Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #29

[tnith]

Is CR the homeless man? If he is mentioned in a MSM article or by @FindLucasAllen, that may be discussed. He's not open for sleuthing, otherwise, though.

I understand if the articles of 'other/new players on the field' are not directly referencing this case, they are not admissible?

Trying to abide by both TOS and my conscious... Either way, I don't believe a certain family should be a part of the case despite EG's decisions.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Yes, CR is the homeless man who is now deceased.

Thank you.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

IMO, JH is lying so much because he is super concerned with the public thinking he was father of the year... not necessarily because he was involved or knows anything. Although, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he was involved or knows something. I think he lied about facetiming with Lucas, and I think the reason is that he doesn't want people to know he hadn't bothered to speak with his children for over a week. He just keeps saying he loves Lucas and people know what kind of father he is. Yeah, we know, and we're far from impressed.

I cannot agree more.
That doesn't indicate legal guilt or participation. Yes, he hurt EG's son, and he should answer for that. But I'm not convinced that there was a history of it with him.
I know so many parents -- especially now in the SM age -- who care more about "parenting PR" than they do about parenting itself. They swell up on compliments about their parenting while their children stay lonely or troubled. Sometimes people aren't even trying to puff themselves up -- just trying to take the "higher road" and dealing with events as they occur, confused about what the higher road is in that moment. At any given moment, one of them could deal with things I don't wish on any parent - a missing child, a dead child, an abused child.
JH now has to deal with himself. At best, he completely missed how much Lucas suffered. At best. He also treated the mother of Lucas like carp. Legal ramifications aside, public comments aside, he has to be starting to wake up to some kind of internal hell.

 

[flute4peace]

I understand if the articles of 'other/new players on the field' are not directly referencing this case, they are not admissible?

Trying to abide by both TOS and my conscious... Either way, I don't believe a certain family should be a part of the case despite EG's decisions.

When in doubt, always listen to your conscience.

 

[PetDetective]

I cannot agree more.
That doesn't indicate legal guilt or participation. Yes, he hurt EG's son, and he should answer for that. But I'm not convinced that there was a history of it with him.
I know so many parents -- especially now in the SM age -- who care more about "parenting PR" than they do about parenting itself. They swell up on compliments about their parenting while their children stay lonely or troubled. Sometimes people aren't even trying to puff themselves up -- just trying to take the "higher road" and dealing with events as they occur, confused about what the higher road is in that moment. At any given moment, one of them could deal with things I don't wish on any parent - a missing child, a dead child, an abused child.
JH now has to deal with himself. At best, he completely missed how much Lucas suffered. At best. He also treated the mother of Lucas like carp. Legal ramifications aside, public comments aside, he has to be starting to wake up to some kind of internal hell.

The simple fact that he is consumed mostly by his public persona at a time when he just found out his runner-up baby mama dumped his son’s body in a culvert and kept it from him for 3 months alone would be enough to make me look at him sideways.

Not that I believe this, I am just looking at your scenario hypothetically.

 

[liltexans]

I understand if the articles of 'other/new players on the field' are not directly referencing this case, they are not admissible?

Trying to abide by both TOS and my conscious... Either way, I don't believe a certain family should be a part of the case despite EG's decisions.

There’s really no reason to discuss CR that I know of, other than his name being dragged into this case by EG.

 

[enw10110]

I cannot agree more.
That doesn't indicate legal guilt or participation. Yes, he hurt EG's son, and he should answer for that. But I'm not convinced that there was a history of it with him.
I know so many parents -- especially now in the SM age -- who care more about "parenting PR" than they do about parenting itself. They swell up on compliments about their parenting while their children stay lonely or troubled. Sometimes people aren't even trying to puff themselves up -- just trying to take the "higher road" and dealing with events as they occur, confused about what the higher road is in that moment. At any given moment, one of them could deal with things I don't wish on any parent - a missing child, a dead child, an abused child.
JH now has to deal with himself. At best, he completely missed how much Lucas suffered. At best. He also treated the mother of Lucas like carp. Legal ramifications aside, public comments aside, he has to be starting to wake up to some kind of internal hell.

BBM

Oh, I definitely think he abused Lucas. Why else would he have not even bothered to ask where all of his bruises came from? He said on the NG podcast that he knew of one situation that had an explanation and the rest "he didn't know". He didn't know because he didn't care. Why else would he get so offended and defensive when people mentioned abuse? He thought EG was a great mom because she probably parented the same way he did... by smacking the kids around.

