KY - Multiple casualties in active shooter situation at Old National Bank in Louisville, Apr 2023 *suspect dead*

[fred&edna]

9 minutes of chaos: Swift LMPD response saved lives at Louisville bank shooting, officials say

About nine minutes after the first 911 call about Monday's devastating mass shooting inside downtown Louisville's Old National Bank, Louisville Metro Police killed the shooter.

Officer Cory Galloway, who was grazed in his left side, fired the round that took down the assailant, LMPD officials said at a press conference a day after the chaos unfolded.

 

[mickey2942]

It sounds like the perpetrator was having problems at work, and that was what precipitated this incident. Should HR do an assessment on employees, when they are referred for counseling?

It sounds like this should be pretty easy, if the person scores "high" on a potential violence scale, no performance plan, just cut them a check and call it done.

 

[Stunned]

I have thought about this since I made my post. I don't understand the mind of a suicidal maniac obviously. But even if I felt wronged and was suicidal, I wouldn't think that I would want the world to see my last minutes as doing something absolutely horrific, being a monster. Why do they? Culture seems to glorify monsters now days I guess. Is that it?

It feels like they’ve inserted themselves into a violent video game. Maybe that’s what it appears and feels like to them. IMO

 

[dotr]

 

[housewife]

A work colleague is currently on a PIP (performance improvement). A few weeks ago, he got upset in a review meeting (down the hall) and slammed his fists on the table. My immediate thought was to dive under my desk and hide.

I read this and felt I had to go back and respond... You have valid reasons for feeling anxious. That is concerning behavior. I truly feel you need to protect yourself from this colleague because I feel his actions would only escalate as time goes on. There are threat assessment quizzes online you can fill out regarding his past behavior that may help identify other warning signs of hostility.
I would also continue to be vigilant after he is fired. He may try to show up at your workplace again, or the parking lot. Make sure your front desk/security/reception area is given a photo of him.
If I find more information regarding threat assessment, I will update my post with it. Stay well.

 

[avalonisland]

Dispatch audio reveals Louisville shooter told friend about plans to ‘kill everyone’

Sturgeon went on rampage after being notified that the bank where he had worked since 2021 was ending his employment

www.independent.co.uk

He worked here three summers as intern then fulltime after college graduation. I wonder why he was terminated? Also, he bought gone week ago, so was he fired week ago?

 

[avalonisland]

A work colleague is currently on a PIP (performance improvement). A few weeks ago, he got upset in a review meeting (down the hall) and slammed his fists on the table. My immediate thought was to dive under my desk and hide.

PIP usually imo, based on experience, is not good for that employee. But to think that employee would go and start cold blood murdering work employees...please don't think like that. I do think HR should maybe put mental health as a priority when they fire people. It's really so much more than just losing a paycheck.

 

[avalonisland]

It seems more and more of these shooters livestream these attacks. I have to admit that I really don't quite understand why.

Maybe try to understand that some employees are not mentally health fine with the way termination of employment happens. It seems to have been life altering for this young adult who spent three summers as an intern at this bank and then chose this bank for full time employment post college graduation. Firing is a very stressful situation for employee and sadly, this guy handled it by killing co-workers prior to allowing basically for police to kill him. Maybe employers should better then way they axe employees with today's mental health crisis perhaps?

 

[avalonisland]

The shooter Had been fired, and the shooter was ABOUT TO BE fired. I have seen it reported both ways now, and it cannot be both. Of all the things unknown at this point, that should not be one of them. A bank manager was attending the staff meeting virtually, and surely would know the employee status of the shooter. While someone may have an idea it is about to happen, I do not believe a company will announce a specific future date that said that employee is going to be terminated. Aside from possibly creating a situation exactly like what happened yesterday, an employee with computer access can cause a company all kinds of issues by sharing, altering, or deleting vital information before they are terminated, if they know it is about to happen.

While I have never been employed in banking, I have been in the position of hiring and terminating employees for many years, before I retired. Anytime that I have ever had to terminate someone, I have never put myself in a situation where it was just the employee and me in an office. I always made certain to have at least one other person in the office with me, normally that employee's immediate supervisor, and always a female if it was a female who was about to be released The employee did not know they were being terminated until they were summoned to the office. Also, immediately after being terminated, the employee would be escorted from the premises by security, and asked not to return. Any personal belongings left behind were boxed up and were either allowed to be picked up by a third party, or were mailed to the employee.

