but also in the sense of trying to damage her reputation/ruin her life. someone who is excessively nasty to someone they view as a threat or their enemy (even if that is not the case).

 

[chihuahua]

Praying LE knows who EG's "friend" is and are tightening the net. I believe there was/is a "friend" and soon we will hear way more about this. Praying anyway that is the case. IMO

I've been of the same mind set for a long time now and I too pray and hope LE has found out who that person is.
If they are an "outlier" ie someone known only by EG and unknown by anyone else in her circle, then it's going to be difficult.
Help after the fact? Very possible.
If that is the case, Lucas could be found far away.
:moo:

 

[Busylady]

Where did the idea that EG was homeless before meeting JH come from? IMO if LE would come out and state that JO was cleared it might stop some of the suspicion towards her, unfortunately I think people have this idea of how a parent should act when their child goes missing and if they don't act that certain way then fingers start pointing. Of course there will always be people that just want to be mean and nasty and best thing you can do is ignore it and not feed into it.

It does not surprise me that JH is supporting EG, he turned his back on his own family when they accused EG of hurting Lucas. As soon as Lucas went missing the abuse allegations where brought up and JH got very angry which probably just pushed him more to supporting EG.

Hopefully soon LE will come out with some information that will clear some things up.

 

[kkdj]

same. physically but also in the sense of trying to damage her reputation/ruin her life. someone who is excessively nasty to someone they view as a threat or their enemy (even if that is not the case).

I'm thinking more permanently. The problems EG had of having JO in her life. She and her family were accusing EG of abusing Lucas. This could harm her relationship with JH and harm her relationship with her ex and child custody. She needed Lucas to shut up and/or she needed JO to shut up. JH was already keeping Lucas away from his family because of their accusations of EG abusing Lucas. But he couldn't keep JO away, she had custodial rights.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Makes me wonder if the February 14th missing data includes EG and another man?

 

[FindLucasAllen]

Drugs ARE evil, and I think it's important to acknowledge that literally from his birth, drugs have had a negative role in Lucas' life. I am not victim blaming, because I know that JH and JO did as much of the right thing for Lucas as they could when he was a baby, but unfortunately the drugs never entirely left the mix, and it's a fact that drugs were still negatively influencing his life until the very last day we know he was alive.

By acknowledging this as part of Lucas' story, perhaps it will positively influence someone, somewhere, to seek help so they can make the life of a child (and themselves) better in Lucas' honor.

I've seen people say this before but I can't figure out what you guys are talking about. Are you saying that Jamie and Jonathan were on drugs when Lucas was born? Because that's not true.

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[Mama3boys]

Makes me wonder if the February 14th missing data includes EG and another man?

If that's the case...WHY is JH still standing by her...she is no prize. I pray JH comes to his senses.

 

[chihuahua]

I've seen people say this before but I can't figure out what you guys are talking about. Are you saying that Jamie and Jonathan were on drugs when Lucas was born? Because that's not true.

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I know right?
I never thought they were.
Thanks for clarifying this for everyone.

 

[hopekiser1219]

Thank you for this it is very helpful!
On the 15th I was celebrating my birthday
Lucas:heartbeat:

So was he really seen my LL? If not he's been gone a lot longer


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[FindLucasAllen]

So was he really seen my LL? If not he's been gone a lot longer


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Yes he was really seen by the landlord on the 16th. However, where he was on Valentine's day no one knows.

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[n_6CC]

The number one tactic a narcissist enacts to take the focus off themselves for their own wrongdoing is to throw shade for the same exact behavior onto someone else. And to avoid feeling guilt the denial runs deep, so deep the narcissist actually believe their own lies. The shame and fear of being seen for who they really are is greater than any other possible emotion, and in desperation will so almost anything to not get exposed.

On the other side, once exposed, anyone who continues to be gaslighted by their lies and manipulations does so voluntarily, and therefore cannot be angry or embarrassed when they realize they've been duped. Sometimes you really do need to trust the advice of others.

Jamie needs to shine it on, somehow. I don't know why she would care eithe, about what a bunch of noodle heads think anyway. She need to focus on keeping Lucas' name out there so she can get closure. *hugs* to Jamie. So sad.

So true- that’s why I think she will do anything to have the immediate family believe her story- by NOT disclosing the info we need. She’d rather die than have them believe she’s a mom. MOO


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[n_6CC]

The no contact isn’t applicable to phone conversations.

So, IF Emily were to get out of jail, she would be able to return back to the home and JH would be unable to “go home” as per the NCO- not a good scenario!!!


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[n_6CC]

IF she was alone

Here is where our work begins WS’ers- this would be so vital!!!!!!


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[newmember]

Yes he was really seen by the landlord on the 16th. However, where he was on Valentine's day no one knows.

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so big questions are HOW and IF what happened on Valentines Day connect to what happened on Feb 16th? for example, was EG entirely careless and neglectful on Valentine's Day but its unrelated to what happened on Feb 16th?

Im leaning toward no and what happened on Feb 16th was a direct result of events on Feb 14th. Where could EG have taken Lucas/what could have happened that would have an impact two days later? what happened on the 15th? I totally realize you cannot share further and don't know where he was on Valentines either, im just thinking out loud.

 

[n_6CC]

I randomly, accidentally came across this post from an early thread and find it interesting for a few different reasons:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...7-Feb-2018-4-*Arrest*&p=13948909#post13948909
02-23-2018, 09:15 AM #110
MzOpinion8d

"Back on Day 1, a news article said that when "the adults" woke up from their nap Lucas was gone. Someone said the other adult was EG's sister. But what if it was actually another man? Maybe she had a side piece that got angry and hurt Lucas, but she can't tell the truth without admitting she was cheating?"

I remember that as well!!! I thought it was clarified to be EG’s daughter in the House- “when they woke up”. Am I mistaken?


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