Kyron Horman Case Going Cold?

[BeanE]

Ohhhh! Thank you, Bean. I was going crazy.

So that doesn't mean they didn't return an indictment. It could just mean they're taking a break or something.

If they had returned an indictment, I'm sure there would have been an arrest.

:cow:

 

[Aedrys]

If they had returned an indictment, I'm sure there would have been an arrest.

:cow:

I understand that, but it's possible that they haven't finished looking at everything yet. There's a lot of information to go through here. It's possible that they are taking break and will start up again soon. I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that no indictment was handed down. GJ's can be investigative, as was stated many times when they were first convened. They are not called ONLY for indictments. The eventual goal may be that, but that doesn't mean after one session they're just done and no more.

 

[believe09]

Yes, the threshold is much lower. They simply answer if there's enough probable cause to charge the person.

No indictment. It was just reported maybe a week ago that the GJ has been suspended.

So they were split-really? Or they returned an indictment and the DA is holding it close to his/her vest...Or they didnt return one which would really surprise me. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence here.

:waitasec:

 

[believe09]

I dont know that there would have been an arrest-it might be based upon evidence that LE doesnt want released yet.

Hmmm

 

[believe09]

It could be also that their term of service expired...didnt they rush Casey Anthony's case to an empaneled seasoned GJ because they didnt want to have newbies??

 

[BeanE]

I understand that, but it's possible that they haven't finished looking at everything yet. There's a lot of information to go through here. It's possible that they are taking break and will start up again soon. I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that no indictment was handed down. GJ's can be investigative, as was stated many times when they were first convened. They are not called ONLY for indictments. The eventual goal may be that, but that doesn't mean after one session they're just done and no more.

Oh yes, they can be called back, per the info provided in the questions for lawyers thread. Suspended doesn't mean it's over.

I indeed recall posting some quotes that GJs can be for investigation, but I was convinced by the good people here that they in fact are not, in Oregon.

 

[BeanE]

So they were split-really? Or they returned an indictment and the DA is holding it close to his/her vest...Or they didnt return one which would really surprise me. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence here.

:waitasec:

Split? lol. Sorry, believe. I don't know what you mean. No indictment has been reported, and there has been no arrest.

 

[scrunchngo]

I assume these smaller jurisdictions are the Troutdale and Fairview areas....I wonder why they'd be included.

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I stepped away from this forum a few weeks ago so decided to break. Yesterday's presser brought me back..ANYWAY

I had this same thought when I heard Staton indicate the task force would include these departments. Why? And then it dawned on me. Multnomah County is basically the City of Portland, Oregon and the surrounding unincorporated areas. The only other "cities" in Multnomah county that have police departments are Gresham, Oregon and Troutdale, Oregon along with the Port or Portland Police. So I am concluding that the Multnomah County Sheriff's Department has pretty solid working relationships with the PDs located within their county. And it makes sense to my anyway that the County would look to the cities within their boundries for support of the investigation.

(Before I am corrected, the northern portion of Lake Oswego is also located in Multnomah county, but the majority of LO proper is in Clackamas county)

 

[grayjay]

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I had this same thought when I heard Staton indicate the task force would include these departments. Why? And then it dawned on me. Multnomah County is basically the City of Portland, Oregon and the surrounding unincorporated areas. The only other "cities" in Multnomah county that have police departments are Gresham, Oregon and Troutdale, Oregon along with the Port or Portland Police. So I am concluding that the Multnomah County Sheriff's Department has pretty solid working relationships with the PDs located within their county. And it makes sense to my anyway that the County would look to the cities within their boundries for support of the investigation.

(Before I am corrected, the northern portion of Lake Oswego is also located in Multnomah county, but the majority of LO proper is in Clackamas county)

So I'm wondering from umpteen hundred miles away, if Sheriff Staton is just moving money from one cookie jar into another.

I can't let this case go, and when these people start talking about what they know as personally sickening, I don't think they will, either.

