Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #28

[Amonet]

I am hoping PerfectingPink is still keeping an eye on the register of arrests!

Although, even if there is an autopsy report, it might remain preliminary until the tox results come in? And they might decide to wait for the final report before making any arrests.

 

[Kivalina]

That's what I'm wondering. And if so then the man she was smoking with on the porch on the 11th wouldn't have been her ex.

It was the homeless man she was smoking with. I can almost see it in back of my mind.

 

[gngr~snap]

There’s something odd about the gardening. Perhaps the debris DID come from her front yard that covered Lucas’ body.

Maybe she was testing the dirt to see if it would be possible to bury him (which she decided against)

Possibly far-fetched, but maybe she did bury some type of criminal evidence in the garden— something incriminating... possibly with blood on it. Clothing? Murder weapon?

Not a supporter of EG, but TULIPS...
Q&A: When Is It Too Late to Plant Bulbs?

 

[perfectingpink]

I am hoping PerfectingPink is still keeping an eye on the register of arrests!

Although, even if there is an autopsy report, it might remain preliminary until the tox results come in? And they might decide to wait for the final report before making any arrests.

Watching and waiting.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

The intersection here has 3 lanes going each way N/S. Which is Edgemoore. The actual highway is underneath which is Kellogg that runs East/West. If you are driving West on Kellogg and got off on the access rd. leading to Edgemoore to do a left turn to head back West on opposite access rd...there is a crosswalk and a very narrow sharp turn. This is also where the VA is located on the North corner. There have been numerous accidents here. If this was somehow staged...it would not be hard. If it was truly an accident...I can believe that too.

ok. Let me ask this. The above link also refers to Oliver.

(Las Vegas has this where a street changes names and 10 miles down the road reverts to the original, and changes north to south when you go from city to county. It drove me absolutely crazy when I first moved here, especially when I had to use a temp. Flip phone). I use gps anytime I leave my own little enclave here in Summerlin.

Does Oliver run close to Edgemoor? Would it have been a top option for EG to choose when looking for a disposal site. She wouldn’t have gone to the south east because that was the area she attended high school.

Just trying to get an understanding of the area. The pic of the intersection was very helpful.

And I’m beginning to understand the repeated searched of Chisholm Park. I get that the park is on the same n/ s road as where she dumped remains. I guess where I’m still confused is where the house is in relationship to all of above.

Thanks that pic went a long way to understsndvthe lay out. Now I’m off to google maps to figure out the rest.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Thank you! Glad to have you out here at WS!

Ditto.

 

[kikukohime]

I think like other posters have said, JH is trying to work things out.
In the past week, I lost a young family member unexpectedly, who wasn't much older than Lucas, to a brief illness. We thought it was getting better, the doctors were positive that it wasn't a fatal condition and would respond well to treatment and he had a long normal life ahead of him, so because I was lucky enough to be in a position to do so, I stopped work to take care of him 24/7, because we all truly believed it was a blip and he just needed to get on the right course of treatment.
I'm sure anyone who's taken care of a sick relative can relate to this, but maybe more so if they're young - you have hope. So in JH's case, even if the child is missing, until that body is found, you have hope. It may be as plain as day that the child is more than likely deceased, but there's this hope that something will make it work out. Somehow.

In the past week where my family member went downhill, there was still hope, thinking back it was probably not as hopeful as we imagined, but the doctors were still none the wiser either - I think that's much like the situation with EG ; they didn't have concrete proof that she murdered him (nor do they yet) so JH would have that hopeful instinct to believe that EG wasn't responsible and it was all a terrible mix up and that maybe Lucas was OK etc.

In my case, my family member went down hill in a matter of hours, for reasons that have baffled even the specialists and even though they tried hard to save him, it was too much for him to survive and we had to make the decision to let him go.
When I was half asleep last night, processing everything that'd happened, my mind was still in the phase of "but we could..." then I remembered that no, it's now over with, he's passed. I think it's a natural inbuilt instinct where even though the circumstances change - a passing or the locating of Lucas, your mind still defaults to the buts, the maybes, the logical processing methods that you use when trying to solve a problem that has no reasonable answer. I think for JH that may be the case, as yes, he has more information, he knows EG placed the body in the culvert so he knows she's the last one to see him, that she held his dead body and that she hid it from him and didn't tell anyone Lucas was out there, but his brain is probably fighting that "But..what if..." motion.

