Identified! KY - Eddyville, Lake Barkley, WhtMale 35-50, UP75, wrapped in tire chains anchored by hydraulic jack, May’99 - Roger Dale Parham (Wanted by FBI)

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I need photos. Actual case file/crime scene photos, not “clothing reconstructions” (huh??!) The Motley Bay bit may be the one thing I have actually found and not logged anywhere :oops: because I have seen something else about it...which I will now go look for!

Yes.
 
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A business! I knew I’d find it again! :cool::p

Motley Bay, Lake Barkley

ETA: I only found this after reading something from a more official source regarding this case...which is what I’ve been looking for, but this is what NamUs is referring to, I think.
 
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I need photos. Actual case file/crime scene photos, not “clothing reconstructions” (huh??!) The Motley Bay bit may be the one thing I have actually found and not logged anywhere :oops: because I have seen something else about it...which I will now go look for!

They use new clothing in many of these cases because they want people who actually knew the person to see it and think "Old Mac used to wear a jacket like that" and call them with Old Mac's information. You can't get that from the rotted shreds hanging off a body.

I personally think they should show both, but most cases go for one or the other.
 
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@Trudie yeah I get the barge impression, when I was looking up stuff in that area from the 90s there was a blue star cargo/goods boat that was going thru lake Barkley for awhile. That’s what made me think of that, but I was getting frustrated with the search because of limited info due to it being awhile ago. So I was initially thinking he had something to do with that. Maybe he upset the wrong person and they got rid of him? Remember the Lyle stevik (probably spelled wrong) where the family thought that he just didn’t want anything to do with them even tho the poor soul had committed suicide? Well maybe John Does family thought that he was just busy working or that he didn’t want anything to do with them either, and it being the 90s social media wasn’t a thing, if you wanted to talk to someone that was distant you’d write, make a call, or send a letter.

@PezCandy I wonder if someone kept his ID/wallet to become Mac?
Possibly if Mac trucked/boated he had no home base. Maybe an only child with a small family unit, no one to miss him?
 
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People in my house have short legs and a belly. They also have huge thighs, and long torsos. Ones inseam gets shorter as ones belly gets bigger, unless you hike jeans over the belly instead of under. They are both 5’11. Their shoe size is 11. Their jean size is 38/30 but with a belt. Neither like tight pants. They can easily get into a 36, but don’t like the restriction- need that room to move all over all day. Jeans worn in 99 had no stretch and are smaller than now, due to vanity sizing. I think this guy is shorter than 6’3”

I agree with you that sizing charts today are way off from the 70s, 80s and even the 90s. However, it has more to do with the measurements associated with a specific size, especially in women clothing. For instance, a size 8 Misses dress in the 1980s may have been 32 inch bust, 25 inch waist, 34 inch hips. Now those measurements are for a size 2.

Why Women’s Clothing Sizes Aren’t What They Used to Be

The problem is that most men's clothing, especially pants and jeans, the measurement aren't associated with a size, they are what they are. So a 30/32 pair of pants in 1980 are still 30/32 in 2020.
 
  • #227
Right, men’s sizes haven’t changed nearly as much as woman’s sizes. Looking back at pictures of my parents they wore skinny jeans (no stretch whatsoever) way different than the skinny jeans nowadays, I would wonder how the heck my mom would wear those non stretch skinny jeans, like how in the world did she get her feet through the holes!? Dads pants were ripped and he wore leggings underneath, this was the 80’s early 90’s era. In 97 dads style changed and he wore looser blue jeans, Dickies and Levi’s mainly, looser fit and pretty average joe. The style changed but the sizes didn’t. Women’s sizes Are much harder cuz they change massively depending on the brand alone. Then the whole “America is fat, let’s change sizes around again” happened so then that changed sizes again. FYI America isn’t fat, we just know what good food is :p
 
  • #228
How come there is no picture of Macs jeans on NamUs? They have the other articles of clothing (mostly reconstruction) but no jeans?
 
