KS - Patricia Kimmi, 58, Horton, 6 Nov 2009 - #4

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  • #281
Were there any chance that RoHo would be granted bail, I believe an arrest would immediately follow the minute he stepped out of the courtroom or the Atchison Co. jail, with charges to follow in the Kimmi matter. But he won't be able to make bail, which will give Mr. Kuckelman more time to solidify the case against him without bringing charges as yet.
 
  • #282
Who in their right mind would post bail for him anyway.
 
  • #283
:waitasec:surly not Eugene!

(read with sarcasm)
 
  • #284
I just wanted to comment on something regarding ReH. If she indeed lured Pat out of the house, she should be charged right along with the other two.

However there is a chance that she may not have known about it until after the fact. I'm sure ReH put two and two together and figured out the her husband had something to do with this. I'm sure she knew that her husband owned that hat and money clip. She started questioning him about it, etc. If this is the case, she should get a deal.

I do want to see whoever did this horrible thing in jail forever even if it takes setting ReH free unless of course she actually took part in the kidnapping.

She should have came forward with the info. that he owned those things right when it first happened. BUT if that same thing happened to you, would you turn your own husband in without know absolutely for sure that he did it? Just on the fact that he owned those two things? Well, she also had the fact that not only did her husband own those two things but that he was also associated with EK. That would pretty much tell you that he did it.

I just don't know what I'd do. Especially if I was controlled and beat down. I don't know if she was controlled and beat down but gossip says she was.

Things are happening pretty fast now. There won't be much more of a wait.

I'm grateful that the Kimmi kids won't be wondering forever what happened to their mom. Nothing would be worse than that. I'm just sad that it will be a bittersweet ending.
 
  • #285
Just want to say thanks to all of you who have posted this news and all the info in recent days and weeks. I'm not sure where to go to find info, so I appreciate it so much. God bless all of you!
 
  • #286
Ditto!
 
  • #287
I just wanted to comment on something regarding ReH. If she indeed lured Pat out of the house, she should be charged right along with the other two.

However there is a chance that she may not have known about it until after the fact. I'm sure ReH put two and two together and figured out the her husband had something to do with this. I'm sure she knew that her husband owned that hat and money clip. She started questioning him about it, etc. If this is the case, she should get a deal.

I do want to see whoever did this horrible thing in jail forever even if it takes setting ReH free unless of course she actually took part in the kidnapping.

She should have came forward with the info. that he owned those things right when it first happened. BUT if that same thing happened to you, would you turn your own husband in without know absolutely for sure that he did it? Just on the fact that he owned those two things? Well, she also had the fact that not only did her husband own those two things but that he was also associated with EK. That would pretty much tell you that he did it.

I just don't know what I'd do. Especially if I was controlled and beat down. I don't know if she was controlled and beat down but gossip says she was.

Things are happening pretty fast now. There won't be much more of a wait.

I'm grateful that the Kimmi kids won't be wondering forever what happened to their mom. Nothing would be worse than that. I'm just sad that it will be a bittersweet ending.
Mima, your posts are always so well thought out and stated. Bravo!

ITA with what you said above concerning ReH.

In my mind (scenario of what may have happened), I see RoH being either alone that night or with EK waiting in the truck. We know there was a scuffle on the porch. Did he knock than attack? When I read the snip below I gather that they both were subpoenaed to the inquisition the Thursday before the accident and I see RoH angry... perhaps for her giving something away...like if she knew where he was when Pat was attacked..

Hill says Hollister was present with his wife, Rebecca Hollister, in Atchison County the day before the accident and become upset with his wife for speaking to law enforcement about his involvement in the Kimmi matter that day. http://www.knzafm.com/stories/01587...RDER-OF-WIFE-PROVIDES-MORE-DETAILS_113734.php

(the following is just thoughts)... if a beat down, abused, timid woman is 'coerced' into hurting Pat than these attributes would most likely extend to her testimony.. meaning she would lie under oath or be RoH's alibi. But no, RoH is on-the-handle angry with her for what she testified to.

and another snip:

He says on the day of the accident, Roger Hollister was driving to Topeka with his wife and became upset at her for asking him why he had become so involved in the Kimmi matter. Hill says Roger Hollister then asked Rebecca Hollister “ what he wanted her to do about it now” and then stated “ let’s just end it now”

So to paraphrase the above, ReH asks RoH why he has become so involved in Pat's case (is she probing him to tell her more?)

RoH than asks ReH what should he do about (being so involved in Pat's case) now?

RoH further tells her, "let's end it (his involvement) now".

And she is seen shaking her head no as RoH swerves his car into a semi truck with an evil look on his face.

What is most interesting to me is the obvious fact that ReH and the truck driver have both been questioned since the accident. So in this article we are basically getting to see ReH speak for the first time.

I see her being a person who can put holes in RoH's alibi... but I don't, at this time, see her being more involved. But only time will tell. And if she had anything to do with it in the first or second degree she needs to pay.

((sorry for the long post))
 
  • #288
i think there is some kind of law where a wife cant testify against their husband?...
 
  • #289
i think there is some kind of law where a wife cant testify against their husband?...

