Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #16 *Arrest*

[WildcatRunner]

I find it pretty interesting that EG apparently had the latitude to set up visitation time for JO with LH. I would expect that JO and EG communicated in the past to send LH on visits to his mom. That seems odd to me. You would think JO and JH would speak to decide the visit, then EG might just drop off or pick up. But EG must have thought it would be a believable story that JO took LH on Valentine's Day without JH knowing. I couldn't imagine being the person to decide visitation for a non-custodial parent, if the child wasn't mine. I'm not sure where this train of thought is going...I just find it odd.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[WildcatRunner]

I think the speculation is based upon a couple of things. One, her apparent short fused, and violent temper. That is not indicative of marijuana use.

And incidents, like when she took a nap and didn't wake up in time to pick up Lucas from school. That kind of irresponsibility seems like it is a bigger drug issue, imo.

I agree, but all I'm saying is that all we have is speculation.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[katydid23]

I find it pretty interesting that EG apparently had the latitude to set up visitation time for JO with LH. I would expect that JO and EG communicated in the past to send LH on visits to his mom. That seems odd to me. You would think JO and JH would speak to decide the visit, then EG might just drop off or pick up. But EG must have thought it would be a believable story that JO took LH on Valentine's Day without JH knowing. I couldn't imagine being the person to decide visitation for a non-custodial parent, if the child wasn't mine. I'm not sure where this train of thought is going...I just find it odd.

Just thinking out loud...

I would be really ticked off if I was expected to work out my visitation schedule with my ex's live-in girlfriend, instead of him.

 

[kkdj]

I find it pretty interesting that EG apparently had the latitude to set up visitation time for JO with LH. I would expect that JO and EG communicated in the past to send LH on visits to his mom. That seems odd to me. You would think JO and JH would speak to decide the visit, then EG might just drop off or pick up. But EG must have thought it would be a believable story that JO took LH on Valentine's Day without JH knowing. I couldn't imagine being the person to decide visitation for a non-custodial parent, if the child wasn't mine. I'm not sure where this train of thought is going...I just find it odd.

Just thinking out loud...

Bingo! I thought the same thing. We know that EG and JO had an altercation at LH school. Weren't the police even called? This visitation thing with setting it up between EG and JO would seem suspicious to JH, I would think at some level.
Something is just wrong with this picture! What are we missing?

 

[Kuyluc2764]

I would be really ticked off if I was expected to work out my visitation schedule with my ex's live-in girlfriend, instead of him.

Lol. I was the one who set up visits with my ex husbands ex wife. He would always be working and stuff. I would sometimes go pick my (ex?) step son up and sometimes it would be my ex husband. But I'm the one who always made the plans. Me and her, we ended up becoming best friends and were like sisters for 14 years before I moved to Mexico and we had a falling out. It's possible though, to have a good relationship with your SO's ex. But then again, neither me or her are crazy baby abusers so...

 

[kkdj]

I would be really ticked off if I was expected to work out my visitation schedule with my ex's live-in girlfriend, instead of him.

Especially if I believed she was harming my child!

 

[WildcatRunner]

Bingo! I thought the same thing. We know that EG and JO had an altercation at LH school. Weren't the police even called? This visitation thing with setting it up between EG and JO would seem suspicious to JH, I would think at some level.
Something is just wrong with this picture! What are we missing?

I would be inclined to think that too, but JH seems to worship the ground EG walks on...so could be really have been ok with EG controlling the visitation schedule? Maybe, I guess. Perhaps one of our VI's can clarify if it was normal for EG and JO to schedule visitation time without JH's input.
I'm not sure how that gets us closer to finding Lucas, since we know for a fact he wasn't with JO for nearly 2 months before the disappearance, but perhaps it will help to understand some dynamic.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[WildcatRunner]

Lol. I was the one who set up visits with my ex husbands ex wife. He would always be working and stuff. I would sometimes go pick my (ex?) step son up and sometimes it would be my ex husband. But I'm the one who always made the plans. Me and her, we ended up becoming best friends and were like sisters for 14 years before I moved to Mexico and we had a falling out. It's possible though, to have a good relationship with your SO's ex. But then again, neither me or her are crazy baby abusers so...