  • #229
Has it been ascertained which police force was the initial responder to the call of a DB being found? I think it matters because it could have huge implications on how quickly the body decomposed after being removed from the water and sent for autopsy. Rapid decomp would happen almost immediately perhaps skewing the estimation of time it was in the water. Were any photos taken by the attending force when the body was in situ?
 
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Thinking about the blue star transportation band...sorry if this has been mentioned. My boyfriend is a trucker, and a lot of times the loads will have what is basically a ziptie on the latch of the truck to keep doors shut to prevent tampering with the loads. These bands are generally numbered and are checked at drop off/pick up of loads to make sure it hasn't been tampered with. Wondering if the band they are referring to is one like this? If that was the case it could be easily tracked...

EDIT: Here's an example of one.... Tug-Tight™ Drum Seals - 9", Red H-609R - Uline
 
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  • #231
Has it been ascertained which police force was the initial responder to the call of a DB being found?
I think the Sheriff was first. Moo
With KSP stepping in later.

The multiple layers JD was found in makes me think boater or hitchhiker.
Even the snow chains might have been used to latch the jack into place on a vessel?
 
  • #232
I think the Sheriff was first. Moo
With KSP stepping in later.

The multiple layers JD was found in makes me think boater or hitchhiker.
Even the snow chains might have been used to latch the jack into place on a vessel?
Is there any way to find out?
 
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It is moo all 911 calls in KY are dispatched to the county/city LE. KSP get called in as needed.

Do you know if this location is in an ETJ? (Extra-territorial jurisdiction is what we call it here - which would necessitate a sheriff.)
 
  • #235
@UnderstandBlue it lies in the county, outside of city, so the sheriff would receive dispatch, imo.
I have actually called KSP for a sitch and the SO responded!
Remember the accident in my front yard, city & SO LE responded, even tho I’m on a state highway, KSP did not show up.

eta: Eddyville police & SO both very small, prob 4-5 men on each dept. Even if first to respond, both would need to call KSP.
 
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  • #236
I thought Harvey Kays had been ruled out in this case. I was wrong. I wonder if time/PMI has made for an automatic exclusion. Because his circumstances and vitals/appearance are similar to those of Mac’s!
The Doe Network: Case File 4372DMKY
Harvey Allen Kays – The Charley Project

I’m not getting notifications on some threads :mad:, so I’m having to catch up.

I know the zip ties you’re talking about, that detect tampering of an 18 wheeler’s trailer/cargo! That could definitely be what they’re describing as a “badge”.

As far as responding agency, I can’t be certain so I don’t want to speculate. Aside from contacting the investigating agency directly, I’m not sure how we’d find out. It may be in some of the newspaper articles we’ve accumulated though. I’m not sure off hand if there are any pertaining to this case in our “stash” ;). If not posted on this thread, they’d be in the Google Doc posted here...
KY - PROJECT KENTUCKY - Unidentified Persons Cold Cases
 
  • #237
I came across a missing guy today who reminded me of Mac, although several things would have to be wrong with the UID’s reports in order for this to be a possibility. John Johnson went missing from Des Moines, Iowa in December 11, 1996. He was 71 years old, 5’9” (I verified that from his WWII draft card, assuming it’s accurate), 190 lbs. And I found out he was born in Ohio. Already, he’s 20 years older than the estimated age range, 5 or 6 inches too short, and about 50 lbs. too light. There are virtually no details regarding his disappearance, but I thought I’d post here and see what everyone thought. (I know, it is a little far fetching...the timeline fits and they resemble one another...that’s about it) Oh, and it looks as though John could have had some dental work at some point, or he naturally had nice teeth :D

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The only thing wrong with this one, IMO, is the date. The rest is eerily similar and I’m wondering if there is a chance the date of last contact is off on the MP.

Gary McCullough
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- Cassville, Missouri Lake Barkley, Kentucky
- May 11, 1999 May 6, 1999; PMI 5-12 months
- 34 years old 25-45
- 6’3” 6’3” (depending on the source)
- 240 lbs. 200-250
- Brown hair & eyes Brown hair and eyes

Per The Charley Project
Gary was last seen in Cassville, Missouri on May 11, 1999. He reportedly left in his unlicensed flat-bed pickup truck en route to Diamond, Missouri to buy a fighting rooster from a Mexican person. He has never been heard from again. On May 14, his truck was found abandoned on a dead-end road in Pulaskifield, Missouri.

