KY - Breonna Taylor, 26, unarmed, fatally shot multiple times by police, Louisville, 13 Mar 2020

[CocoChanel]

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[Deleted member 267032]

Breonna Taylor's family attorney Benjamin Crump called for transparency from the Kentucky attorney general and demanded the transcripts of the grand jury proceedings be released. He added there was precedence for releasing the transcripts of a grand jury proceeding, citing the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri.

Former Kentucky Assistant Attorney General John W. Stewart said the grand jury transcripts should be released, noting a lack of transparency in the Taylor case.

Stewart said that before he heard the decision, he thought it would be a cut and dry case of self-defense and didn't expect any of the officers to be charged. After hearing the facts presented by Cameron, he now feels all three officers -- Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, Detective Myles Cosgrove and former Detective Brett Hankison -- should have been charged in connection with Taylor's death.

Stewart joins the long list of people calling for the grand jury proceedings to be made public, including Kentucky's own Governor Andy Beshear and Louisville's Mayor Greg Fischer.

"If these two officers did not get indicted, then the grand jury testimony ought to be public. You can't hide behind the secrecy of the grand jury," Stewart added.

Breonna Taylor's family attorney believes the Kentucky attorney general's investigation was a coverup

IMHO this quest for transcripts is a ploy to discredit the GJ. If the transcripts were released do we really believe those that wanted the officers charged would say okay the GJ was right.

 

[JerseyGirl]

IMHO this quest for transcripts is a ploy to discredit the GJ. If the transcripts were released do we really believe those that wanted the officers charged would say okay the GJ was right.

The Governor of the state of Kentucky as well as the mayor of the city were the crime occurred are both asking for the transcripts etc.

 

[Deleted member 267032]

The Governor of the state of Kentucky as well as the mayor of the city were the crime occurred are both asking for the transcripts etc. Are you accusing them of trying to discredit the GJ or just pointing your finger at the family's attorney?

All of the above.

 

[sds71]

Breonna Taylor's family attorney Benjamin Crump called for transparency from the Kentucky attorney general and demanded the transcripts of the grand jury proceedings be released. He added there was precedence for releasing the transcripts of a grand jury proceeding, citing the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri.

Former Kentucky Assistant Attorney General John W. Stewart said the grand jury transcripts should be released, noting a lack of transparency in the Taylor case.

Stewart said that before he heard the decision, he thought it would be a cut and dry case of self-defense and didn't expect any of the officers to be charged. After hearing the facts presented by Cameron, he now feels all three officers -- Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, Detective Myles Cosgrove and former Detective Brett Hankison -- should have been charged in connection with Taylor's death.

Stewart joins the long list of people calling for the grand jury proceedings to be made public, including Kentucky's own Governor Andy Beshear and Louisville's Mayor Greg Fischer.

"If these two officers did not get indicted, then the grand jury testimony ought to be public. You can't hide behind the secrecy of the grand jury," Stewart added.

Breonna Taylor's family attorney believes the Kentucky attorney general's investigation was a coverup

Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment

 

[tresir2012]

Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment

Will it make any difference to the decision? It was still self defence which will not change IMO.

 

[sds71]

@robferdman
The initial ballistics report that was included in the investigative file given to the attorney general’s office by LMPD failed to prove Taylor’s boyfriend fired the bullet that hit LMPD officer Sgt. Mattingly

Initial Police Report Didn’t Conclude Breonna Taylor's Boyfriend Shot a Cop in the Leg


@robferdman
Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Wednesday the bullet could not have been fired by an officer because it was a 9mm. But Breonna Taylor’s boyfriend’s lawyer Steve Romines says that former LMPD detective Brett Hankison’s employee file shows he was issued a 9mm Glock:

@Sromines
As I have stated previously, Cameron completely misrepresented the facts. The initial ballistics performed by KSP DO NOT conclude that Kenny’s shot struck Mattingly. It is also a lie that officers don’t carry 9mm as Hankison’s own employee file shows a Glock 9mm service weapon. twitter.

 

[JerseyGirl]

'I Have No Faith In The Legal System,' Breonna Taylor's Mother Says

"I never had faith in Daniel Cameron to begin with," Tamika Palmer, Breonna's mother said, via a statement that was read aloud by her sister, Bianca Austin, during a news conference Friday. Palmer stood by, weeping, as Austin voiced the words that Cameron is too inexperienced and had failed her daughter by shifting responsibility to a grand jury.

