Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #16 *Arrest*

[Kamm5]

I agree I would donate directly to klein

 

[Busylady]

IMO EG knew she was preg before the move to the house. Also EG wasn't hiding Lucas in the few days before he went missing, she had him out meeting at least two neighbors so I don't believe he was in some frail state from illness. I also think there is a lot more to the JO and VD story but going to leave it at that.

At this point I think I just need to take a break, there is so much information out there that fill in some blanks IMO. My hands are so numb from sitting on them. So for the time being I will just continue to pray that Lucas is found and those responsible will be held accountable for their actions. God Bless all of those who have spent so much time out there searching for Lucas.

 

[papixee]

OK, lets back up a little bit. There seems to be a LOT of judgement against Jonathan. Yes, he made mistakes. But I look at it like this. Here we have a guy that works hard and in order to care for his family, he takes a job many hours away and is rarely home for long. He has this significant other that he depends on to care for his children while he is working. He may have known things about her hitting Lucas but he is overwhelmed and does not see a way out of it. Jamie is in no position to take Lucas and then there is his baby girl to think of. How will he care for her. He is in denial right now because he was trying so hard to keep it all together and he failed. I feel sorry for him. I have not walked in his shoes so I won't judge him. If he wants to hire a PI, I look at that as a GOOD thing.

 

[andalso]

These days...I only have a few moments each week to catch up on a few posts...see where things stand...I pop in as a guest to see the threads I follow...and holy moly...I did not expect to see this news about EG being pregnant....so I had to furiously log in and just say....whoa!

Just whoa is all I have got at the moment.

 

[liltexans]

Jonathan Hernandez has just put up a Go Fund Me page in his name asking for $28,000 to fund a private investigator. I am not supposed to post links from I think, so if you want to see it, search under find-lucas-hernandez.

To be honest, this caused me to raise my eyebrow. On the surface this would look like a good step for him to take. He even links to a private investigations company at the bottom. http://www.kleininvestigations.com/

However, in light of recent information coming out, I can't help but be suspicious. Thoughts?

Reminder to all to not link directly to this (or any other) .

Tricia will review the later today and let us know what we can and cannot discuss regarding it.

In the meantime, perhaps one of our VIs will be able to confirm if Jonathan is actually hiring a PI to look for Lucas.

 

[andalso]

Been a lurker,but have read every thread since day one...In my mind keeps whirling around VD. Wonder if she suspected that she was pregnant then..I could see her really resenting Lucas even more . She probably feels that she is "saddled" with watching Lucas and all she got from her husband for that day was a lousy 15 dollar gift card. No flowers...no special delivery of candy etc...I really am leaning towards her dumping our poor little guy somewhere that meant a lot to JO.

I have often though that Valentine's day plays a role in this somewhere...I just don't know how.

 

[chihuahua]

Just got back on and reading all of your comments definitely have me thinking about a whole bunch of things. Still reading to catch up.:deepbreaths:
The seeking of money by JH better be going straight to Klein that's all I can say.
jmo

 

[chihuahua]

Thanks for all the work you do to keep this thread on track liltexans!
:tyou:

 

[Amonet]

Reminder to all to not link directly to this (or any other) .

Tricia will review the later today and let us know what we can and cannot discuss regarding it.

In the meantime, perhaps one of our VIs will be able to confirm if Jonathan is actually hiring a PI to look for Lucas.

Is it okay to share the video from the page if I get the YouTube link for the vid?

 

[liltexans]

Is it okay to share the video from the page if I get the YouTube link for the vid?

I will ask Tricia and get back to you. I think the video may be okay, but I want to check with her first.