If the definition of "cold" is that phase where the media pays no attention, I'm not sure even that's the case, at least not on the day the Oprah segment aired.

I think they'll have detectives on the case, and also a much clearer focus of where they have to be every day, to get the evidence they need.

If push comes to shove, and Staton needs more resources, he can trade on some details that will regain public sympathies and keep people interested in solving the case.

His career is on the line. JMO but I believe he's got about $1M worth of results for the money spent at this point and no reason to let it go.

 

[believe09]

Split? lol. Sorry, believe. I don't know what you mean. No indictment has been reported, and there has been no arrest.

I dont know the terms, BeanE-what if they were hung?

 

[BeanE]

I dont know the terms, BeanE-what if they were hung?

Oh gosh, believe. I see what you mean. I don't know. I don't know if it has to be unanimous or a majority or what, and I don't know what happens if they can't reach a decision.

Does anyone know? Or should we ask in the lawyer question thread?

 

[crystalgenie]

The fiscal year for Multonomah county runs July 1 - June 30. The county had just adopted their 2011 budget and implented July 1, 2010.

July 22, 2010

Sheriff Dan Staton, meanwhile, canceled his request today for $242,609 in additional funds. Staton said he’s able to return $900,000 to the county because of efficiencies in his office. Staton told the board he needs to hire an additional investigative technician, and he will report back in October on how much the investigation has cost.

The Multnomah County Board of Commissioners today approved an additional $196,034 to continue the seven-week-old investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman.

District Attorney Mike Schrunk said the money is needed to cover an additional prosecutor and other costs, but he’s not sure how much longer the investigation into the missing 7-year-old will continue at the current pace.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/multnomah-county/

July 27, 2010

As prosecutors impaneled a grand jury, police Tuesday said they could not provide details on an ongoing criminal investigation.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-grand-jury-convenes/story?id=11257303



Now Kyron's investigation begins almost a month (June 4, 2010) before the end of the fiscal year for Multonomah County.

A couple of days prior to the 26th of June the failed murder-for-hire sting.

June 26 - KH is informed about a alledged murder-for-hire plot.

July 13 - The sexting info hits the news.

Sometime around the 13th or 14th of July DS's condo is searched.

July 22 - A mere 7 weeks after Kyron's disappearance Staton returns almost a million dollars and canceled a request for additional funds??? Meanwhile the DA asks for additional funds to hire an additonal prosecutor and for other costs...

It is looking like all eggs are in the "TMH did it basket".



September 10, 2010

During August, a grand jury in the case remained busy, with school employees, friends of Terri Horman, and many others called to testify. But the grand jury suspended itself for the time being.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-eighth-birthday-is-today-missing-portland-102488964.html


September 16, 2010

BIG CHANGES IN THE SEARCH FOR LITTLE KYRON HORMAN.
HE'S BEEN MISSING FOR THREE MONTHS.. AND FOR INVESTIGATORS IN PORTLAND, OREGON, IT'S BECOME THE MOST EXPENSIVE INVESTIGATION EVER.
AS CBS NEWS CORRESPONDENT BEN TRACY REPORTS, THE SHERIFF SAYS THEY CAN'T KEEP GOING ON LIKE THIS.

http://wdef.com/news/big_changes_in_the_search_for_little_kyron_horman/09/2010

September 16, 2010
Now, authorities have announced a major change in their investigation, in part because they're running out of money. The search for the Portland, Ore., boy has become the most expensive in the local sheriff's department's history.

However, CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy pointed out, after spending more than $1 million trying to find the 8-year-old, the Multnomah County sheriff is pulling all but two of his detectives and one technician off the case.

McCain said on "The Early Show" Thursday, "Even though the sheriff says this is not being scaled back, the fact is, when you're the lead agency and you're now paring back to only 30 percent of a task force, there is no other way to describe that than scaling back. The real problem here (is that) he will try to shift up to 70 percent of the cost of this investigation to smaller cities and jurisdictions that have nothing to do with the Kyron case jurisdictionally. It will be a tough sale, so by default, it will be his case whether he likes it or not."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/16/earlyshow/main6871823.shtml


I decided to follow the return of and request for money. I thought the money would be the easiest to follow and the least biased.

