KY KY - Crystal Rogers, 35, Bluegrass Parkway, 3 July 2015 #1

[jULIA_bEE]

I'm not sure from just the transcript (not having seen the show/heard the audio) whether he was actually answering the question about cooking with his "hour and a half" statement. I thought so at first, but now I think he meant something else.

GRACE: And what did you guys do for supper that night?

HOUCK: We just ate here -- we ate here at the house.

GRACE: Did she cook?

HOUCK: For about an hour and a half and then we left here about 7:30.

A bit later when Nancy asked again, "Did she cook that night, Brooks?" he replied, "She did not." (Hey! A straightforward answer, imagine that.) That's in line with the assertion that they were having leftovers/something quick.

Since he did state directly that she didn't cook that night, his statement only really makes sense if he was saying they were "at the house" "for about an hour and a half" —in other words, from when she got home from showing the rental property (which could have been around 6, considering the WalMart receipt time stamp plus the rental house showing) to when they supposedly left for the family farm (7:30).

Another thought:

Actually, re-reading the section of transcript right before the one about supper, it still seems to me that BH is saying Crystal brought two children home with her that evening, not just the 2 1/2 year old. I'd love to know how old the other child is. Old enough to confirm that yes, they did go somewhere that night? Or that maybe they went somewhere all together, but mommy stayed behind? That kind of thing?

Why does this other child not figure into BH's narrative of the rest of the night? Where was this other child while the baby was running around loose at midnight while Crystal supposedly played games? If this child was likewise dropped off, like the other kids who weren't BH's, why was that left out of his timeline of events? Is there something sensitive about it?

[Relevant part of the transcript below, BBM:]

GRACE: So Friday evening, she shows the property at a multi-property spot that had been advertised in the standard. She gets home after 5:00 and what children, if any, did she have with her at that time?

HOUCK: Two children.

GRACE: And --

HOUCK: The other two children had already been dropped off at their dad's house.

GRACE: And what did you guys do for supper that night?

You're probably right. I read it both ways and I wasn't sure which was correct. If they just were at the house for about an hour and a half total or if dinner took an hour and half. He makes it really hard to believe.


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[Inthedetails]

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GRACE: Did you have July 4th plans?
HOUCK: Yes, we did.
GRACE: What were they?
HOUCK: My uncle, Fabian Ballard, and Loreto, about 49, had a large gathering at his home. My mother has a very large family, there`s 13 brothers and sisters, and we -- we had planned on going there on Saturday, July 4th.

I don't mean to be irreverent, but the unsolicited insertion of his relative's age is so goofy that it cracks me up every time I read it. What was he thinking?

 

[jULIA_bEE]

I had no idea that there was an unsolved double homicide in Bardstown and an unsolved murder of a police officer.

Technically they were in Nelson Co so the Sherriffs Office and KSP are handling them. They were outside of Bardstown PD's jurisdiction.


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[Cardinal47]

I'm not sure from just the transcript (not having seen the show/heard the audio) whether he was actually answering the question about cooking with his "hour and a half" statement. I thought so at first, but now I think he meant something else.

GRACE: And what did you guys do for supper that night?

HOUCK: We just ate here -- we ate here at the house.

GRACE: Did she cook?

HOUCK: For about an hour and a half and then we left here about 7:30.

A bit later when Nancy asked again, "Did she cook that night, Brooks?" he replied, "She did not." (Hey! A straightforward answer, imagine that.) That's in line with the assertion that they were having leftovers/something quick.

Since he did state directly that she didn't cook that night, his statement only really makes sense if he was saying they were "at the house" "for about an hour and a half" —in other words, from when she got home from showing the rental property (which could have been around 6, considering the WalMart receipt time stamp plus the rental house showing) to when they supposedly left for the family farm (7:30).

Another thought:

Actually, re-reading the section of transcript right before the one about supper, it still seems to me that BH is saying Crystal brought two children home with her that evening, not just the 2 1/2 year old. I'd love to know how old the other child is. Old enough to confirm that yes, they did go somewhere that night? Or that maybe they went somewhere all together, but mommy stayed behind? That kind of thing?

Why does this other child not figure into BH's narrative of the rest of the night? Where was this other child while the baby was running around loose at midnight while Crystal supposedly played games? If this child was likewise dropped off, like the other kids who weren't BH's, why was that left out of his timeline of events? Is there something sensitive about it?

[Relevant part of the transcript below, BBM:]

GRACE: So Friday evening, she shows the property at a multi-property spot that had been advertised in the standard. She gets home after 5:00 and what children, if any, did she have with her at that time?

HOUCK: [B]Two children. [/B]

GRACE: And --

HOUCK: The other two children had already been dropped off at their dad's house.

GRACE: And what did you guys do for supper that night?