:tyou:

 

[Mama3boys]

IF this was premeditated, her move of meeting the neighbor would be suspicious...is that the same neighbor she ran to stating Lucas was missing. Hmm

 

[chihuahua]

I'm thinking there were a lot of clues in her initial 911 call, and her asking the neighbor to call was a way to try and not be the first to report him missing.
If so that's always a tipoff from the very beginning of guilt.
Maybe someday we will all get to hear it and that will definitely be interesting.
:moo:

 

[flute4peace]

Well that’s interesting. Isn’t this the same PI firm that is investigating Michael Chambers’ disappearance? If it is, they seem to be a legitimate firm.

Same name, so I assume so. Surely they vet their potential cases? Or how does that work?

Hopefully they're too busy with Papaw to take on another case.

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[chihuahua]

IF this was premeditated, her move of meeting the neighbor would be suspicious...is that the same neighbor she ran to stating Lucas was missing. Hmm

Apparently same neighbor.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article201763589.html

 

[Kuyluc2764]

Even 'normal' people sometimes struggle to rationalize sensibly like you've presented there. I'm wondering if EG's thought processes might be very different from 'normal' (though I dislike the word, but I'm just using it to describe the 'sensible' thought processes you've outlined.

I am interested in how many of these words might fit EG:

Fearless, guiltless, remorseless, calculating, ruthless, inhumane, callous, brutal, rancorous, aggressive, biting, merciless, vicious, cruel, spiteful; hateful and jealous; anticipates betrayal and seeks punishment; desires revenge; has been isolated,

The words come from a Wikipedia article, I've missed off the final few words and I've missed off what they relate to as I just want people to think about those words and whether or not they fit. If a lot of those words fit, then I think EG's thinking patterns would be 'not sensible' but more self-oriented. The list goes with a person who is self-absorbed, thinks highly of themselves, lacks empathy. Things I think some people sort of said in earlier threads that EG's main concern/priority seems to be EG.

It's tough, because I don't want us to paint EG from our imagination, I want us to learn about her from her words and actions.

We don't have that much to go on. We have the fights with JH. The alleged abuse of Lucas. We've seen some info about why she doesn't have custody of her older boys. We have the incident at the school. We have VDay. We have OG. We have the day Lucas was reported missing. We have the media interview from jail. We're not psychologists, we can't diagnose anything, but not being psychologists and restricted to professional ethics, we can explore as laypeople and see if that helps us make connections.

I hope it's temporary, but I'm starting to do a 180 degree turn from the logic you've suggested up there, getting angry for no good reason at Lucas and going too far in her usual abuse of him, to seeing an abyss that is very alien, thinking patterns that are very alien to most of us. I think it would be easier if I was wrong, but someone with sensible thinking patterns doesn't tell JH that JO picked up Lucas on VDay and insist this happened despite the illogic and irrationality in the claim. What sort of person wouldn't back down and say, "okay, you caught me in a lie"? And the same thing with how many other things? The abuse, the disappearance of Lucas, she won't back down and say, "okay, you caught me in a lie, here's what really happened".

ETA Tim Miller...Casey Anthony? Is this what he meant? Did he take one look weeks ago and see what some of us think we might be seeing now?

I think I might be a bit in denial after my night of constant thinking about Lucas. I guess I just wanted to hope that it wasn't that bad for Lucas. Because the alternative is pure agony. You're right though. 💔

 

[andalso]

The state does allow for someone to claim paternity by signing an affidavit of paternity. Unless it’s contested, then that’s when a court ordered DNA test would be ordered. In cases of seeking state financial welfare benefits, the parent has to say who the other parent is and if they are paying child support. Then the state will go after the deadbeat parent to reimburse the state and then set a child support amount. If no father is listed, the mother has to provide who the father is before she will get approved for assistance. If that father doesn’t cooperate, that’s when the DNA test comes into play.


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Just a personal and complicated note on this. (and sorry for jumping all over the thread while I'm trying to catch up a bit)

Last summer, a 'child' came out of the woodwork claiming my husband was his father. The 'child' is now 25 years old and had been raised without a father and was always told my husband was his dead beat father. Not true. Turns out...a court ordered paternity test had been done 25 years ago, due to the mother of the child filing for welfare. Paternity test came back negative at the time. Fast forward to this year when we hear from my husbands 'son'. So, we call the courthouse and receive these records from 25 years ago proving my husband was not the father. In addition, they both took a second paternity test last summer, to allow all of us peace of mind this was not my husbands child.

