Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #27

[AgeofAquaruis]

I wouldn't go so far as to say JH was beating her son(s). He did push him that left marks tho. I'm going to need to hear more before I can state that JH was a child beater. EG was a child beater.

Key words "He left Marks". Enough said. Sadly Lucas is not the only child victim here. There are other children victimized. Let's not forget about them like Lucas was forgotten about before he was murdered. They need protection,and care.
I for one will not gloss over this fact.

 

[ScarlettLin]

Since she is not being charged as of now, IMO she would have to pay for a private attorney herself and not be provided a free state attorney....IMO her parents and friends did not come up with bail money as it was a lot, so I doubt they would pay for a private attorney, that would be costly and I do not see a private attorney giving their services free to EG.

Any lawyer on here willing to chime in?

We do know her first stop upon release was the public defender’s office and she was accompanied out of jail by ‘her’ attorney reportedly. Beyond that I have no clue. I was curious about the PD office previously because the right to a PD and being assigned one doesn’t happen until formal charges are filed.

 

[ScarlettLin]

I really don’t think she has an attorney advising her right now but I suppose it could be possible. I know that JLP was assigned to her by the court but could it be possible that she’s still advising EG? Possibly. The information I’ve read on JLP suggests that she’s an up and coming attorney, she’s gotten EG off on CE charges and through that I’m sure has an interest in the case for Lucas. Could JLP be advising EG and be willing to take on any charges that come for Lucas pro bono? I could see that as a strong possibility. All JMHO

The attorney that was reportedly her attorney and accompanied her from jail was an older gentleman and definitely not JLP

 

[Busylady]

The only thing I can come up with on PD office is it had to do with something for JH case or the CINC case. I don't know if on the CINC case she has to report her status, living arrangement etc or if she is able to see baby M.

 

[ScarlettLin]

The only thing I can come up with on PD office is it had to do with something for JH case or the CINC case. I don't know if on the CINC case she has to report her status, living arrangement etc or if she is able to see baby M.

I don’t think the CINC case allows or affords the right to use a PD. It’s not technically criminal it’s family court so that doesn’t even make sense to my mind... possibly JH case but why stop, and why the first stop- couldn’t that be taken care of with a phone call? His next date isn’t til July.... I’m just so confuzzled by that little piece of the puzzle

 

[kkdj]

I don’t think the CINC case allows or affords the right to use a PD. It’s not technically criminal it’s family court so that doesn’t even make sense to my mind... possibly JH case but why stop, and why the first stop- couldn’t that be taken care of with a phone call? His next date isn’t til July.... I’m just so confuzzled by that little piece of the puzzle

Other crimes she is a witness to? Or knowledge of other crimes?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

We do know her first stop upon release was the public defender’s office and she was accompanied out of jail by ‘her’ attorney reportedly. Beyong that I have no clue. I was curious about the PD office previously because the right to a PD and being assigned one doesn’t happen until formal charges are filed.

Not necessarily. On rare occasions there are appointments. She most likely had an attorney acting in her behalf when he most likely told the DA TO CHARGE HER IN THE OBSTRUCTION OR RELEASE HER.

AN APPOINTING JUDGE OR THE PDS OFFICE is going to err on the side of caution regarding her every right to legal counsel. If she asked for a lawyer before release I’m betting she got one.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I don’t think the CINC case allows or affords the right to use a PD. It’s not technically criminal it’s family court so that doesn’t even make sense to my mind... possibly JH case but why stop, and why the first stop- couldn’t that be taken care of with a phone call? His next date isn’t til July.... I’m just so confuzzled by that little piece of the puzzle

She can be appointed an attorney in CINC. I ONCE WAS involved in a case with 9 separate lawyers. Each child had one each child agency had one, the police had a city attorney and casa and guardian ad litem had one although she was an attorney herself.

So yes everybody gets a lawyer.

