Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #17 *Arrest*

[Mama3boys]

Bringing this forward because I keep thinking Lucas will be found closer to JO. Nothing like EG kicking her in the gut even more than killing her child- she would dispose of him close to her as well. IMO

Could be on to something, sure hope the area gets checked.

 

[margarita25]

I think one benefit of PI involvement is in interviewing possible alternative leads. I would think there may be many who are intimidated by LE, possibly having prior unpleasant contact. I don't think PI's have arresting authority. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

There's a PI firm with whom I'm associated. The owner says one of the advantages of having a PI on the case is that PIs are not bound by many of the rules and regulations that LE is.

 

[Deleted member 221026]

This article is a general description of things that private investigators typically can and cannot do.

https://www.pinow.com/articles/456/what-a-private-investigator-cannot-do

 

[Paddleboarder]

I'm sure this is answered somewhere and I just can't recall or find it. But if EG killed him at home and transported him somewhere in her car wouldn't cadaver dogs have hit on something? Did cadaver dogs ever pick up any scent around the home or car?? How often are those dogs wrong?

I'm thinking also about how they searched where Sherin's body was and they never picked up her scent. People were even insisting her body had to have been moved since they searched there for her.

It was never publicly announced what type of dogs were used and whether or not they picked up a scent outside.

 

[AFTM]

Not sticking up for EG in any way but has anyone ever thought about this?
Symptoms of postpartum*depression*are similar to what happens normally following childbirth. They include difficulty sleeping, appetite changes, excessive*fatigue, decreased*libido, and frequent mood changes. However, these are also accompanied by other symptoms of major depression, which are not normal after childbirth, and may include depressed ; loss of pleasure; feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness, and helplessness; thoughts of death or*suicide*or thoughts or hurting someone else.

I mean they often kill there own child when they suffer from post partum. Now they are saying she is pregnant again. Not sure if it is rumor or not.

This would be a huge mitigating circumstance for the defense to use if they do find out she killed Lucas. ( Which I think she did)




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[AFTM]

there are also parents who kill their children out of vengeance and*rage against the other parent. They want to hurt the other parent by depriving them of their most cherished relationship. This type of infanticide is committed far more frequently by fathers but there are exceptions.. ( For some reason this is what I think went on here)


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[Amonet]

I hope someone who knows the ins and outs of PI licenses will chime in. I think it would probably be better to get a Kansas-licensed PI involved in the case, both for legal reasons and for general knowledge of the state and relationships with LE in the state. I wouldn't want to use a PI who isn't licensed in my state.

I would suggest that JH look up professional bodies for PIs and explain who he is and which case it is, and see if they can give him a few names of people licensed in Kansas who would be interested in taking the case for costs only, and then research each of them, check out their resume's (or have a relative look over them, maybe talk it over with someone from the LE/FBI side and ask if they've heard of this PI) talk to each of them and see if *he* feels this is someone he can work with.

There's no rule that says he has to go with the first PI that is recommended, especially not if he hasn't personally chatted to that person and their team.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Not sticking up for EG in any way but has anyone ever thought about this?
Symptoms of postpartum*depression*are similar to what happens normally following childbirth. They include difficulty sleeping, appetite changes, excessive*fatigue, decreased*libido, and frequent mood changes. However, these are also accompanied by other symptoms of major depression, which are not normal after childbirth, and may include depressed ; loss of pleasure; feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness, and helplessness; thoughts of death or*suicide*or thoughts or hurting someone else.

I mean they often kill there own child when they suffer from post partum. Now they are saying she is pregnant again. Not sure if it is rumor or not.

This would be a huge mitigating circumstance for the defense to use if they do find out she killed Lucas. ( Which I think she did)




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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the little girl now well over one year old, though? I know PPD can linger, but that's a bit of a stretch, IMO. Besides, EG already has a well documented history of mood swings, short temper, violent outbursts and actual physical violence against others (usually domestic or familial in nature). I think it would be tough to use PPD to explain the escalating abuse against Lucas, leading up to his disappearance. Her CE charge and the testimony/judge comments in her custody battles would suggest she is just an unfit/irresponsible parent in general. JMO, of course.

 

[AFTM]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the little girl now well over one year old, though? I know PPD can linger, but that's a bit of a stretch, IMO. Besides, EG already has a well documented history of mood swings, short temper, violent outbursts and actual physical violence against others (usually domestic or familial in nature). I think it would be tough to use PPD to explain the escalating abuse against Lucas, leading up to his disappearance. Her CE charge and the testimony/judge comments in her custody battles would suggest she is just an unfit/irresponsible parent in general. JMO, of course.

Read about it she can become psychotic and without treatment it could go on. Plus on top of it she gets pregnant again.

there are also parents who kill their children out of vengeance and*rage against the other parent. They want to hurt the other parent by depriving them of their most cherished relationship. This type of infanticide is committed far more frequently by fathers but can be committed by postpartum mothers too.

Look up Susan Smith she was still convicted because it was determined that she still knew right from wrong. There are many more cases.


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[Here&Now]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the little girl now well over one year old, though? I know PPD can linger, but that's a bit of a stretch, IMO. Besides, EG already has a well documented history of mood swings, short temper, violent outbursts and actual physical violence against others (usually domestic or familial in nature). I think it would be tough to use PPD to explain the escalating abuse against Lucas, leading up to his disappearance. Her CE charge and the testimony/judge comments in her custody battles would suggest she is just an unfit/irresponsible parent in general. JMO, of course.

