KY KY - Fleming Co, HispMale 17-25 UP10354 & HispMale 20-35 UP10353, Skeletal Remains Maternally Related, Apr'12

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NamUs #UP10354
NamUs Case Created June 18, 2012
ME/C Case Number ME-C2012-217

Male, Hispanic / Latino
Date Body Found April 30, 2012
Estimated Year of Death 2009-2012
Estimated PMI--
Inventory of Remains - Head not recovered Torso not recovered One or more limbs not recovered One or both hands not recovered
Condition of Remains - Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Location Found Fleming County, Kentucky
Estimated Age Range 17-25 Years
Height Cannot Estimate
Weight Cannot Estimate

Circumstances of Recovery - Skeletal remains of second indiviudal found during repeat search of area where remains had been found on April 27. DNA indicates this individual is maternally related to MEC2012-206 and NamUs number UP10353
 
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NamUs #UP10353
NamUs Case Created June 18, 2012
ME/C Case Number ME-C2012-206

Male, Hispanic / Latino
Date Body Found April 27, 2012
Estimated Year of Death 2009-2012
Estimated PMI--
Inventory of Remains Torso not recovered One or more limbs not recovered One or both hands not recovered
Condition of Remains Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Location Found Fleming County, Kentucky
Estimated Age Range 20-35 Years
Height Cannot Estimate
Weight Cannot Estimate

Circumstances of Recovery - Partial skeletal remains of at least two individuals found scattered near rural highway. DNA indicates that this individual is maternally related to MEC2012-217 and NamUs UP10354
 
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I found some cases where the MPs are related and/or went missing from same or nearby locations during the same timeline, usually the same day. Hopefully the information below is not too confusing as my mind kind of got a little foggy at times while cross-referencing the cases. *blushes* I triple-checked for errors, but please note there may be some. o_O

Commentary in green is mostly MOO.

UP10354 & UP10353

Date Bodies Found - April 27, 2012
Estimated Year of Death - 2009-2012

Estimated Age Range - UP10354 17-25
Estimated Age Range - UP10353 20-35

*2 Exclusions

* https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/6103?nav
Oscar Giovanni Garcia-Calles 14 Years Green Brook, New Jersey
Oscar and Samuel(NamUs # 6102) were last seen on January 8, 2009. They were last known to be traveling from El Salvador to Green Brook, New Jersey. They may still be in the local area with a male companion or they may have traveled to New York, Florida, California, or Mexico. Oscar has a scar on his hand.

* https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/6102?nav
Samuel Esay Garcia-Calles 16 Years Green Brook, New Jersey
Samuel and Oscar (NamUs # 6103) were last seen on January 8, 2009. They were last known to be travelling from El Salvador to Green Brook, New Jersey. They may still be in the local area with a male companion or they may have travelled to New York, Florida, California, or Mexico.

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*Cases in the section below are or appear to be connected.*

March 12, 2012 Familial relation not noted.


The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Edwin Mauricio Melgar Maldonado 17 Years Mc Allen, Texas
Es un inmigrante que Desapareció la frontera reynosa y mc allen, un hombre contesto su celular y dijo que los llevaban secuestrado el cartel de los Zetas, que no lo buscaran mas.

Google translate: "He is an immigrant who disappeared the Reynosa border and mc allen, a man answered his cell phone and said they were kidnapped by the poster of the Zetas, who would not look for it anymore."

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Francis Marcelo Pineda Martinez 23 Years McAllen, Texas
Es inmigrante, desaparecio entre reynosa y mc Allen, viajaba con otra persona que tambien desparecio, al llamar al celular , contesto un hombre diciendo que nos los buscara que se los llevaba a trabajar para los zetas.

Google translation, "He is an immigrant, he disappeared between reynosa and mc Allen, he was traveling with another person who also disappeared, when calling the cell phone, a man answered saying that he would look for them and take them to work for the zetas."

September 25, 2011 Familial relation.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Saul Solis Garcia ~ 20 Years Roma, Texas
Saul and his relative Luis Alberto (unknown relation) were with a group crossing from Miguel Aleman, Tamaulipas, Mex to Roma, Texas. They were crossing the Rio Grande and Border Patrol was waiting for them on the US side of the river. Saul and Luis stayed on the Mexico side and walked along the river so they would not get caught. They supposedly went to another area where they had left a boat and crossed. They have not been heard from since 25 SEPT 2011.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Luis Alberto Solis Garcia ~ 23 Years Roma, Texas
Luis and his relative Saul (unknown relation) were with a group crossing from Miguel Aleman, Tamaulipas, Mex to Roma, Texas. They were crossing the Rio Grande and Border Patrol was waiting for them on the US side of the river. Saul and Luis stayed on the Mexico side and walked along the river so they would not get caught. They supposedly went to another area where they had left a boat and crossed. They have not been heard from since 25 SEPT 2011.