I'm thinking that a spouse can't be compelled to testify in court (w/ exceptions in some states such as when it involves a child)....if a spouse refuses, they can't be forced.

I'm pretty sure they can if they choose to do so...I'll post a link if I find confirmation for KS law.
 
  • #290
I am not nearly so kind hearted...I think that RH knew what her hubby did and has certainly at least helped cover for him, and may have been involved

I am sure they will all start singing now, there are so many things against them

It is now down to who can cut a deal first, and hopefully LE has enough evidence to not even offer any of them a deal of any sort

and what comes around goes around...she is still in the hospital..anyone know what is "wrong"/what her injuries really were, prognosis??
 
  • #291
Logical,
Given the fact that we now have ReH's quotes as per the accident I would imagine she had crushing injuries and/or internal injuries. I would also tend to think her reported 'complications' could be secondary infections, etc. (just a nurse opinion)

ITA that no one remotely deserves a pass in Pat's case
 
  • #292
I am not nearly so kind hearted...I think that RH knew what her hubby did and has certainly at least helped cover for him, and may have been involved

I am sure they will all start singing now, there are so many things against them

It is now down to who can cut a deal first, and hopefully LE has enough evidence to not even offer any of them a deal of any sort

and what comes around goes around...she is still in the hospital..anyone know what is "wrong"/what her injuries really were, prognosis??

rumors from my aunt....reba lost a leg

statement from my uncle.....roger is a rotton sob, nobody at goodyear liked him (uncled worked there)
 
  • #293
E. PRIVILEGES
60-423. Privilege of accused.

<snip>

(b) An accused in a criminal action has a privilege to prevent his or her
spouse from testifying in such action with respect to any confidential
communication had or made between them while they were husband and wife,
excepting only (1) in an action in which the accused is charged with (i) a
crime involving the marriage relation, or (ii) a crime against the person or
property of the other spouse or the child of either spouse,
or (iii) a
desertion of the other spouse or a child of either spouse, or (2) as to the
communication, in an action in which the accused offers evidence of a
communication between himself or herself and his or her spouse.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...nICODw&usg=AFQjCNFs2rxfrLuKa7dI-bC8EzejK3pAdQ

Glad I looked that up!!

Sounds like ReHo could testify against RoHo re: his attempted murder of her...but don't know about her testimony should he be charged w/ crimes against another person, e.g., Pat.

Thoughts?
 
  • #294
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...nICODw&usg=AFQjCNFs2rxfrLuKa7dI-bC8EzejK3pAdQ

Glad I looked that up!!

Sounds like ReHo could testify against RoHo re: his attempted murder of her...but don't know about her testimony should he be charged w/ crimes against another person, e.g., Pat.

Thoughts?

Good find, TM. I was lost in the statute wilderness searching for what seemed like months this afternoon, looking for that info.

So perhaps ReHo wouldn't be allowed to testify at the criminal trial, but would her statements at the inquisiton be allowable as evidence, since they are sworn testimony? I tend to think so. Or hope so.
 
  • #295
Good find, TM. I was lost in the statute wilderness searching for what seemed like months this afternoon, looking for that info.

So perhaps ReHo wouldn't be allowed to testify at the criminal trial, but would her statements at the inquisiton be allowable as evidence, since they are sworn testimony? I tend to think so. Or hope so.
she may not be MADE to testify under this law, BUT given her statements released insofar she seems to be doing this of her own will (any legal eagles want to give this a stab as to how that would hold up in Kansas courts?)
 
  • #296
she may not be MADE to testify under this law, BUT given her statements released insofar she seems to be doing this of her own will (any legal eagles want to give this a stab as to how that would hold up in Kansas courts?)

I re-read the inquisition statute and it doesn't say anything about spousal testimony given there vis a vis its use at future criminal proceedings; so it probably all comes down to case law and precedents.
 
  • #297
I would be interested to know if her attorney has filed an exparte on her behalf or if she's filed for divorce. should be public record, right?
 
  • #298
A spouse is allowed to testify, they can't in some states be MADE to testify under oath (ie, can't be held in contempt of court for refusing to testify)...at least I think this is how it works

however....let's get real here....she knew his involvement/friendship with EK, she probably knew of his business dealings or whatever, the cap and money clip no doubt familiar...she may have been involved to lure Pat out of her home

at any point along the way she could have gotten herself away from him and run to the police station and thrown herself at their mercy and let them pick up her husband and she would be safe

instead she stayed with him...and he tried to kill her/him....now she is in the hospital but that does not excuse her in my way of thinking...I hope they all pay for whatever they did to Pat

The fact that she may be "controlled and beat down" gets my sympathy but ONLy up to the point where she became an accessory before or after the fact and for that I have zero sympathy for her

she had many chances to do the right thing...and she didn't. Victim?? No at some point people like her become a "volunteer".. I do hope she will start telling all she knows now finally
 
  • #299
I heard there was something on WIBW news that was new...can't seem to find it but will keep looking...re: Rebecca....
 
  • #300
stjoechannel.com has a story with copies of court documents attached re: Roger
 
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