SBBM - I just want to take your words, and say something that I have been pondering. Are some of those marks on Lucas possibly from JH? Maybe this is why he cut off his own family, for fear that Lucas would get too comfortable discussing the marks. I, IMO, JH & LH loved each other very much, but JH possibly had a short fuse as well. Not nearly to the extent as EG, and I don't think his fuse would have ever been lit without EG as an instigator.

Example - kids are running and screaming like kids do, and EG throws a fit about "I just put the baby to sleep..blah blah blah"..as one of them runs by (maybe LH), Jonathan (now angry) grabs his arm (hard enough to leave bruises), and says "stop running and screaming. we've told you over and over!" No one see's this as abuse in their house because there was no shoving, pushing, spanking, etc. However there are instances of JH losing his cool, as referenced in police visits & allegations with EG's ex saying it happened more than once in 6 months.
I for one had a stern father that could leave a bruise with a grab. Just a thought & opinion that I have not seen thrown out there. But if they do feed off of each other's violence, and neither has had a problem with it in the past it may play into his guilt now and not wanting to admit she "could" go too far.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article208094544.html - just a reference for the abuse against JH

 

[Deleted member 221026]

I would suggest that JH look up professional bodies for PIs and explain who he is and which case it is, and see if they can give him a few names of people licensed in Kansas who would be interested in taking the case for costs only, and then research each of them, check out their resume's (or have a relative look over them, maybe talk it over with someone from the LE/FBI side and ask if they've heard of this PI) talk to each of them and see if *he* feels this is someone he can work with.

There's no rule that says he has to go with the first PI that is recommended, especially not if he hasn't personally chatted to that person and their team.

Kansas Licensed Private Detectives - Revised 4-9-18
Office of Attorney General Derek Schmidt
Kansas Private Detective Licensing Unit


https://ag.ks.gov/licensing/pi-licensing

 

[HayLouise]

Haven’t listened yet but just noticed a new Nancy Grace podcast - ‘What happened to little Lucas Hernandez’


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[Sadiebhoff]

Hiring a PI doesn't mean a arrest or a conviction. They just gather information and give their opinion. I don't think the PI is going to get a confession out of EG.

I would think Tim Miller and TXEQ would be better at finding Lucas if they had a concrete direction to go. all imo jmo and moo

Forgive me if this has been answered, I’m trying to catch up. Can a PI interview EG if she is in custody? If so, would ithe conversation be recorded/monitored?

For those of you who have followed similar cases, are PI’s often hired by families during an open investigation? Lucas has been missing almost 8 weeks, which is horrific and must be excruciatingly painful for the family.

Eight weeks isn’t necessarily a long investigation. I don’t believe LE is out of ideas/leads nor do I believe this is a cold case. It was mentioned Klein was the top choice because no local PI’s would take the case. Do you decline to represent was because they didn’t want to risk corrupting the investigative work of the LE team?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


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[Amonet]

Haven’t listened yet but just noticed a new Nancy Grace podcast - ‘What happened to little Lucas Hernandez’


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Trying to listen now, but it's about Chandra Levy at the moment and nothing said that suggests it will turn to Lucas later in the podcast?

Ok Lucas @ 10 mins into the podcast. Listening now.

 

[AFTM]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the little girl now well over one year old, though? I know PPD can linger, but that's a bit of a stretch, IMO. Besides, EG already has a well documented history of mood swings, short temper, violent outbursts and actual physical violence against others (usually domestic or familial in nature). I think it would be tough to use PPD to explain the escalating abuse against Lucas, leading up to his disappearance. Her CE charge and the testimony/judge comments in her custody battles would suggest she is just an unfit/irresponsible parent in general. JMO, of course.

Postpartum can last three years if left untreated correctly. Look it up. Can also turn psychotic. This compounded with her history would be deadly.

She can be all of these things. Studies are showing that some women already have the postpartum tendencies. Underlying issues before becoming full blown after child birth. They had problems before...
EG differently fits this description.
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[Amonet]

NG has brought up Cook....A name some of you will recognize... I'm 26 mins into the podcast and heard that name and I'm trying to take deep breaths and not shout and scream at the computer.

I'm going to take a break from listening and come back to it later. NG has covered the OG stuff, she has Mark Klaas(sp?) on there, and he made a wonderful comment to the effect of LE ARE going to find out what happened.

 

[Amonet]

Postpartum can last three years if left untreated correctly. Look it up. Can also turn psychotic.

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I looked up psychosis killers earlier when pregnancy induced psychosis was brought up, and the few cases I saw were more of the type of a parent murdering their child(ren) and phoning the police and admitting what they'd done...sometimes under the psychosis-induced impression that it was some kind of mercy killing.

I don't think that fits with Lucas' disappearance.

 

[AFTM]

I looked up psychosis killers earlier when pregnancy induced psychosis was brought up, and the few cases I saw were more of the type of a parent murdering their child(ren) and phoning the police and admitting what they'd done...sometimes under the psychosis-induced impression that it was some kind of mercy killing.

I don't think that fits with Lucas' disappearance.

The jealousy aspect does. EG was jealous so she took something someone else loved away from them. Either to get back at JO or JH. Or jealous of the attention Lucas took from her child. Yes it does fit. Could of been the simple fact that she thought JH loved Lucas more than her child.

IT FITS

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[Kivalina]

I’m angry that Lucas is still out there. This is maddening. Someone has to spill the beans. Enough is enough. Jmo


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Me as well. If he is alive I want him brought back and it explained how he got out of the house without walking out or being carried out( LE words not mine) .. If he isn't alive I just want him found. <modsnip>I just want all of it over.

 

[Jewels53]

Trying to listen now, but it's about Chandra Levy at the moment and nothing said that suggests it will turn to Lucas later in the podcast?

Ok Lucas @ 10 mins into the podcast. Listening now.

Can you provide a link?