I think a lot of people can relate to this comparison and whilst JH isn't an angel or even been a help to himself in this situation, I think the obvious fact is this is incredibly hard to process and he's not at his best whatsoever, no one thinks a situation will end in your partner having a hand in the death of your child, so he's going to come off as a whilst he works it out - but he's clearly having to process it, fight it and process it again, IMO anyway.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Watching and waiting.
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Pink is the woman and Mr Pink the man. Might both be short in stature (pinks past comments) but both are giant when it comes to giving us dependable completely reliable info.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I think like other posters have said, JH is trying to work things out.
In the past week, I lost a young family member unexpectedly, who wasn't much older than Lucas, to a brief illness. We thought it was getting better, the doctors were positive that it wasn't a fatal condition and would respond well to treatment and he had a long normal life ahead of him, so because I was lucky enough to be in a position to do so, I stopped work to take care of him 24/7, because we all truly believed it was a blip and he just needed to get on the right course of treatment.
I'm sure anyone who's taken care of a sick relative can relate to this, but maybe more so if they're young - you have hope. So in JH's case, even if the child is missing, until that body is found, you have hope. It may be as plain as day that the child is more than likely deceased, but there's this hope that something will make it work out. Somehow.

In the past week where my family member went downhill, there was still hope, thinking back it was probably not as hopeful as we imagined, but the doctors were still none the wiser either - I think that's much like the situation with EG ; they didn't have concrete proof that she murdered him (nor do they yet) so JH would have that hopeful instinct to believe that EG wasn't responsible and it was all a terrible mix up and that maybe Lucas was OK etc.

In my case, my family member went down hill in a matter of hours, for reasons that have baffled even the specialists and even though they tried hard to save him, it was too much for him to survive and we had to make the decision to let him go.
When I was half asleep last night, processing everything that'd happened, my mind was still in the phase of "but we could..." then I remembered that no, it's now over with, he's passed. I think it's a natural inbuilt instinct where even though the circumstances change - a passing or the locating of Lucas, your mind still defaults to the buts, the maybes, the logical processing methods that you use when trying to solve a problem that has no reasonable answer. I think for JH that may be the case, as yes, he has more information, he knows EG placed the body in the culvert so he knows she's the last one to see him, that she held his dead body and that she hid it from him and didn't tell anyone Lucas was out there, but his brain is probably fighting that "But..what if..." motion.

I think a lot of people can relate to this comparison and whilst JH isn't an angel or even been a help to himself in this situation, I think the obvious fact is this is incredibly hard to process and he's not at his best whatsoever, no one thinks a situation will end in your partner having a hand in the death of your child, so he's going to come off as a whilst he works it out - but he's clearly having to process it, fight it and process it again, IMO anyway.

You explained that beautifully. And it’s a sub stage of the grieving process. I’ve linked it before and can link it again.

Death , and in particular the death of a child is one of the top life stressors. A violent unexpected death(motor vehicle accident, murder, abuse) is even worse. You don’t get to say I love you one last time and find a thousand things you should have said or done.

And in this case you’re spot on, someone you loved is most likely responsible.

Making it much harder is that this family is trying to grieve in the public with reporters, lawyers, law enforcement and nosy nellies all bothering them. LE is necessary but they are trained to do their jobs compassionately under these circumstances.

It would be a guess that EG is still trying to get in touch with JH to clear herself. She may realize she just wrecked the best relationship she will ever have. Does it bother her to understand that, I truly don’t know. Her attempts are motivated by her own selfish reasons, and not to comfort anyone but herself. People like that aren’t capable of true love and in the end sacrifice every one who believes she cares. EG cares only for EG. THATS HER end run. Her moral to her story.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Remind me again how a homeless man was brought into the equation. Who and when brought this into play. And why are we just now hearing of it?

MZ. Glass mentioned him,trying to frame him. Just like Susan Smith cried it was the black guy. She did throw in he was with a white woman,probably to make herself not seem like a racist.
Her own words out of her own mouth,in her jail interview. She tried to pin it on him.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Link to lingo list:

Websleuths Lingo

Awesome and helpful us old people call them acronyms. I still have trouble with memes emigues and remember when coke was a soft drink. And snorting was a noise you never wanted to have behind you from a moose or a bull. ( as in cow). So thank you for providing the list. It might be the one good thing I learn today and every day.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

MZ. Glass mentioned him,trying to frame him. Just like Susan Smith cried it was the black guy. She did throw in he was with a white woman,probably to make herself not seem like a racist.
Her own words out of her own mouth,in her jail interview. She tried to pin it on him.

Did she mention him (homeless man) in the jail interview? I thought Marshburn brought it up in NG podcast.

I remember she referred to the couple outside the house that she photographed but I don’t recall her mentioning an overnight guest.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Hope this helps but I’m on iPhone 6plus and no numbers that I see, if you see them can you circle and send back? Thanks in advance <3

My I phone 6 as well.