But for the entirety of this child's life...he was lead to believe his father abandoned him. The child actually reached out to me and we became bonded. It's a much longer story for this child then the abridged version I'm giving, but I bring it up, I guess, to say...paternity tests are important... but nothing prevented this 'mother' I mention for painting an entirely fabricated version of who the father was even though a DNA test has been done and she knew the truth.

( Side note...finally figured out the mother I mentioned above cheated on my husband while they were dating and that dude ended up being the father...this was all long before I came into the picture. And real father won't acknowledge real son today. Entirely sad.)

ETA. I wrote 35 instead of 25...I really don't know why I messed that up so much. Fixed.

 

[Kamm5]

Same name, so I assume so. Surely they vet their potential cases? Or how does that work?

Hopefully they're too busy with Papaw to take on another case.

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Why would you not want them involved. Do they have a bad reputation?

 

[chihuahua]

Even 'normal' people sometimes struggle to rationalize sensibly like you've presented there. I'm wondering if EG's thought processes might be very different from 'normal' (though I dislike the word, but I'm just using it to describe the 'sensible' thought processes you've outlined.

I am interested in how many of these words might fit EG:

Fearless, guiltless, remorseless, calculating, ruthless, inhumane, callous, brutal, rancorous, aggressive, biting, merciless, vicious, cruel, spiteful; hateful and jealous; anticipates betrayal and seeks punishment; desires revenge; has been isolated,

The words come from a Wikipedia article, I've missed off the final few words and I've missed off what they relate to as I just want people to think about those words and whether or not they fit. If a lot of those words fit, then I think EG's thinking patterns would be 'not sensible' but more self-oriented. The list goes with a person who is self-absorbed, thinks highly of themselves, lacks empathy. Things I think some people sort of said in earlier threads that EG's main concern/priority seems to be EG.

It's tough, because I don't want us to paint EG from our imagination, I want us to learn about her from her words and actions.

We don't have that much to go on. We have the fights with JH. The alleged abuse of Lucas. We've seen some info about why she doesn't have custody of her older boys. We have the incident at the school. We have VDay. We have OG. We have the day Lucas was reported missing. We have the media interview from jail. We're not psychologists, we can't diagnose anything, but not being psychologists and restricted to professional ethics, we can explore as laypeople and see if that helps us make connections.

I hope it's temporary, but I'm starting to do a 180 degree turn from the logic you've suggested up there, getting angry for no good reason at Lucas and going too far in her usual abuse of him, to seeing an abyss that is very alien, thinking patterns that are very alien to most of us. I think it would be easier if I was wrong, but someone with sensible thinking patterns doesn't tell JH that JO picked up Lucas on VDay and insist this happened despite the illogic and irrationality in the claim. What sort of person wouldn't back down and say, "okay, you caught me in a lie"? And the same thing with how many other things? The abuse, the disappearance of Lucas, she won't back down and say, "okay, you caught me in a lie, here's what really happened".

ETA Tim Miller...Casey Anthony? Is this what he meant? Did he take one look weeks ago and see what some of us think we might be seeing now?