"I was reassured Wednesday of why I have no faith in the legal system, in the police, in the law," Palmer said in the statement. "They are not made to protect us Black and brown people."

"When I speak on it, I'm considered an angry Black woman," Palmer said in her statement. "But know this: I am an angry Black woman. I am not angry for the reasons that you would like me to be — but angry because our Black women keep dying at the hands of police officers. And Black men."

"This has been emotionally, mentally and physically draining for my sister," Austin said, calling the past six months "a wild roller coaster" for a family that has lost not only a beloved young woman to police gunfire, but other members to causes such as cancer, COVID-19 and violence.

Palmer says Cameron failed in his handling of the case, failed to deliver that justice.

"What I had hoped is that he knew he had the power to do the right thing, that he had the power to start the healing of this city, that he had the power to help mend over 400 years of oppression," Austin said, reading Palmer's statement.

"What he helped me realize is that it will always be us against them, that we are never safe when it comes to them."

 

[Deleted member 267032]

Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment

I would like to hear from an impartial expert on why or why not GJ testimony can be released. Note to self: good luck with that.

 

[tresir2012]

@robferdman
The initial ballistics report that was included in the investigative file given to the attorney general’s office by LMPD failed to prove Taylor’s boyfriend fired the bullet that hit LMPD officer Sgt. Mattingly

Initial Police Report Didn’t Conclude Breonna Taylor's Boyfriend Shot a Cop in the Leg

Is that MSM? As it did not appear to be when I loaded it. (Never heard of vice.com )

 

[oviedo]

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CocoChanel
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I have been remiss - and will create a media thread for Breonna now.

eta: KY-Breonna Taylor,26,unarmed,fatally shot multiple times by LE, Louisville,13Mar2020MEDIA,TIMELINE
in progress - I've some catching up to do

 

[tresir2012]

'I Have No Faith In The Legal System,' Breonna Taylor's Mother Says

"I never had faith in Daniel Cameron to begin with," Tamika Palmer, Breonna's mother said, via a statement that was read aloud by her sister, Bianca Austin, during a news conference Friday. Palmer stood by, weeping, as Austin voiced the words that Cameron is too inexperienced and had failed her daughter by shifting responsibility to a grand jury.

"I was reassured Wednesday of why I have no faith in the legal system, in the police, in the law," Palmer said in the statement. "They are not made to protect us Black and brown people."

"When I speak on it, I'm considered an angry Black woman," Palmer said in her statement. "But know this: I am an angry Black woman. I am not angry for the reasons that you would like me to be — but angry because our Black women keep dying at the hands of police officers. And Black men."

"This has been emotionally, mentally and physically draining for my sister," Austin said, calling the past six months "a wild roller coaster" for a family that has lost not only a beloved young woman to police gunfire, but other members to causes such as cancer, COVID-19 and violence.

Palmer says Cameron failed in his handling of the case, failed to deliver that justice.

"What I had hoped is that he knew he had the power to do the right thing, that he had the power to start the healing of this city, that he had the power to help mend over 400 years of oppression," Austin said, reading Palmer's statement.

"What he helped me realize is that it will always be us against them, that we are never safe when it comes to them."

I don't ever think the decision on 1 case could resolve that 400 years. It can only be resolved on the law of self defence as it related to that single case. MOO.

 

[kaen]

Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment

The issue is transparency. I don't want to discredit a GJ or any other body. That said, we have trials in open court for a reason---to insure justice and fairness so no one rises above the law. In this state if no true bills or other documents are routinely released then they should be released in this case. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If I were one of these officers, I would want to see the transcripts/have access to the tapes. If I were Ms. Taylor's family, I would want to see the transcripts/have access to the tapes. The AG did a good job presenting his process but fell short creating clarity about what was presented. As US citizens, we deserve to know. Secret courts have been a hallmark of totalitarianism and have been kangaroo courts in the past.

 

[kaen]

I have been remiss - and will create a media thread for Breonna now.

eta: KY-Breonna Taylor,26,unarmed,fatally shot multiple times by LE, Louisville,13Mar2020MEDIA,TIMELINE
in progress - I've some catching up to do

Not remiss. Thanks you so much for creating the media thread here and in other cases. I appreciate it. It is never-ending work.

 

[kaen]

Wait, I thought there was no body cam footage. If this officer was on site at the time of the shooting, their camera may have caught the announcing and shootings.