 

[castilloisno1]

Disability....Can I Go on Disability Because of Severe Endometriosis? It is not considered in the government's formula for diseases that get you ready acceptance to obtaining it. You also have had paid into Social Security for so long and worked so many years. It is not easy for a young person to get it. I don't think she gets disability,but she might get SSI....supplemental security income(but one has to have a declared disability to get it)..She seems to get around all these things.

 

[Busylady]

I don’t think the CINC case allows or affords the right to use a PD. It’s not technically criminal it’s family court so that doesn’t even make sense to my mind... possibly JH case but why stop, and why the first stop- couldn’t that be taken care of with a phone call? His next date isn’t til July.... I’m just so confuzzled by that little piece of the puzzle

I was confused about the attorney situation when this first came out the handbook for Kansas discusses how attorney situation works starting on page 22. I have no clue if one was appointed to her or not - or if it is a different department than the PD office?
http://www.dcf.ks.gov/services/PPS/Documents/PPM_Forms/Section_5000_Forms/PPS5137.pdf

 

[flute4peace]

She can be appointed an attorney in CINC. I ONCE WAS involved in a case with 9 separate lawyers. Each child had one each child agency had one, the police had a city attorney and casa and guardian ad litem had one although she was an attorney herself.

So yes everybody gets a lawyer.

I think this is part of the problem here in KS. There is so much overlap and waste of resources/funds. While I understand & support the need for representation for safety reasons, it can really get ridiculous here.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Key words "He left Marks". Enough said. Sadly Lucas is not the only child victim here. There are other children victimized. Let's not forget about them like Lucas was forgotten about before he was murdered. They need protection,and care.
I for one will not gloss over this fact.

Let’s see evidence and wait for hearing. I have a hard time understanding that the skin was red but not bruised 24 hours post.

There are very precise cameras and lenses that capture deep tissue injury in abuse cases but I’ve never seen red usually a darkened area. But new tech pops up all the time. That description doesn’t fit with what I know so I’m waiting to see what clarification the evidence brings to light.

I’m just cautious and don’t hate me for sharing this, in several cases in the end it was found that people manufactured abuse marks. Not often but it happens. Then the victim is coached and threatened to lie.

 

[Busylady]

The affidavit regard JH and the battery charge

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/JONATHAN+HERNANDEZ.pdf

I am sure hoping we don't go down the road that the child is lying about what happened, we should not make him more a victim than he already is by not believing him.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Let’s see evidence and wait for hearing. I have a hard time understanding that the skin was red but not bruised 24 hours post.

There are very precise cameras and lenses that capture deep tissue injury in abuse cases but I’ve never seen red usually a darkened area. But new tech pops up all the time. That description doesn’t fit with what I know so I’m waiting to see what clarification the evidence brings to light.

I’m just cautious and don’t hate me for sharing this, in several cases in the end it was found that people manufactured abuse marks. Not often but it happens. Then the victim is coached and threatened to lie.

This willingness to look the other way, is exactly what led to Lucas continued abuse to death. So much photo evidence, so many reports, yet here we are. Lucas is dead. Thankfully these boys have a Daddy who will stand up for them.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Above BBM. Why do you think it took Marshburn for JH to have this massive wake up call? His own family had been pointing out the same things to him for over a year. I'm sure he was 100% defensive with his family - and obviously put up a brick wall and wouldn't even entertain their concerns as truth.....

If his wake up call has truly sunk in.....I'm very glad, but why did it take hearing it from Marshburn? Maybe he was able to get through to him without Emily interference?

I think in the same way DM has been able to read suspects, he read JH and knew what to say and how and when to say it.

 

[ScarlettLin]

I was confused about the attorney situation when this first came out the handbook for Kansas discusses how attorney situation works starting on page 22. I have no clue if one was appointed to her or not - or if it is a different department than the PD office?
http://www.dcf.ks.gov/services/PPS/Documents/PPM_Forms/Section_5000_Forms/PPS5137.pdf

That’s definitely interesting and thanks for the link. I had a friend go through family court about 16 years ago, and an attorney at that time was out of your own pocket, they had some sliding scale fee ones available but none ‘assigned’ by the Court for the adults involved

 

[ScarlettLin]

Let’s see evidence and wait for hearing. I have a hard time understanding that the skin was red but not bruised 24 hours post.