I would think that, or some similar way, would be how most companies, including banks, terminate employees. I do hope we get clarification on this part of the story soon. JMO

There are so many unknowns to Sturgeon's "firing/termination of employment" imo. Also, Sturgeon bought the weapon he used to kill like a week ago, so if the killings were as a result of firing, was Sturgeon an ex-employee at the time? I hope there is clarification

 

[Gemmie]

I have thought about this since I made my post. I don't understand the mind of a suicidal maniac obviously. But even if I felt wronged and was suicidal, I wouldn't think that I would want the world to see my last minutes as doing something absolutely horrific, being a monster. Why do they? Culture seems to glorify monsters now days I guess. Is that it?

IMO I feel like they feel they have been wronged so want to take out those individuals. Wronged could mean any number of things depending on what had gone on in the shooters life, and where/who he was taking out. Were they mean? Did he feel like they were ganging up against him when in fact it was simply a matter of workers handling an HR issue (He didn't work out in the job so was being cut loose for whatever reasons) and he took it personal? I think it's human nature to do that. It's like self-preservation for the mind. People don't like being wrong so whatever he was (likely) written up about, while fact to the supervisors, wasn't true in his mind, so therefore it's their fault, or they are mean, or they didn't like me, etc.

There can be a while variety of reasons for wanting to take others out and not only die by suicide and leave others be. I feel they snap from whatever the stressors are, and want to hurt others like they are hurting. I also believe it's done in anger, not like they want to be glorified monsters. Well, some do. Take Columbine for instance.

If it wasn't obvious... all that was MOO. I'm not a psychiatrist or other professional. It's just how things make sense to me when I think about why some people might do these sorts of things.

Here is a snippet the the link below on understanding why some do mass shootings. Sub "school teachers" for "bankers" or "peers" since it's not just happening in schools.

School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as “collateral damage.”

At Last We Know Why the Columbine Killers Did It

Most Americans have reached one of two wrong conclusions.

slate.com

 

[avalonisland]

Most shooters are not mentally ill and there's no evidence this shooter was mentally ill, so there being mentally ill people there is irrelevant right now. I am glad that your husband is ok.

Maybe he was not diagnosed as mentally ill, but the firing at age 25 after working for the company since like 2018...like had he learned about how failing or firing or other adversities are just a part of normal life or was he constantly put on a pedestal by family to have to be perfect? This guy worked intern summer jobs at this bank (probably maybe making peanuts income) then goes fulltime after masters degree college graduation, only to be fired less than 2 years later...he may have had a mental anxiety crisis yet he bought a gun a week ago and was greeted with politeness as he entered bank yesterday...something is not right

 

[avalonisland]

IMO I feel like they feel they have been wronged so want to take out those individuals. Wronged could mean any number of things depending on what had gone on in the shooters life, and where/who he was taking out. Were they mean? Did he feel like they were ganging up against him when in fact it was simply a matter of workers handling an HR issue (He didn't work out in the job so was being cut loose for whatever reasons) and he took it personal? I think it's human nature to do that. It's like self-preservation for the mind. People don't like being wrong so whatever he was (likely) written up about, while fact to the supervisors, wasn't true in his mind, so therefore it's their fault, or they are mean, or they didn't like me, etc.

There can be a while variety of reasons for wanting to take others out and not only die by suicide and leave others be. I feel they snap from whatever the stressors are, and want to hurt others like they are hurting. I also believe it's done in anger, not like they want to be glorified monsters. Well, some do. Take Columbine for instance.

If it wasn't obvious... all that was MOO. I'm not a psychiatrist or other professional. It's just how things make sense to me when I think about why some people might do these sorts of things.

Here is a snippet the the link below on understanding why some do mass shootings. Sub "school teachers" for "bankers" or "peers" since it's not just happening in schools.

School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as “collateral damage.”

At Last We Know Why the Columbine Killers Did It

Most Americans have reached one of two wrong conclusions.

slate.com

If his priority was to commit suicide, he would have done so as a priority before the killings. He clearly did not know how to process a firing from his only source of career ambition and paycheck. Life goes on from most after the firing of a job, but for this guy, maybe his self esteem and anger became so off the charts that this is how he felt to cope. It is sick and wrong what he did, but I would like to see how the bank handled the getting rid of him as employee.