I agree it is possible...I have a friend who's current hubby and ex hubby make plans to drive together to the kids' sporting events, etc. They co-parent well, and I wish it could be that way for every child. But I don't feel like this family was that way. And it is also a little different when there's joint custody, versus this situation, where JO had only visitation, on a schedule decided by JH. Nothing negative toward JO, but I wouldn't be comfortable as the girlfriend (EG), making the call if and when my boyfriend's child would see his bio mom.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[ZoriahNZ]

The altercation at LH school had nothing to do with visitation times, however. In fact, JO wasn't supposed to be there but was called because both EG and JH failed to pick up Lucas from school and were presumably unreachable. I think you can read between the lines as to what the altercation was about.

Here is an account of that particular incident, according to police records (note EG's explanation for why Lucas was not picked up by her or bio dad):


http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article201455644.html

A later report, on Dec. 6, 2017, described an incident in which Glass accused her boyfriend’s “ex” of punching her. Police found no visible injuries.


Glass told police that Hernandez was her live-in boyfriend and that she was supposed to pick up someone – the identifying information is blacked out in the report – at school “but had fallen asleep with Jonathan (Hernandez). They awoke and went to” Beech Elementary School, where Lucas goes to school. The ex was there and was upset, according to the police report.

It's reported on a different news site that EG claimed JO punched her in the face.
This happened only a few days after the boy's 5th birthday. :sheesh::tsktsk:

 

[kkdj]

I would be inclined to think that too, but JH seems to worship the ground EG walks on...so could be really have been ok with EG controlling the visitation schedule? Maybe, I guess. Perhaps one of our VI's can clarify if it was normal for EG and JO to schedule visitation time without JH's input.
I'm not sure how that gets us closer to finding Lucas, since we know for a fact he wasn't with JO for nearly 2 months before the disappearance, but perhaps it will help to understand some dynamic.

Just thinking out loud...

Actually, if EG's story flew about JO taking LH and everyone believed JO had him, then I would think Lucas will be found closer to where EG believed JO lived. I have a feeling VD got screwed up somehow for EG so Lucas lived a little longer. I'm not stuck on that theory but I can make it make sense.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Actually, if EG's story flew about JO taking LH and everyone believed JO had him, then I would think Lucas will be found closer to where EG believed JO lived. I have a feeling VD got screwed up somehow for EG so Lucas lived a little longer. I'm not stuck on that theory but I can make it make sense.

I agree with this, a lot. I think that was a plan to set JO up, but the LL "ruined" it because he ended up being seen after the time she'd planned on saying JO had him. However, I wonder why she still carried out her horrible plan, instead of waiting a while, and setting JO up again. The wheels in my brain are definitely turning. ......I should oil the wheels. I don't use them often, and one has a nasty squeak. [emoji23][emoji12]

Just thinking out loud...

 

[charminglane]

My theory of the bar tab is that JH was angry with EG because she ran up a "tab for two."
And he wasn't the date.

 

[kkdj]

I agree with this, a lot. I think that was a plan to set JO up, but the LL "ruined" it because he ended up being seen after the time she'd planned on saying JO had him. However, I wonder why she still carried out her horrible plan, instead of waiting a while, and setting JO up again. The wheels in my brain are definitely turning. ......I should oil the wheels. I don't use them often, and one has a nasty squeak. [emoji23][emoji12]

Just thinking out loud...

Maybe, if JH believed JO took Lucas as of the 14th, then she couldn't be seen with Lucas at OG on the 16th, saying that JO still had him. Then when the LL saw him peek out the window it blew her bigger plan of setting up JO for something. But she's still trying! I'm wondering if she was planning on beating the heck out of Lucas and then saying JO brought him home with bruises. It's also crossed my mind that once she found out the LL saw LH peek that she told JH that JO just dropped him off and left him home alone. I'm also wondering if it's JO her phone calls were made to. My mind in trying to think of all avenues. Could be wrong on lots of things, but I can build an entire story that makes sense with some of my thoughts.