September 14, 2011 Familial relation.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Pedro Murillo Sanchez 30 Years Unknown, Arizona
Pedro and his brother Adan are missing together. They were last seen crossing the U.S.-Mexico border into Arizona.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Adan Murillo Sanchez 26 Years Unknown, Arizona
Adan and his brother Pedro are missing together. They were last seen crossing the U.S.-Mexico border into Arizona.

August 21, 2011 Crossed w/father. Did not find a NamUs profile for Josue's father.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Josue Cruz Roman 20 Years San Luis, Arizona
Josue was last seen crossing the U.S.-Mexico border near San Luis. He and his father were crossing together. More details pending.

October 28, 2009 - Familial relation.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Roque Sanchez Marroquin 30 Years Sasabe, Arizona
Was travelling with Javier Sanchez Marroquin (also missing)

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Javier Sanchez Marroquin 35 Years Sasabe, Arizona
Was last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Sasabe and was traveling with his family member, Roque Sanchez Marroquin (also missing)

July 27, 2011 Traveling with family member. Unsure if Garcia is related to Cristian or if he could be the perpetrator who allegedly violently struck Cristian.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Cristian Sarmiento Vega 30 Years Nogales, Arizona
During the last days of July and early days of August, Cristian attempted to cross the U.S.-Mexico Border near Nogales, AZ. He was traveling with a family member (see police information) who was caught by Border Patrol. This individual said that Cristian had been struck violently by someone, and was left in the desert near a place called "La Brecha" (the Gap).

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Marcos Mendoza Garcia 23 Years Nogales, Arizona
Last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Nogales, AZ

March 10, 2010 No familial relation noted. Same date and location. Oxnard, CA seems an odd place for two men to disappear on the same day (as opposed to a border crossing).

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Sergio Flores 28 Years Oxnard, California
Sergio was last seen in Oxnard California.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Carmelo Duran 20 Years Oxnard, California
Carmelo was last seen at his home in Oxanrd on March 10, 2010.

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***Cases below do not appear to be connected. Noting for further discussion and future reference if needed.***

March 16, 2011 - No familial relation noted. Same date and location.


https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16727?nav
Lorenzo Isaias Lopez Cruz 24 Years Sasabe, Arizona
He was last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Sasabe.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16726?nav
Jose Gabriel Barrios Rodriguez 27 Years Sasabe, Arizona
Arrested on 12/04/09 and sentenced 12/05/09 seven calendar days from the date of detention. USM#: 11185-008, ICE#: A87 756 986. On 05/10/11 received a response from Border Patrol that they had no record of this individual, intervention was requested from other US Consulates.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16725?nav
Jesus Alfredo Barrios Rodriguez 30 Years Sasabe, Arizona
last seen crossing the US/Mexico border

May 29, 2010 - No familial relation noted. Same date and possibly same area.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16504?nav
Gabriel Suarez Acevedo 36 Years Lukeville, Arizona
Was last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Lukeville

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16494?nav
Cirilo Torres Herrera 32 Years Altar, Arizona
He was last seen crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, although the family is unsure of where. It could have been Mexicali/Calexio area, or north of Altar (most likely) or possibly Sonoyta/Lukeville (BBM)

May 28, 2010 No familial relation noted. Same date and location.


https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16501?nav
Jesus Alberto Jimenez Valdez 19 Years Lukeville, Arizona
Was last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Lukeville

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16502?nav
Julio Cesar Valdes Bacaricia 31 Years Lukeville, Arizona
Was last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Lukeville

November 25, 2009 No familial relation noted. Same date and location.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16360?nav
Julio Adrian Hernandez Anestoso 20 Years Nogales, Arizona
Julio was last known to be crossing the U.S.-Mexico border near Nogales. He was using the alias "Isidro Reyes Hernandez."

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16361?nav
Manuel Fernando Estrada Diaz 31 Years Nogales, Arizona
Manuel was last seen crossing the border near either Nogales or Douglas, Arizona.

September 9, 2009 No familial relation noted. Same date. Locations not particularly close. Unlikely these cases are connected.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16331?nav
David Martinez Campos 24 Years Lukeville, Arizona
David Campos was last known to be crossing the United States border near Lukeville, Arizona. He has not been seen or heard from since.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16332?nav
Juan Alcala Avalos 19 Years Sonora, Arizona
Juan was last known to be crossing the border from Altar, Sonora Mexico through Arizona.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16333?nav
Juan Miguel Cortez Ramos 33 Years Nogales, Arizona
He was last seen crossing the US-Mexico border near Nogales. He was heading to Phoenix.

