Kyle Clifford: Wanted in connection with triple murder in Bushey, 3 women murdered in home, 9th July 2024 *arrest*

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They crack on if that’s their clients instructions.
I dread to think what he is purporting to say in his “ defence “
JMO
 
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Kyle Clifford, 26, from Enfield, was accused of stabbing Carol Hunt, 61, to death and fatally shooting Louise, 25, and Hannah Hunt, 28, with a crossbow at their family home in Bushey, Hertfordshire, on 9 July last year.
 
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Kyle Clifford, 26, from Enfield, was accused of stabbing Carol Hunt, 61, to death and fatally shooting Louise, 25, and Hannah Hunt, 28, with a crossbow at their family home in Bushey, Hertfordshire, on 9 July last year.

There will still be a trial unfortunately as he plead not guilty to rape
 
  • #424
Anyone know if leniency can be expected for people who change their plea? I know the courts look at it differently if they plead guilty straight away and get guilty but for this being I'm wondering. He deserves a wlo without a doubt. It should be the harshest punishment available.
 
  • #425
There will still be a trial unfortunately as he plead not guilty to rape
I wasn't aware there was a rape charge. Did that allegedly happen before the murders? What a shocking s show. Total scum.
 
  • #426
I wasn't aware there was a rape charge. Did that allegedly happen before the murders? What a shocking s show. Total scum.
Yes he was charged with raping Louise on the 9th July.
He's the absolute worst.
 
  • #427
There will still be a trial unfortunately as he plead not guilty to rape
That charge may be dropped as he is going to get life for the murders anyway. A trial on a lesser charge would be a waste of time and resources.
 
  • #428
That charge may be dropped as he is going to get life for the murders anyway. A trial on a lesser charge would be a waste of time and resources.
I would hope it was kept and used as a reason to install the maximum punishment. In short that's adding insult to injury and I stand by what I said. If they do something like that I genuinely believe the ultimate punishment should be dealt out. Absolutely sickening.
 
  • #429
Anyone know if leniency can be expected for people who change their plea? I know the courts look at it differently if they plead guilty straight away and get guilty but for this being I'm wondering. He deserves a wlo without a doubt. It should be the harshest punishment available.
He may get some mitigation for pleading guilty, but it probably won't make much difference as the starting point for calculating the tariff for a triple murder involving substantial premeditation and planning should be a whole life order. It would take significant mitigating factors to reduce the tariff to something other than whole life.

 
  • #430
Yes he was charged with raping Louise on the 9th July.
He's the absolute worst.

It's very telling that the accused pled guilty to murder but not guilty to rape of the victim.

It shows IMO
that he treated her as his "property" to do as he pleased.
Even after they parted ways.

He doesn't seem to treat this act as rape but something he was entitled to.
He seems to still seethe with rage that the victim "dared" to leave him.

JMO
 
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  • #431
I would hope it was kept and used as a reason to install the maximum punishment. In short that's adding insult to injury and I stand by what I said. If they do something like that I genuinely believe the ultimate punishment should be dealt out. Absolutely sickening.
It would be a separate charge and sentence. I think he's likely to get a whole life order anyway. There are plenty of aggravating factors.
 
  • #432
I would like to see this individual go to a place where he will be surrounded by people who are visibly in need of that sort of confinement. broadmoor or wakefield. both are places full to the brim with people unable to feed this guys ego unlike many other prisons in the system, you would be surprised to learn that, for what he did he might not receive the condemnation we would like to see. an example is jordan mcsweeney who has had a relationship with a guard. the notoriety he would get would be more gratifying than negative. this should definietley be a part of the punishment. weirdly enough our longest serving prisoner robert maudsley has done less than all of the people he hurt in terms of grieviousness of wrong and jordan mcsweeney and kyle clifford imoo. i think sending that sort to be around that sort would be a fitting and just punishment otherwise they just get pats on the back by others of that sort which is exactly the opposite of what is wanted and imo just.
 
  • #433
It would be a separate charge and sentence. I think he's likely to get a whole life order anyway. There are plenty of aggravating factors.

Agree. This will be a whole life tariff. Ticks several boxes and the heinous nature of the crime makes such a decision more straightforward I'd imagine for the sentencing judge.

I know it's from a law office, but the link below offers a useful take with examples on life vs whole life.

 
  • #434
It's very telling that the accused pled guilty to murder but not guilty to rape of the victim.

It shows IMO
that he treated her as his "property" to do as he pleased.
Even after they parted ways.

He doesn't seem to treat this act as rape but something he was entitled to.
He seems to still seethe with rage that the victim "dared" to leave him.

JMO
Agree with you 100%.

I hope this still goes to trial rather than the lesser charge being dropped. As a matter of principal I want him to be known as a rapist as well as a murderer rapists often get a tougher time in prison

My thoughts go out to the husband/father, surviving sibling and rest of the family
 
  • #435
I hope this still goes to trial rather than the lesser charge being dropped. As a matter of principal I want him to be known as a rapist as well as a murderer rapists often get a tougher time in prison

I agree.
The accused should be held accountable for every crime against the victims.
For the respect of their suffering.
For Justice.

JMO
 
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I assumed that
 
  • #437
I assumed that the accused had been in the property for hours from earlier reporting but today it said he had entered the house about 6.30pm and that's when the screams began , so he didn't seem to be there for long
 
  • #438
I agree.
The accused should be held accountable for every crime against the victims.
For the respect of their suffering.
For Justice.

JMO
MOO Just underscoring this. Possibly IMO he did not plead guilty to the rape because there is a stigma around rape that's different than murder. Basically it could emasculate him if he had to admit he had to force her. He likely IMO wanted to take away every bit of her power but convicting him of this depraved act would demonstrate HE has no power. He is nothing. He would forever be known as BOTH a convicted rapist and murderer the lowest of the low. MOO
 
  • #439
He would presumably claim that it was consensual as his defence.
But would there be any evidence against him? Any witnesses?
I don't know the circumstances of the alleged rape, but it might be difficult to prove now.
 
  • #440
I think the CPS need to think really long and hard, with full consultation and transparency with John and Amy Hunt about whether or not pursuing a trial for the one outstanding charge on file is in the best interest of the next of kin and the public. They have a defendant who, yesterday, acknowledged guilt for a large number of truly atrocious criminal offences. Add to that, the complications of transporting a man in Mr Clifford's physical condition to court every day for trial, after his unsuccessful attempt to un-alive himself in the cemetery in Enfield.

JMO
 

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