I see that they say that this was from an officer who arrived. Where is the beginning of this tape? Might they have been on site but not at the door? Transparency. Yes, there is a video. Let's see it all.

Video shows police in Breonna Taylor raid moments after officer was shot

...A spokesperson for the Louisville Metro Police Department said in a statement that it was aware of the video.

"That video shows Sgt. Mattingly receiving medical attention after he was shot. We do not know who leaked that video. We are not going to comment on the content of the video due to our ongoing internal review of what happened that night," the spokesperson said...

 

[JerseyGirl]

I have been remiss - and will create a media thread for Breonna now.

eta: KY-Breonna Taylor,26,unarmed,fatally shot multiple times by LE, Louisville,13Mar2020MEDIA,TIMELINE
in progress - I've some catching up to do

Not remiss. Thanks you so much for creating the media thread here and in other cases. I appreciate it. It is never-ending work.

Yes, thank you. I have added a link to the first post and in future threads.

 

[Kimmer]

Wait, I thought there was no body cam footage. If this officer was on site at the time of the shooting, their camera may have caught the announcing and shootings.

Video shows police in Breonna Taylor raid moments after officer was shot

...A spokesperson for the Louisville Metro Police Department said in a statement that it was aware of the video.

"That video shows Sgt. Mattingly receiving medical attention after he was shot. We do not know who leaked that video. We are not going to comment on the content of the video due to our ongoing internal review of what happened that night," the spokesperson said...

The video that is referenced was took by a neighbor when they heard the shooting, they grabbed there camera and took the video as Mattingly was being taken to the parking lot and while Kenneth Walker was being taken into custody and while Breonna Taylor was bleeding out on her hallway floor.

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[Deleted member 267032]

The issue is transparency. I don't want to discredit a GJ or any other body. That said, we have trials in open court for a reason---to insure justice and fairness so no one rises above the law. In this state if no true bills or other documents are routinely released then they should be released in this case. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If I were one of these officers, I would want to see the transcripts/have access to the tapes. If I were Ms. Taylor's family, I would want to see the transcripts/have access to the tapes. The AG did a good job presenting his process but fell short creating clarity about what was presented. As US citizens, we deserve to know. Secret courts have been a hallmark of totalitarianism and have been kangaroo courts in the past.

I agree with you in principle. However, I don't believe those that want the officers arrested will look at the transcripts in good faith. jmo

 

[kaen]

The video that is referenced was took by a neighbor when they heard the shooting, they grabbed there camera and took the video as Mattingly was being taken to the parking lot and while Kenneth Walker was being taken into custody and while Breonna Taylor was bleeding out on her hallway floor.
There is a photo after the raid of one of the officers having a body cam on his vest but of course we are being told that it was not in operation not sure if I believe that at this point, but it seems moot at this point.

It is indeed body cam footage according to the article I posted.

"Newly released body-camera video from the police raid at Breonna Taylor's apartment that led to her killing shows the moments after one of the officers was shot in the leg.

The 44-second video was released on Twitter on Thursday night by the attorney for police Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly.

"This is the raw video of Louisville officer Sgt. John Mattingly shortly after Kenneth Walker shot him," lawyer Todd McMurtry said in the tweet. "They called him a 'murderer,' when all he did was defend himself."

Video shows police in Breonna Taylor raid moments after officer was shot

Again, if there is video, release the whole thing or else it looks like a cover up. People don't trust information that is not complete.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Jonathan Mattingly to sue over 'murderer' accusations

Louisville Metro Police Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly intends to file civil lawsuits against those who have called him a "murderer" for his role in the fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor, according to an attorney.

In an email to The Courier Journal today, McMurtry said he represented Mattingly "with regard to affirmative claims he has against people who called him a 'murderer.' These statements are defamatory and actionable."

He said that the intent was to file civil lawsuits related to those statements.

McMurtry started hinting about lawsuits in June. "To accuse an innocent person of a crime is inherently defamatory," McMurtry said in a statement in June, following several of his tweets about the subject, which appear to have since been deleted.

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Mattingly remains on administrative reassignment following the grand jury decision on Wednesday that did not indict him on any charges. He remains under an internal investigation, like five other officers involved in the shooting, for possible police policy violations.

Cameron, whose office presented the case to the grand jury, said that FBI ballistics analysis determined that Detective Myles Cosgrove fired the shot that killed Taylor. However, previous ballistics analysis by the Kentucky State Police could not determine who fired the fatal shot.