It looks like initially they thought that TMH had done it and were pretty much convinced in that train of thought by the time they convened the grand jury.

At least Staton was convinced because no one in their right mind is going to return almost a million dollars with an open missing child case. The DA looked like he was getting ready for the prosecution of "someone" and then all that changed Sept. 10 when the Grand Jury suspended itself.

Now it is beginning to look like the grand jury did not find enough evidence to indict anyone and now the likelihood of a long investigation has reared its ugly head. So what McCain said actually adds up. His statement about passing the cost to small cities and other jurisdictions is backed up by the lack of funds and the budgetary concerns that all cities, counties, and states are currently facing. I too believe that it's going to be a hard sell due to across the board lack of funds.

This case, unfortunately, is headed for the cold case section in my opinion. I also believe that some errors may have been made early on and the return of the money by Staton has caused a big problem.

I am not saying TMH is guilty or innocent I am just saying it doesn't look like the LE has the proof in the "tons" of evidence.

I hope Kyron is alive and eventually is able to come home. If he is not the hope now is for the hunters to find his remains because unless someone comes forward or there is a confession this case is stalled.

MOO...

Everything bolded is BBM and my comments are in blue.

 

[JBean]

Oh gosh, believe. I see what you mean. I don't know. I don't know if it has to be unanimous or a majority or what, and I don't know what happens if they can't reach a decision.

Does anyone know? Or should we ask in the lawyer question thread?

Oregon Statutes - Chapter 132 - Grand Jury, Indictments and Other Accusatory Instruments - Section 132.360 - Number of jurors required to concur.


A grand jury may indict or present facts to the court for instruction as provided in ORS 132.370, with the concurrence of five of its members, if at least five jurors voting for indictment or presentment heard all the testimony relating to the person indicted or facts presented. [Amended by 1973 c.836 §49]

http://law.onecle.com/oregon/132-grand-jury-indictments-and-other/132.360.html

 

[STEADFAST]

Staton: I believe that some of the information, and some of the, through some of the discussions, there are going to be concerns, not necessarily cases.

I can't help but wonder if there's not going to be some situation similar to that one with Casey Anthony where it turned out she had a relationship of some sort with a member (or more?) of LE. That might explain why LE might wish they didn't know and why "reports" might need to be made with other agencies, there would be "concern," etc.

Maybe there was more sexting going on than with just the landscaper and MC.

 

[pufnstuf]

just my two cents but I do not believe this case is cold. I also do not agree with this talking head. I am choosing right now to believe what LE said at the press conference yesterday and I am still going to have faith in them.

moo

And considering what was said at the sheriff's press conference, you would be right.

 

[liz b.]

I hope Kyron's case hasn't gone cold... I hope it stays dynamic and is resolved. With justice for Kyron.

All JMO

 

[Jade2010]

Staton in the presser: We threw everything we possibly could at this because it involved a school and it involved a child.

The past tense Staton used in this statement bothers me.

Where's Kyron?

Bean, I don't think it was meant past tense in that way. I don't get that feel.

PS. I know this brings you peace of mind coming from me. LOL

 

[Jade2010]

Is anyone following arrests in the Portland area? Is there a public database where you can see who has been arrested for what each day? A newspaper that lists daily arrests or something?

 

[krowdkat]

How soon people forget that Laci Peterson and Connor weren't found for 4 months and that case was far from being a cold case. This case is far from COLD, IMO.

As far as the newly reported task force, my small community just entered into one with several of the small cities surrounding my community. It serves the purpose of fiscal responsiblity and having the best of the best working to solve crime. Focusing on the verifiable tips and leads only without other important community cases going by the wayside is a task forces prime objective.

http://www.candgnews.com/Homepage-Articles/2009/10-28-09/Oakland-County-MCAT.asp

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Default.aspx

here is the link to keep tabs on who is being arrested every day in MCSO