Kyron Horman Case Going Cold?

[miabellamoure]

What does that mean anyway? What kind of concerns does LE concern themselves with that aren't cases?

Good question!

 

[tlcya]

I was hoping the past tense referred to the event (Kyron's disappearance from a school) and not that the past tense referrence was regarding Kyron himself.

 

[cluciano63]

I think it is cold in the sense that LE has its suspect (Terri) but is stuck waiting for evidence enough to go foward with a case. They may remain stuck until Kyron is found. This is not one of those cases without a body, i.e. Venus Stewart, possibly Stacy Peterson, that might be (somewhat) easily prosecuted without finding Kyron as there are just too many variables, if no one saw Terri take Kyron away that day. So while I doubt they will quit working the case, they seem to be kind of waiting for that one piece of proof that may or may not ever come.

Right now I don't see how they can prove means or opportunity...we know they don't have to prove motive-or even what the crime is. She could have done it...but so could have others.

 

[passionflower]

JMOO, I just have a feeing that this is a complicated case and not going cold.
Just like the Lacy P., Stacy P., Susan P.,Haleigh the LE know so much but needs
something to happen before they can do an arrest etc.
It may take years but IMO when a child goes missing, LE NEVER give up!!

 

[BeanE]

Oh I don't think they're going to quit working the case yet. I think they'll have the two detectives active for the next four months, and hopefully after that.

I'm not confident that Staton's going to get people from other places to put their budget money towards his case. Unless of course, they owe him, or someone else with influence, favors.

 

[ami]

I don't know, with the amount of talking McCain is doing and the amount of quiet LE prefers, I'm confident they are not sharing info with McCain. So he's essentially in the same boat we are with regard to the investigation, only with enough LE experience to speculate more professionally. Still speculation, though.

Oh, and I wanted to add:


"no suspect, no person of interest, frankly, not even an identifiable crime"

There's no suspect or person of interest in the same way there's no "identifiable crime" - we know these things exist, we strongly suspect there's been a crime and Kyron did not walk away and get lost in the woods. We suspect LE has at least one person of interest and possibly even in their minds a suspect. It's not officially recorded as such (crime, POI, suspect) but only in the legal sense of those terms.

As when Laci Peterson went missing and there was no official "crime" and no official "suspect" even as they bugged Scott Peterson's phone and had police details following him all over California as they looked for Laci's body in ravines. The reality and what they can say officially about a case is often pretty different.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think anyone is denying there is a crime here...just that LE can't name it in order to proceed with charges.

 

[ami]

I don't think anyone is denying there is a crime here...just that LE can't name it in order to proceed with charges.

I know, I was just referring to the quote that there wasn't an identifiable crime ... which is true enough, but also not true in a certain sense.

I want to believe that Kyron's disappearance is not a cold case, so I want to take anything negative said about it with a grain of salt... just my own mind frame right now.

 

[desquire]

I don't think anyone is denying there is a crime here...just that LE can't name it in order to proceed with charges.

No, I think his point actually was that there's not even any (public) evidence that would indicate a crime was committed. If you have no evidence of someone taking Kyron from that school then, by extension, you have no evidence that Kyron didn't just wander off and meet with an accident. That scenario may be highly unlikely but the fact that it is still a possible scenario at this point in the investigation is a problem.

 

[nursebeeme]

just my two cents but I do not believe this case is cold. I also do not agree with this talking head. I am choosing right now to believe what LE said at the press conference yesterday and I am still going to have faith in them.

moo

 

[fryhisbutt]

JMOO, I just have a feeing that this is a complicated case and not going cold.
Just like the Lacy P., Stacy P., Susan P.,Haleigh the LE know so much but needs
something to happen before they can do an arrest etc.
It may take years but IMO when a child goes missing, LE NEVER give up!!

ITA... Here in MN we have Jacob Wetterling who has been missing since 1989. Some may call it a cold case but just this June they were back at the neighbors house hauling away trucks of dirt and claimed to have items of interest into Jacob's disapearance. I do believe too, like you, that LE never gives up on the children.


MOO

 

[Adrienne37]

Staton certainly did not indicate yesterday that this case was going cold and I believe that McCain (sp?) needs to keep his mouth out of the media, JMO. There have been several things that he has already mispoken on, especially regarding the start date of the new school year, and I believe he is very uninformed about the details of this case. I believe he knows absolutely no more than what the media and the public know, and as well as know from that, it's very little.

 

[Billylee]

No, I think his point actually was that there's not even any (public) evidence that would indicate a crime was committed. If you have no evidence of someone taking Kyron from that school then, by extension, you have no evidence that Kyron didn't just wander off and meet with an accident. That scenario may be highly unlikely but the fact that it is still a possible scenario at this point in the investigation is a problem.

IDK where McCain is coming from, because according to Capt. Gates at the "public" Aug 11 presser;


When asked about the surveillance footage from the FM's, gates says "we are examining a major ton of EVIDENCE"


Now, we don't know what that evidence is, but it must be there, or Gates is misinforming all of us, which I doubt.

 

[believe09]

So the Grand Jury did not return an indictment-really? I am surprised. I thought the threshold was far lower than with a criminal trial.

 

[believe09]

No identifiable crime? I thought they were stating he was the victim of a kidnapping. I must have missed a lot currently.

 

[BeanE]

No identifiable crime? I thought they were stating he was the victim of a kidnapping. I must have missed a lot currently.

I haven't heard what charge the DA was going after with the GJ, but from what LE said at one press conference, about a crime being committed because Kyron has been denied his parents for 53 days, something like that, I thought probably custodial interference.

 

[Kat]

No this isn't a cold case as of yet IMHO.

To me a cold case is defined by every lead and tip have been run down and ruled out and no new leads coming in.

Every POI or Suspect (even if unnamed in the media) has been ruled out.

Every i dotted and every t crossed, by going back and reviewing the leads, tips, and POI's and Suspects before shelving the case.

Then after all of that with no resolution, it becomes a cold case. JMHO.

 

[Aedrys]

So the Grand Jury did not return an indictment-really? I am surprised. I thought the threshold was far lower than with a criminal trial.

I don't recall that ever being said at the press conference. I don't think they mentioned the GJ at all. At least, I don't remember them saying the GJ didn't return an indictment...

 

[BeanE]

So the Grand Jury did not return an indictment-really? I am surprised. I thought the threshold was far lower than with a criminal trial.

Yes, the threshold is much lower. They simply answer if there's enough probable cause to charge the person.

No indictment. It was just reported maybe a week ago that the GJ has been suspended.

 

[Aedrys]

Yes, the threshold is much lower. They simply answer if there's enough probable cause to charge the person.

No indictment. It was just reported maybe a week ago that the GJ has been suspended.

Ohhhh! Thank you, Bean. I was going crazy.

So that doesn't mean they didn't return an indictment. It could just mean they're taking a break or something.