Hummm now that's strange. I thought all along they only had the little guy with them.

As I recall;

One girl was with the maternal grandma.
One girl was with the paternal grandma and was calling maternal grandma about 6 cause she could not reach her mother.

BTW one of the girls had the injured hand from BK

Another girl and boy, the ones with her at Walmart had been dropped off at their dad's house.

Just Crystal and the little guy returned home.

Confusing...yes!

I bet she stopped and picked up something for dinner. I don't think she cooked after all of that shopping, dropping off kids at dad's house and showing property.

MOO

 

[jULIA_bEE]

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I don't mean to be irreverent, but the unsolicited insertion of his relative's age is so goofy that it cracks me up every time I read it. What was he thinking?

I couldn't agree more! I don't know if he's trying to sound professional or too honest or what's going on but it doesn't sound genuine at all. It's kind of silly...


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[karenky]

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I don't mean to be irreverent, but the unsolicited insertion of his relative's age is so goofy that it cracks me up every time I read it. What was he thinking?

I think he meant to say Highway 49 in Loretto. Loretto as in the town not a person's name.

 

[EDGE1124]

I'm not sure from just the transcript (not having seen the show/heard the audio) whether he was actually answering the question about cooking with his "hour and a half" statement. I thought so at first, but now I think he meant something else.

GRACE: And what did you guys do for supper that night?

HOUCK: We just ate here -- we ate here at the house.

GRACE: Did she cook?

HOUCK: For about an hour and a half and then we left here about 7:30.

A bit later when Nancy asked again, "Did she cook that night, Brooks?" he replied, "She did not." (Hey! A straightforward answer, imagine that.) That's in line with the assertion that they were having leftovers/something quick.

Since he did state directly that she didn't cook that night, his statement only really makes sense if he was saying they were "at the house" "for about an hour and a half" —in other words, from when she got home from showing the rental property (which could have been around 6, considering the WalMart receipt time stamp plus the rental house showing) to when they supposedly left for the family farm (7:30).

Another thought:

Actually, re-reading the section of transcript right before the one about supper, it still seems to me that BH is saying Crystal brought two children home with her that evening, not just the 2 1/2 year old. I'd love to know how old the other child is. Old enough to confirm that yes, they did go somewhere that night? Or that maybe they went somewhere all together, but mommy stayed behind? That kind of thing?

Why does this other child not figure into BH's narrative of the rest of the night? Where was this other child while the baby was running around loose at midnight while Crystal supposedly played games? If this child was likewise dropped off, like the other kids who weren't BH's, why was that left out of his timeline of events? Is there something sensitive about it?

[Relevant part of the transcript below, BBM:]

GRACE: So Friday evening, she shows the property at a multi-property spot that had been advertised in the standard. She gets home after 5:00 and what children, if any, did she have with her at that time?

HOUCK: Two children.

GRACE: And --

HOUCK: The other two children had already been dropped off at their dad's house.

GRACE: And what did you guys do for supper that night?

Was there something missed in the transcripts or did NG not bother to ask BH what the other child was doing while the 2 yr old son was running loose at midnight? Was the other child at dinner time the youngest daughter or the oldest boy? Aside from BH stating in his interview that CR returned home with TWO children after 5pm, has there been any other confirmation that there was a 2nd child with her after 5pm? Did this child then get dropped off before heading out around 730pm to family farm or was this child left at the farm to sleep over? These are big holes and it is safe to assume LE has these holes filled by now.

 

[jULIA_bEE]

I think he meant to say Highway 49 in Loretto. Loretto as in the town not a person's name.

I think you're right. I didn't think about him meaning hwy 49. At first I thought he was giving the uncles name, age and the location as Loretto. It makes way more sense for it to be hwy 49. It's still a lot of information. It's like he gives all this information to prove where he was on that Saturday but he's so vague about the night before.


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[EDGE1124]

I think he meant to say Highway 49 in Loretto. Loretto as in the town not a person's name.

Not from the area but had I known of a place Loretto then this would have made sense. So here is BH not offering upany details as to what was for supper Friday night, he says 2 children came home with CR after 5pm but I think most ppl would answer....two children, our 2 yr old son and his youngest sister NAME or his brother NAME...but when asked about his plans for July 4th he doesn't just say a family gathering at my uncle's farm...he includes uncle's full name FB (he might own a lumber company??) plus what area he lives in, Loretto near highway 49 he was trying to say...sounds like BH was trying to show he was 20 minutes away that day so if any sightings or findings close to home that afternoon or evening would put him 15-20 miles away. Why give so much detailed info for a time when CR is not with him, yet give less detail for a time CR was supposedly with him? Very shady!