He also described his relationship with EG as "effortless". With all of the DV incidents, I have no idea what that even means. That it was easy to dodge when she swung an axe handle at him? And what kind of parent leaves their kid with someone who attacks THEM like that? One who doesn't care.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Yes, CR is the homeless man who is now deceased.

Thank you.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Well that is dumb...lol. But this is across the highway. The address is EG house was correct....

I think it's just like any other crime reported in the news media -- LE gives a hundred block and that's it. The actual address matriculates. LE has never given an exact address for the Hernandez-Glass household, but it is now known.
In the case of CR, we have to be careful just plugging in 5200 or 5500 -- it gives you random spots, such as the VA hospital. We can't link to comments by witnesses because they're found on SM only -- we can link articles and people are free to read the comments on the articles. In the case of CR, it was not "across" the highway -- it was on the same side. South, eastbound. Wichita police identify homeless man killed in hit-and-run

 

[enw10110]

Who is "KSI" who wrote the sign in the picture in this article?

When did Lucas Hernandez die? No reported confirmed sightings of the 5-yr-old since Feb. 11, a week before reported missing

 

[katydid23]

I think JH mentioned on Nancy Grace that EG was staying with an Aunt just before DM came to question her

Yes, and that confused me, because DM also said he asked JH to go and to leave them alone together, so JH went on back to work.

But if EG was at her Aunt's house, why would JH be asked to go and leave DM and EG alone?

 

[Kamm5]

I assumed it meant Kansas Search team. Misty cox but now looking wouldn’t that be KST

 

[hopingicanhelp]

The simple fact that he is consumed mostly by his public persona at a time when he just found out his runner-up baby mama dumped his son’s body in a culvert and kept it from him for 3 months alone would be enough to make me look at him sideways.

Not that I believe this, I am just looking at your scenario hypothetically.

I should clarify -- I don't think JH is necessarily a "PR parent" ordinarily -- but his son was "kidnapped" and he was trying to control the chaos in the way he knew how or felt was right.
I think it's a combination -- he wants to continue looking good while in his mind people are trying to tear apart his family. IMO --this was the belief he held on to -- JO was trying to get Lucas out of the home with her complaint and her campaign to get his own family involved. He had to believe they were all in on it together and hiding Lucas away from him. So minimizing household troubles/concerns and disparaging the "enemy" was what his world became until Lucas was found. While I wish he could have banded with JO, he didn't. I have to look at why.
I never looked at JH's SM prior to Lucas going missing so I have no idea what he "put out" prior to this -- but monitoring it for the duration, it seemed he reacted when made aware but wasn't a SM parent as a habit, kwim?
His faults considered, I firmly believe EG did a number on him and it will take time for him to realize each and every time she lied. I'm sure he had his moments that what he logically knew crept in, but it hurt too much and he felt his life depended on believing that Lucas was alive.

 

[Kamm5]

Who is "KSI" who wrote the sign in the picture in this article?

When did Lucas Hernandez die? No reported confirmed sightings of the 5-yr-old since Feb. 11, a week before reported missing

Thought I had quote in .. misty cox? Search team

 

[enw10110]

Another thing about my rant about how I think JH abused Lucas. Remember in JO's interview she said EG dropped LH off with her for a funeral with two black eyes? JO called JH who sent EG back to get LH again because he was afraid JO would take him to the ER.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

BBM

Oh, I definitely think he abused Lucas. Why else would he have not even bothered to ask where all of his bruises came from? He said on the NG podcast that he knew of one situation that had an explanation and the rest "he didn't know". He didn't know because he didn't care. Why else would he get so offended and defensive when people mentioned abuse? He thought EG was a great mom because she probably parented the same way he did... by smacking the kids around.

He also described his relationship with EG as "effortless". With all of the DV incidents, I have no idea what that even means. That it was easy to dodge when she swung an axe handle at him? And what kind of parent leaves their kid with someone who attacks THEM like that? One who doesn't care.

I respectfully disagree. I think...I reserve the right to change my mind (again).

I think about JO's description of JH. If he succumbed to chaos, it was over time.