Your post here is very true in its entirety to me.
She has most if not all of those traits in observable interviews, actions that have been documented and more.
I think she might be a psychopath.
I have worked with so many and also had them in my life.
Including psychopathic women who were mothers.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201307/the-psychopathic-mother
Snipped from link:
{Psychopathic mothers(link is external)[FONT=&amp] play "Super Mom" when others are watching. She will make sure anyone who will listen knows what a great parent she is. In fact, she may come across as something of a martyr, i.e., a mother who sacrifices her own wants and needs for those of her offspring. Behind closed doors, though, she shows little or no genuine interest in nurturing or caring for the child and may subject him/her to abuse or [/FONT]neglect[FONT=&amp]. }
[/FONT]{[FONT=&amp]The psychopathic mother doesn’t see her child as a separate person. Instead, the child is viewed as a personal possession...}
[/FONT]{[FONT=&amp]They are self-centered, deceptive, shallow emotions, and lack of [/FONT]empathy[FONT=&amp]. They exploit others for self-serving reasons, lack remorse for their actions, and blame others for the consequences of their actions.}
Also I add this for consideration:
[/FONT]https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/the-parent-without-a-conscience.252/
Snippets:
They know their own tricks and how to play them on the kids.
They have a power-over relationship with the child.
They will never co-parent with you, they will counter-parent.
They will use the children as weapons regardless of the consequences for them.
They do not love their children, but will demand love in return.
They will use their children at will to prove themselves to a new partner.
They will see custody as a battle they should 'win', never as a serious responsibility.
They will stick to their right of being in touch with you, using the children as an excuse.
Co-parenting with a psychopath is a special kind of hell.
:moo:

 

[flute4peace]

Why would you not want them involved. Do they have a bad reputation?

On the contrary, they have a great reputation. I was thinking more along the lines of JH reputation/situation. I didn't explain it well (and it probably wasn't very nice of me to say). My opinion is if JH really wanted the case solved he wouldn't be defending EG so intensely.

LT I know I'm probably pushing a boundary here so my feelings won't be hurt if you censor me.

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[Amonet]

Your post here is very true in its entirety to me.
She has most if not all of those traits in observable interviews, actions that have been documented and more.
I think she might be a psychopath.
I have worked with so many and also had them in my life.
Including psychopathic women who were mothers.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201307/the-psychopathic-mother
Snipped from link:
{Psychopathic mothers(link is external)[FONT=&amp] play "Super Mom" when others are watching. She will make sure anyone who will listen knows what a great parent she is. In fact, she may come across as something of a martyr, i.e., a mother who sacrifices her own wants and needs for those of her offspring. Behind closed doors, though, she shows little or no genuine interest in nurturing or caring for the child and may subject him/her to abuse or [/FONT]neglect[FONT=&amp]. }
[/FONT]{[FONT=&amp]The psychopathic mother doesn’t see her child as a separate person. Instead, the child is viewed as a personal possession...}
[/FONT]{[FONT=&amp]They are self-centered, deceptive, shallow emotions, and lack of [/FONT]empathy[FONT=&amp]. They exploit others for self-serving reasons, lack remorse for their actions, and blame others for the consequences of their actions.}
Also I add this for consideration:
[/FONT]https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/the-parent-without-a-conscience.252/
Snippets:
They know their own tricks and how to play them on the kids.
They have a power-over relationship with the child.
They will never co-parent with you, they will counter-parent.
They will use the children as weapons regardless of the consequences for them.
They do not love their children, but will demand love in return.
They will use their children at will to prove themselves to a new partner.
They will see custody as a battle they should 'win', never as a serious responsibility.
They will stick to their right of being in touch with you, using the children as an excuse.
Co-parenting with a psychopath is a special kind of hell.:moo:

Now someone has taken the bait...the description bolded in my earlier post is of Malignant Narcissist from the Wikipedia page on NPD.

And the final few words on that description "potentially suicidal or homicidal"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

It does also mention similarities to psychopathic and that it can be hard to tell the difference.

I only got there because I looked at the pregnancy psychosis thing earlier and it said that it can occur for people who have conditions like NPD, but the psychosis seems very disorganized and people seem unlikely to plan or hide a body or even lie about what they've done...really tragic cases included in that category.

It's just scary how, from what little we know, Malignant Narcissist or psychopath don't seem too far out of the realm of possibility? And I think someone with some of those traits might well plan something like this in their mind and carry out the plan...