 

[concernedmother]

Crystal's little boy is turning 10 tomorrow. The community is trying to throw him an an impromptu birthday party and are gathering up things to help him celebrate since the family is so busy with searches. They said that all he has asked for is for his mommy to come home. Bardstown has some mighty fine people living there. I have faith that he will have a good birthday and maybe will get his little mind off his mommy for a little while.

How heartwrenching. Those poor kids.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think he meant to say Highway 49 in Loretto. Loretto as in the town not a person's name.

Okay, that makes a little bit more sense...but it still is goofy.

 

[krig101]

Crystal's little boy is turning 10 tomorrow. The community is trying to throw him an an impromptu birthday party and are gathering up things to help him celebrate since the family is so busy with searches. They said that all he has asked for is for his mommy to come home. Bardstown has some mighty fine people living there. I have faith that he will have a good birthday and maybe will get his little mind off his mommy for a little while.

This breaks my heart all over again. Bless those little angels...[emoji25] This sick person who did this not only hurt Crystal but 5 little children. I'm sure this person knows/knew this. Those poor children will suffer a broken heart that will never heal. Absolutely selfish. I hope this person rots!

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[krig101]

I can't find anything. They haven't been reporting on it as much so there's really nothing going on there. I've been checking FB to read the news articles on her missing page. I was also reading another online forum that I usually don't like reading because it's for local communities so there's a lot of gossip but her whole thread has disappeared from the city and county pages...hmmm.


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Disappeared? That's strange.....

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[cady]

I'm not sure that fixating on the Parkway is productive. I just think that the crime was committed way before the car was discovered on the Parkway. Taking the car to the Parkway to be discovered later is a diversion. If the two children who were deposited with THEIR Dad just before 5 were then picked up and brought home for dinner, Dad certainly did not have much time to hang with his kids, and he AND the kids would know that they went home for "dinner". They would also know what they ate. I have to think that LE knows these details, and are just waiting for evidence to arrest dear boyfriend....JMO

 

[Tssiemer]

Threads come and go all the time from sites like topix


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[jULIA_bEE]

I'm not sure that fixating on the Parkway is productive. I just think that the crime was committed way before the car was discovered on the Parkway. Taking the car to the Parkway to be discovered later is a diversion. If the two children who were deposited with THEIR Dad just before 5 were then picked up and brought home for dinner, Dad certainly did not have much time to hang with his kids, and he AND the kids would know that they went home for "dinner". They would also know what they ate. I have to think that LE knows these details, and are just waiting for evidence to arrest dear boyfriend....JMO

I agree. I don't think there's anything helpful that's going to be gained from the parkway that evening.

The kids were dropped off with their dad and then she went supposedly either went to the realty property to show or took the baby home and then went. Not real sure the order. After that, her, her current bf and their 2 year old ate dinner and then allegedly went to the family farm. Her other two kids were still at their dads for the weekend so they never came back to her house.


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[SleuthMc]

Not from the area but had I known of a place Loretto then this would have made sense. So here is BH not offering upany details as to what was for supper Friday night, he says 2 children came home with CR after 5pm but I think most ppl would answer....two children, our 2 yr old son and his youngest sister NAME or his brother NAME...but when asked about his plans for July 4th he doesn't just say a family gathering at my uncle's farm...he includes uncle's full name FB (he might own a lumber company??) plus what area he lives in, Loretto near highway 49 he was trying to say...sounds like BH was trying to show he was 20 minutes away that day so if any sightings or findings close to home that afternoon or evening would put him 15-20 miles away. Why give so much detailed info for a time when CR is not with him, yet give less detail for a time CR was supposedly with him? Very shady!

Just a thought, but could she have picked up another child for a sleep over with the 2-1/2yr old, say another woman's child, after showing the rental?

Or BH was saying the age of their child is (2) or perhaps she had dropped (2) children off at their home.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

You're probably right. I read it both ways and I wasn't sure which was correct. If they just were at the house for about an hour and a half total or if dinner took an hour and half. He makes it really hard to believe.

Makes it about as clear as mud, doesn't he?

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I think you're right. I didn't think about him meaning hwy 49. At first I thought he was giving the uncles name, age and the location as Loretto. It makes way more sense for it to be hwy 49. It's still a lot of information. It's like he gives all this information to prove where he was on that Saturday but he's so vague about the night before.

Agreed. It's interesting to see what small things he goes into great detail on, and what blocks of hours he rapidly skates over. I don't believe in 100% of Statement Analysis, but I think there is definitely something to noting the 'pace' of the narrative.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Just want to say thank you to jULIA_bEE and other local folks for the excellent, accurate, detailed info provided that relates to this case. From videos of the relevant section of the Parkway and pics of its darkness at night, to info about the official handling of abandoned cars in KY, to police presence (or not) on the parkway during holiday weekends, to the info about other unsolved murders in the area, plus LE jurisdictional clarification... all this good info is much appreciated.