There are very precise cameras and lenses that capture deep tissue injury in abuse cases but I’ve never seen red usually a darkened area. But new tech pops up all the time. That description doesn’t fit with what I know so I’m waiting to see what clarification the evidence brings to light.

I’m just cautious and don’t hate me for sharing this, in several cases in the end it was found that people manufactured abuse marks. Not often but it happens. Then the victim is coached and threatened to lie.

The photos were taken by the boy’s father and viewed by the responding officer and entered into evidence. I didn’t see reference to any special CSI camera being used...

 

[papixee]

Oh boy. I am fully prepared for backlash on this, but it's only my opinion and the way I see things based on my own life experiences.

I don't really put Jonathan on the same shelf as people like EG. I don't even really consider what he did abuse. Was it a bad way of handling things? Yes. Absolutely. But he pushed the kid. Roughly maybe, but he pushed him down onto a couch. He left red marks, not bruises. And so what if he used a "loud voice". I do too. All. The. Time. It's the only voice my teen daughter understands. We are raising a generation of children who are too coddled and have no coping skills. And this systematic outcry of "OMG, he pushed that kid", or "OMG, he yells at his kids" is a huge contributor to that. Jamie has told us that Jonathan is not an abuser. I was not in that house that day, nor were any of us. We don't know how it all went down. I personally think everyone involved was over reacting. Does this excuse JH from not protecting Lucas? NO WAY. But I also don't doubt that he loved Lucas and never did anything to harm him. I am well aware I am in a lonely corner on this. That's ok.

 

[AlwaysHopeToHelp]

I appreciate your insight, and have looked. Our lives appear enough testament that our pasts are not our present nor future.
Whatever meager offense EG 'suffered' was nothing to what any of us have overcome.

She loves torturing little boys, nothing wrong to admitting it. It's a sad history tracing far back on my maternal side, women simply 'spoiled the girls & beat the boys'.

Going off actions, EG's an entitled, self-obsessed, spoiled & miserable textbook example of what an abuser looks like, and has no idea what it means to endure in spite of all odds.
'I can't do jail'

Oh do shut-up, you loud, lowing cow. It's just an expense free vacation. Not like anyone's making you do or deal with anything in there, food you don't have to buy or cook, fresh linens all week without any effort, all the TV you can handle and a bunch of friends to chatter with. Just like home, only no one to please or answer to.

When the bs excuse rolls round in the case I'd love to see some character studies brought out about what an anomaly beating little boys to death is, except as pertains to serials and sadists.

BBM, I totally started imagining her lowing like a cow! I LOVE this!

 

[Busylady]

Oh boy. I am fully prepared for backlash on this, but it's only my opinion and the way I see things based on my own life experiences.

I don't really put Jonathan on the same shelf as people like EG. I don't even really consider what he did abuse. Was it a bad way of handling things? Yes. Absolutely. But he pushed the kid. Roughly maybe, but he pushed him down onto a couch. He left red marks, not bruises. And so what if he used a "loud voice". I do too. All. The. Time. It's the only voice my teen daughter understands. We are raising a generation of children who are too coddled and have no coping skills. And this systematic outcry of "OMG, he pushed that kid", or "OMG, he yells at his kids" is a huge contributor to that. Jamie has told us that Jonathan is not an abuser. I was not in that house that day, nor were any of us. We don't know how it all went down. I personally think everyone involved was over reacting. Does this excuse JH from not protecting Lucas? NO WAY. But I also don't doubt that he loved Lucas and never did anything to harm him. I am well aware I am in a lonely corner on this. That's ok.

I respect your viewpoint on the situation even though I disagree. IMO leaving distinct marks of three finger prints three hours later that were raised and red is more than a push. I also understand JO said JH was not an abuser, but she hasn't been with him for 4 years, she really has no idea how he behaves or "disciplines" the children in his home behind closed doors. We don't see things the same way but thats ok we can sit in the corner together.