September 1, 2009 No familial relation noted. Same date and possibly same location. Likely no connection.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16326?nav
Pedro Cipriano Tecun 24 Years Tucson, Arizona
Pedro was last seen crossing the border. He may have been left in a desert area near Tucson, Arizona.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16325?nav
Juan Lopez Vail 38 Years Unknown, Arizona
Juan was left in the desert on the 1st of September because he could not continue walking. He also goes by the name Francisco Ruiz Lucero.

September 15, 2010 - No familial relation noted with below: Marcos Garcia (16 Sep '10). Note dates are only one day apart in same location.
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16640?nav
Jose Guadalupe Robledo de Leon 27 Years Nogales, Arizona
Last seen crossing the US/Mexico border.

September 16, 2010 - No familial relation noted with above: Jose Guadalupe Robledo de Leon (15 Sep '10). Note dates are only one day apart in same location.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16641?nav
Marcos Aviles Garcia 25 Years Nogales, Arizona
Last seen crossing the US/Mexico border near Nogales.

November 1, 2011 No familial relation noted. Case summaries do not indicate an immediate connection. One hour distance b/w Brownsville & McAllen. Highly unlikely these cases are related.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16659?nav
Epifanio Rodríguez Popoca 31 Years Brownsville, Texas
Unknown.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/51764?nav
Francisco Us Imul 20 Years McAllen, Texas
Border-Mexico/USA

August 1, 2011 No familial relation noted. Case summaries do not indicate an immediate connection. Locations are about 1 hour apart. Were they traveling with the same group? Highly unlikely these cases are related.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16827?nav
Manuel Guaman Mayancela 21 Years Santa Rosa, Arizona
He was last seen crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. He was left behind by the group near Santa Rosa. He may have lit a fire to call for help. He may have been carrying Guatemalan phone numbers.

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/16829?nav
Enrique Heriberto Marquez Nataren 17 Years Lukeville, Arizona
Enrique called his mother on 1 August 2011 from Altar, saying they would be crossing the next day at Sonoyta/Lukeville. A man crossing with him said that he got very sick, and was vomiting on the way. The coyote called the family on 8 August 2011, saying that Enrique had a heart attack on 5 August 11 and was left behind. He said that this was before reaching the Cerro de Elefante. He said that he was just sick, but didn’t say that he had died.
 
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The NAMUS site shows a map of where the remains were recovered. It's pasture, and near a road (assuming that the marker on the map is accurate). If a freshly deceased corpse had been placed there, it would have been seen by passers-by; this suggests to me that the remains were already significantly decomposed when they were disposed of there. Seems like probably the result of foul play.
 
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Depending on exactly where the remains were found, and what season of the year, the remains could have been fairly well hidden. I dropped the little google person onto the road and looked around; there are a number of gullies and low spots that would make a body hard to spot, moreso if they were farther away from the road.
 
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Depending on exactly where the remains were found, and what season of the year, the remains could have been fairly well hidden. I dropped the little google person onto the road and looked around; there are a number of gullies and low spots that would make a body hard to spot, moreso if they were farther away from the road.

A decomposing human body would have been smelled even if it wasn't immediately visible.

It may be that the marker shown on the map is not correctly placed. I just looked at the NAMUS map marker for another case and I saw immediately that the marker location was wildly misplaced.
 
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A decomposing human body would have been smelled even if it wasn't immediately visible.

It may be that the marker shown on the map is not correctly placed. I just looked at the NAMUS map marker for another case and I saw immediately that the marker location was wildly misplaced.

Yeah except in a few cases where a specific address is included, those markers are generally pretty approximate. I imagine it's somewhere in that agricultural area though.

Smell: well, yeah, but that area is so sparsely populated that maybe nobody was near enough to smell it. Also, we've seen cases where nobody noticed bodies under the bed or behind a sofa.
 
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~30 miles to Ohio.
 
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Looks like a guy was charged with their murder but the article is paywalled
https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article44374674.html

Edit: dug a little deeper, the guy charged is Mariano Arias, a migrant worker but charges were dismissed. Idk what happened there.
The Herald is awful. The article didn't say how police connected the accused person to the slayings, or give any indication of motive. Was there a bill of indictment, or a statement of probable cause? Some official document would have been required to arrest him, this long after the crime....
 
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The Herald is awful. The article didn't say how police connected the accused person to the slayings, or give any indication of motive. Was there a bill of indictment, or a statement of probable cause? Some official document would have been required to arrest him, this long after the crime....
The article isn't recent. He was arrested in August 2012. You're right though it's a puzzle.
 

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