I’ve taken care of this phone as I’m hard on them. And darn I’m waiting as long as possible to buy the new 10. My son just did with buds case and screen protector $1,400.00. I darn near fainted.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

MZ. Glass mentioned him,trying to frame him. Just like Susan Smith cried it was the black guy. She did throw in he was with a white woman,probably to make herself not seem like a racist.
Her own words out of her own mouth,in her jail interview. She tried to pin it on him.

I agree and what’s more she’s thought about how to pin it on everyone.

 

[NervousNellie]

Thank you for the sympathy, I appreciate it.

When my mum died, I remember terrible tears to begin with, it was an unexpected death. But after that my dad wanted me to get back to normal asap. We ended up basically both going through the motions because we had to, other than the day of the funeral I cried myself to sleep every night and tried not to cry in the daytime, and as he didn't show too much in the daytime, and I think he was doing the same and crying himself to sleep.

Then when my dad died, I was the next of kin/estate executor, so there was the notifying of relatives, organizing the funeral, writing and receiving letters and phone calls notifying the bank, the insurance, etc. I look back and I don't know how I did it. It's like the world has ended and yet you're still doing things like a zombie.

I can’t just “like” this. I’m so sorry for you loss, particularly both parents at such a young age. I can’t even imagine. I hope you can feel the many virtual hugs you are being sent- I’m sure I’m not the only one.

 

[ScarlettLin]

Who can tell me the location where the victim was hit by the car...Woodlawn and Kellogg or Meridian and Kellogg? or neither

Neither. It was near Oliver on Kellogg

 

[ScarlettLin]

ok. Let me ask this. The above link also refers to Oliver.

(Las Vegas has this where a street changes names and 10 miles down the road reverts to the original, and changes north to south when you go from city to county. It drove me absolutely crazy when I first moved here, especially when I had to use a temp. Flip phone). I use gps anytime I leave my own little enclave here in Summerlin.

Does Oliver run close to Edgemoor? Would it have been a top option for EG to choose when looking for a disposal site. She wouldn’t have gone to the south east because that was the area she attended high school.

Just trying to get an understanding of the area. The pic of the intersection was very helpful.

And I’m beginning to understand the repeated searched of Chisholm Park. I get that the park is on the same n/ s road as where she dumped remains. I guess where I’m still confused is where the house is in relationship to all of above.

Thanks that pic went a long way to understsndvthe lay out. Now I’m off to google maps to figure out the rest.

Oliver and Edgemoor run parallel N-S and Kellogg runs E-W. There are smaller streets in between but these are ‘main intersecting streets’
Kellogg is also US54/400
https://www.google.com/search?q=kel...,+ks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

 

[Jules_SA]

I am still catching up on the thread so please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

But, if Lucas was deceased, as alleged, by the 11th, then EG selling their shoes online should be really out of place, IMO. Because, IIRC, she advertised those for sale (hers - $5) and for giveaway (Lucas') 2 days before she reported him "missing". Which would be around the 15th - which we now know is after he was possibly gone.

Now I do wonder if she was trying to either get rid of evidence, or encourage a 3rd party into the house to collect freebie shoes, in order to have "stranger" dna in the house....or have someone else to frame...

Either way, if Lucas was already gone, selling a pair of shoes for 5 bucks and giving another pair away seems a really callous bit of business to be preoccupied with at a time like that...

All just MOO and thinking out loud...

 

[Jules_SA]

Deleting double post x Sorry!

 

[Insomnia Momma]

When JH started talking about Lucas on NG in response to her question, she cut him off. I got the feeling he would have carried on talking for an hour or more if she'd let him and he was just starting at the beginning? JO has also referenced Lucas' early days and how he was a little fighter.

I did get a sense from the interview that he was still trying to work through it all in his head, and that he was feeling confusion over what did happen. And that a part of him still wants to go back into the denial.

JH said that the only version he knows is really what DM has told him of EG's claim that she found Lucas dead in his bed, and that when she called JH from jail that she didn't give him any more clarity or explanation, only that she'd panicked and that's why she didn't call 911. So I think in that situation anyone would be asking themselves, "if that really happened, why/how could Lucas have passed in his sleep?"

I thought he did give a reply that included his thinking of why/how by saying that Lucas had been sick, was given Zofran and maybe the Zofran was bad or something, at the least it wasn’t working. That’s not word for word and I didn’t listen to the podcast, I only read the transcription Kadoober did. I got the impression JH was still trying to fit Lucas’ death as an accident and it pretty much told me that he is still backing EG by providing her another excuse. All JMO of course.