 

[?!?]

If his priority was to commit suicide, he would have done so as a priority before the killings. He clearly did not know how to process a firing from his only source of career ambition and paycheck. Life goes on from most after the firing of a job, but for this guy, maybe his self esteem and anger became so off the charts that this is how he felt to cope. It is sick and wrong what he did, but I would like to see how the bank handled the getting rid of him as employee.

We also don't know (AFAIK) whether meds or street drugs are involved.

 

[Gemmie]

Maybe he was not diagnosed as mentally ill, but the firing at age 25 after working for the company since like 2018...like had he learned about how failing or firing or other adversities are just a part of normal life or was he constantly put on a pedestal by family to have to be perfect? This guy worked intern summer jobs at this bank (probably maybe making peanuts income) then goes fulltime after masters degree college graduation, only to be fired less than 2 years later...he may have had a mental anxiety crisis yet he bought a gun a week ago and was greeted with politeness as he entered bank yesterday...something is not right

His family said he had mental health "challenges" which were being "actively addressed"

"While Connor, like many of his contemporaries, had mental health challenges which we, as a family, were actively addressing, there were never any warning signs or indications he was capable of this shocking act," according to a statement sent to WDRB News by the family. "

Family of Louisville shooter said he had 'mental health challenges' but 'no warning signs' of 'shocking' mass shooting

"No words can express our sorrow, anguish, and horror at the unthinkable harm our son Connor inflicted on innocent people, their families, and the entire Louisville community," according to his

www.wdrb.com

 

[airportwoman]

JMO but it seems overt to me——they want notoriety and having a live audience increases that exponentially.

Unfortunately, for me 9/11 was “live-streamed” because I’m in NYC and could see the aftermath (the smoke and ashes) from my classroom window. My daughter was working downtown and saw the second plane hit, because everyone went out to look after the first plane.

It was live as live could be for us because we had hysterical students and staff with family who worked in the WTC.
I do agree if those terrorists had a way to show it live to the world, they would have, gladly.

IMO live-streaming a murder, especially a mass murder, not only brings attention to the killer from those who may be watching, but has the damning effect of “inspiring” those of like mind.

Technically, Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald was, too. My mother remembers it vividly because it happened on her first day of maternity leave; she was 6 months pregnant with me and a few days earlier, the doctor had just found my heartbeat and the nurse came in and told them what had just happened.

(FYI for younger WSers: Many employers required pregnant women to quit their jobs at mid-pregnancy, if they didn't fire them outright upon the discovery of their condition. Hers did not, and in fact gave women a year's unpaid leave and they could still get their jobs back. She wanted to work until I was born, if she could, but my father believed, and still does, that women should not work outside the home during late pregnancy and insisted she leave then, a decision she balked at at the time but later agreed was a good idea. That maternity leave ended up lasting 18 years.)

 

[airportwoman]

It sounds like the perpetrator was having problems at work, and that was what precipitated this incident. Should HR do an assessment on employees, when they are referred for counseling?

It sounds like this should be pretty easy, if the person scores "high" on a potential violence scale, no performance plan, just cut them a check and call it done.

And then open yourself up for discrimination lawsuits? Sorry, unless a person is overtly violent, you just can't do that nowadays.

I forgot to mention that the job I was fired from in 2010 was at a hospital, and I was never told that I couldn't set foot on the campus. Our department did, however, have several people who were fired, or quit under bad circumstances, and were told that until further notice, they could not be on the hospital grounds unless they were there for treatment. In 18 years as a practicing pharmacist, the ONLY time I was acutely afraid at work was when a technician was fired, and her interesting (and not in a good way, either) boyfriend stopped by a few days later to drop off some paperwork that our director needed to sign. I was not the only employee who went to the back room, prepared to call for help at any time if we heard anything we shouldn't have, but he got the signatures and left without incident.

(Several years later, she posted on Facebook, for the gazillionth time, "We are finished! We are through! He is GONE this time and I MEAN IT!" and I replied, "Yeah, right; how many times have we heard that before?" which led to me being unfriended and blocked. Oh, well. I later heard that she DID eventually ditch him, moved away, and married someone else, and he's now in prison. She was a good person from a really bad family.)