 

[Amonet]

I find it pretty interesting that EG apparently had the latitude to set up visitation time for JO with LH. I would expect that JO and EG communicated in the past to send LH on visits to his mom. That seems odd to me. You would think JO and JH would speak to decide the visit, then EG might just drop off or pick up. But EG must have thought it would be a believable story that JO took LH on Valentine's Day without JH knowing. I couldn't imagine being the person to decide visitation for a non-custodial parent, if the child wasn't mine. I'm not sure where this train of thought is going...I just find it odd.

Just thinking out loud...

Yes, and I thought more about it after I went to bed.

We heard earlier from FLA that EG has no problem driving around with the kids in the car for reasons that aren't on the order...for instance EG drives the kids out for the visits with the bio mom and her side of the family.

So does that mean JO doesn't come to pick up Lucas, EG drives him over? Then it's even more odd that EG would make up a story that JO came over to pick up Lucas...apparently unannounced, implication of JO's causing trouble.

And according to FLA JO didn't even know JH and EG had moved even if she was inclined to turn up unannounced and demand that EG hand over Lucas.

We wanted insight into EG...here's some really big insight of something going on in EG's head just a few days before Lucas disappeared. I don't know exactly what it means, I just think it's worth exploring it to see what it might mean and if it might be an important piece of the puzzle?

 

[chihuahua]

As one of the local searchers I can tell you this-when we search and find nothing we are clearing areas so LE can focus on the target areas. We aren’t necessarily searching just for where Lucas is, we are looking also for where he isn’t. And that is so valuable to LE.


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God bless you for everything you have done to look for Lucas.
I thank all of you for sharing what you can without being specific. Thoughts and prayers going up for your strength to continue and also for your safety.
Chi:clap:

 

[chihuahua]

Just reading thru all of the wonderful posts I missed while I was sleeping.
There are some great lines of thought going on there, especially about Valentine's Day and the lie that EG told saying JO had Lucas.
There is definitely some great importance in that.
Thanks to everyone for the very intriguing ideas and I have many more things to ponder now,:thinking:

 

[GigTu]

My theory of the bar tab is that JH was angry with EG because she ran up a "tab for two."
And he wasn't the date.

Bar tab?

 

[PommyMommy]

Bar tab?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bo...story-violent-fights-police/story?id=53274743

In February 2016, police were called to an apartment Hernandez was sharing at the time with Glass during an argument over a bar tab that Hernandez had paid, the report shows. Hernandez said Glass hit him in the face, but told officers he did not want to press charges because he didn't want her to go to jail, according to the report.
After police left, the couple started fighting again, resulting in officers returning to the residence after Hernandez threatened to throw out Glass’ possessions, the report says.

 

[chihuahua]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bo...story-violent-fights-police/story?id=53274743

In February 2016, police were called to an apartment Hernandez was sharing at the time with Glass during an argument over a bar tab that Hernandez had paid, the report shows. Hernandez said Glass hit him in the face, but told officers he did not want to press charges because he didn't want her to go to jail, according to the report.
After police left, the couple started fighting again, resulting in officers returning to the residence after Hernandez threatened to throw out Glass’ possessions, the report says.

Thanks for re-posting this as it makes us aware once again of exactly what was going on in the relationship and that Lucas was living in a sad sad reality.:sigh:
This part from the link where JH comments angers me:
“That really pisses me off. Only because it seems like it's about something else and it's not happening now," Hernandez said. "Now, if you want to bring that up later that's fine. That's a whole separate issue. I think it's taking away from what's happening and I don't appreciate it. Not from my family, not from strangers."
Count me in as one of the "strangers"...
Chi

 

[ESO]

The Port LOL that brings back some fun memories.

I know right?

Were you one of the people interested in helping me with my case reviews? Your inbox was full when in tried to send you the links. If you not, then disregard this [emoji16]


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