Gary was married to Sandra at the time of his disappearance; she was his brother Albert's ex-wife. (She was Sandra McCullough at the time and has since taken another husband's name, Klemp.) The couple lived on a farm with cattle and horses, and Gary had a job in a chicken processing plant.

The McCullough were having serious problems in 1999 and Gary told his work supervisor he wanted a divorce and was going to move out of the house. He also said Sandra had forged checks in his name and he'd been arrested because of it. He was secretly moving his belongings in with some friends.

On April 30, 1999, three years into the marriage, Sandra allegedly tried to shoot Gary. He didn't tell the police about the incident, but did tell a friend. Gary disappeared less than two weeks later. Sandra did not report him missing for two days, and then only after two sheriff's deputies visited her home on another matter. She refused to cooperate with the police in the investigation.

Sandra contradicted Gary's statements and claimed their marriage was a happy one, but she was having an affair with Kristopher Klemp at the time of Gary's disappearance, something Kristopher later admitted to the police. Gary was allegedly aware of the affair.

Within a few days of Gary's disappearance, Kristopher had moved in with Sandra. In June 1999, authorities charged Kristopher with conspiracy to commit murder; he allegedly tried to hire someone to kill Gary. The charge was dropped for lack of evidence in August 1999, however.

Kristopher and Sandra married each other in May 2000, one month after she obtained a divorce from Gary. Kristopher was Sandra's fourth husband. Gary's brother Albert had been her second, and Gary was her third.

Sandra has six daughters. One of them, Liehnia "Lena" Chapin, was thirteen years old at the time her stepfather went missing. In 2003, Chapin went to Albert, who was both her former stepfather and her former uncle, and told them her mother had shot Gary three times in the head and then made her help clean up the crime scene.

Chapin said she and Sandra cleaned up the blood, pulled up the carpets and bleached the floor, and they wrapped Gary's body in plastic and burned it in a brush fire until only bone fragments remained. She had told a similar story to one of her sisters. She said she did it because she didn't want her mother to go to prison and leave her five sisters without a caregiver.

Albert recorded Chapin's statement without her knowledge and took the tape to the authorities. When the sheriff's office contacted Chapin, however, Sandra hired a lawyer for her, and Chapin exercised her right to remain silent and refused to speak to the police. She did not recant her statement, however.

On February 14, 2006, over five years after Gary's disappearance and three years after she made the tape-recorded statement, Chapin vanished without a trace from Dent County, Missouri. She has never been found. She wasn't reported missing for two and a half years, and the Dent County Sheriff's Office didn't actually begin investigating her case until March 2012, six years after she was last seen.

Gary was declared legally dead in 2005. In 2012, his two daughters filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Chapin, Sandra and Kristopher, as well as Kristopher's former wife, Jennifer Lee Brattin-Klemp. The lawsuit alleged Sandra and Kristopher conspired to kill Gary. Jennifer allegedly picked Klemp up outside the McCullough property in the early morning hours around the time Gary disappeared, and Kristopher had a gun with him at the time.

Although a summons was issued for Chapin to testify in the civil trial, it was never delivered. The tape-recorded statement she made was not played before the jury, although Chapin's sister testified that Chapin had made a similar statement to her. Two of Sandra's children stated they had seen Gary's truck still parked at home on the evening of his disappearance, after Sandra said he had already left.

In the summer of 2013, the civil jury unanimously awarded $7 million in damages to Gary's daughters in connection with his wrongful death. Kristopher and Sandra divorced in 2014 and Sandra has since married her fifth husband and lives in Mount Vernon, Missouri.

It's unclear whether Gary and Chapin's disappearances are connected, but foul play is suspected in both cases.
 
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Still searching...

Gordon Eugene Northbourg
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Missing from Montana since 1995
28 years old, 6’3”, 195 lbs., brown hair & green eyes
 
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