I think he loved Lucas and looked forward to time off with him. I also think he held an antiquated view of family life -- he's the working man on the long, hard road and EG was the domestic goddess.

While I believe he may have physically disciplined Lucas on occasion, I don't believe it started until after EG was in the picture -- and by this, I mean swat/spank -- not paddling, whooping, or beating. He talked about how well-behaved Lucas was; he didn't seem like someone to hide, no frustration with behavior or attempts to blame Lucas.

When he flew off the handle with EG's son, was he already tense in a fight with EG? Was he defending Lucas or MH? Was he irritated at the hypocrisy that EG had full reign over his kids but he couldn't even correct them? None of these things are excuses, but a way to understand.

I think he believed EG was his after an abusive relationship and that they were trying to make a home-sweet-home for their 2 shared children & her 2 boys. He's not stupid. But he stayed with EG after DV -- that tells me she had him in her pocket.

I also think he had a great amount of pride. Pride means you handle your own business -- it's your business, and there's no tolerance for prying. I think he *thought* he had a handle on things -- we don't know the private conversations between him & EG or what he's told LE, but I am thinking he bought EG's line -- why would she lie to him about his child? It was her "job" to care for the children. In his mind, he may have followed simple reasoning -- he didn't see bruises on her boys or MH so... Lucas must just be clumsy. He could understand it because at one time he thought Lucas would have developmental problems. Or being a boy -- in that case, even better.

We know he & EG argued. But it was "effortless" because it was easy for him to visit & leave--no doubt EG showered him with love, food, & sex when he was home. Lucas was happy to see him and sad when he left -- everything fed his idea and image of being an appreciated, hard-working husband and father.
Think about it -- it's heartbreaking to be away from family that long -- but the benefit is that there is virtually little to no responsibility when coming home. It's all good times and love and catching up.

 

[Steelslady]

Well we also know he has abuse charges against him too. He was so pissed about the abuse of Lucas coming out in the first place. Remember the interview. His voice dripped with arrogance. His little boy getting the life beat out of him on the regular. He cut off family members that reported it too.

Oh and let's not for

IMO, JH is lying so much because he is super concerned with the public thinking he was father of the year... not necessarily because he was involved or knows anything. Although, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he was involved or knows something. I think he lied about facetiming with Lucas, and I think the reason is that he doesn't want people to know he hadn't bothered to speak with his children for over a week. He just keeps saying he loves Lucas and people know what kind of father he is. Yeah, we know, and we're far from impressed.

Wouldn't LE know if he Factimed or not with Lucas? I would imagine they would be able to get that off of the computer or whichever phone Lucas would have used to talk to his father.

It was never confirmed by LE, but it wasn't denied, either. Too many open ends.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I would never do that. Not when it was my son.

 

[SweetPeas56]

Other than on NG, was LE's late night visit to the bathroom confirmed?

For those who know LE procedure, is it possible they went quietly at night in small numbers to look for something specific, rather than roll up with a whole caravan that would draw attention?

It literally gives me a stomach ache thinking about Lucas, and his sweet sweet face in his pictures, and then hoping to hear about definitive autopsy results leading to the arrest of that evil hag. The thought of an innocent child should not lead to thoughts of things like "evidence" and "autopsy". )-:

I just see him stroking, and gently laying his head down to the baby, in that video, and I think how he didn't deserve any of what he got. Maybe he was too good for this world, but I'm angry that he was failed so terribly.

Sorry for the rant. Everytime I pick up my phone, the first thing I do is look for news of an EG arrest. Throughout the day, I think of Lucas missing out on life and it just hurts my heart. I needed to vent!

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Oh and let's not for

Wouldn't LE know if he Factimed or not with Lucas? I would imagine they would be able to get that off of the computer or whichever phone Lucas would have used to talk to his father.

It was never confirmed by LE, but it wasn't denied, either. Too many open ends.

I want to take the opportunity to say that I am choosing to continue giving JH the benefit of the doubt. I am doing this because--despite his arrogance, pride, public comments, and ill treatment of JO--the circumstantial evidence adds up against EG (who had absolute freedom, imo).

Yet, I wouldn't be "surprised" if I'm wrong.

I guess I'm hoping more than anything. I'm hoping that Lucas believed he could trust his father and that he was right, but that JH couldn't see it. And I hope that this wakes JH up so much he fights for other children in his son's name.