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Maybe he was not diagnosed as mentally ill, but the firing at age 25 after working for the company since like 2018...like had he learned about how failing or firing or other adversities are just a part of normal life or was he constantly put on a pedestal by family to have to be perfect? This guy worked intern summer jobs at this bank (probably maybe making peanuts income) then goes fulltime after masters degree college graduation, only to be fired less than 2 years later...he may have had a mental anxiety crisis yet he bought a gun a week ago and was greeted with politeness as he entered bank yesterday...something is not right

Sometimes criminals are just plain criminals. Lawlessness doesn't equal mental illness, though it seems to be a scapegoat for TV pundits and journalists. I see the family has said he had "mental health challenges." Without knowing what that means, I'm still not going to call him mentally ill unless we learn more. The research tells us that the majority of mass shooters actually aren't mentally ill, even though they're labeled as such because people don't know any other way to explain them behaving oddly prior to the shootings. Mental illness is defined as having a diagnosable pathology. The only way it's connected to mass shootings is if that pathology caused them to carry out the shootings. Even people who have, say, depression or anxiety can become mass shooters due to their criminal tendencies without it being blamed on mental illness.

 

[mickey2942]

And then open yourself up for discrimination lawsuits? Sorry, unless a person is overtly violent, you just can't do that nowadays.

I forgot to mention that the job I was fired from in 2010 was at a hospital, and I was never told that I couldn't set foot on the campus. Our department did, however, have several people who were fired, or quit under bad circumstances, and were told that until further notice, they could not be on the hospital grounds unless they were there for treatment. In 18 years as a practicing pharmacist, the ONLY time I was acutely afraid at work was when a technician was fired, and her interesting (and not in a good way, either) boyfriend stopped by a few days later to drop off some paperwork that our director needed to sign. I was not the only employee who went to the back room, prepared to call for help at any time if we heard anything we shouldn't have, but he got the signatures and left without incident.

(Several years later, she posted on Facebook, for the gazillionth time, "We are finished! We are through! He is GONE this time and I MEAN IT!" and I replied, "Yeah, right; how many times have we heard that before?" which led to me being unfriended and blocked. Oh, well. I later heard that she DID eventually ditch him, moved away, and married someone else, and he's now in prison. She was a good person from a really bad family.)

I am not suggesting that they tell someone he is potentially violent. But, being put on a PIP, just because it is CYA for a company, is actually mentally cruel. It is better to just tell someone they are not working out, here is your last check. Done.

 

[airportwoman]

A work colleague is currently on a PIP (performance improvement). A few weeks ago, he got upset in a review meeting (down the hall) and slammed his fists on the table. My immediate thought was to dive under my desk and hide.

Did he have a history of this kind of behavior? If he doesn't, most likely he would be referred for counseling and anger management therapy.

 

[PrairieWind]

IMO I feel like they feel they have been wronged so want to take out those individuals. Wronged could mean any number of things depending on what had gone on in the shooters life, and where/who he was taking out. Were they mean? Did he feel like they were ganging up against him when in fact it was simply a matter of workers handling an HR issue (He didn't work out in the job so was being cut loose for whatever reasons) and he took it personal? I think it's human nature to do that. It's like self-preservation for the mind. People don't like being wrong so whatever he was (likely) written up about, while fact to the supervisors, wasn't true in his mind, so therefore it's their fault, or they are mean, or they didn't like me, etc.

There can be a while variety of reasons for wanting to take others out and not only die by suicide and leave others be. I feel they snap from whatever the stressors are, and want to hurt others like they are hurting. I also believe it's done in anger, not like they want to be glorified monsters. Well, some do. Take Columbine for instance.

If it wasn't obvious... all that was MOO. I'm not a psychiatrist or other professional. It's just how things make sense to me when I think about why some people might do these sorts of things.

Here is a snippet the the link below on understanding why some do mass shootings. Sub "school teachers" for "bankers" or "peers" since it's not just happening in schools.

School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as “collateral damage.”

At Last We Know Why the Columbine Killers Did It

Most Americans have reached one of two wrong conclusions.

slate.com

Oh I get why some people may want to kill others that they feel have wronged them; "take them out." But why do they want to vide it, why do they want people to see it? To me, it ultimately shows that they themselves are the horrible person, not the person they are shooting.