Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2020 - 2022 - #2

[Laura456]

I know so many wonderful, kind people who can't get a decent date, and she's married again? I assume her standards are low.

 

[rosesfromangels]

One thing I've learned after years of reading and participating on many, many WS threads, is that things aren't always as they appear. I can think of two threads in particular where I was 100% certain, 100%! that someone was guilty. They weren't. I've also had a thread where I was certain someone was innocent - they weren't. In all three cases I am thinking of, I was "absolutely certain" based on known data and facts.

I've learned that I process information through my life's filter. The experiences I've had, definitely play a role in how I perceive, and process data.

As far as the missing subject's step mother is concerned, I will say there has been a notable amount of concerning circumstantial data that merits continued analysis and consideration. I am particularly troubled by the *alleged* murder for hire plot against her then husband Kaine. That said, there was never any proof of that allegation, and as such, it falls in the speculation bucket.

And that's the crux of where we are. Seemingly, lots of circumstantial evidence, but no hard proof. The DA will not want to arrest and seek prosecution until such time as they believe they can convict. So regardless of whether we think the stepmother and her friend DDS are complicit, or not, it doesn't matter. No hard evidence = no arrest and conviction.

Do I think this missing persons case will ever resolve? Yes, I do. *If* the allegations and speculations are even close to being accurate, I think eventually an unknown third party will provide the tip needed for closure. The tip could come anonymously, or as a bargaining chip to reduce some other offense.

Those who believe in the guilt of certain individuals should have some comfort in speculating that the guilty are constantly looking over their shoulders, and jump when there is a knock at the door.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Vegan1234]

One thing that resonates with me is the Grand Jury. The one group who we know met at least 3 separate times with 3 sets of new jurors who have heard it all. They spoke to witnesses, and the prosecution presents their side only. Everything they feel shows Terri is guilty. It only takes 4 out of 7 jurors to get a true bill. These are people from the community and not one time has an indictment been filed. There is a phrase out there that “you can indict a ham sandwich.” And generally when it comes to a missing child they usually side with the prosecution to better be safe than sorry. If nothing happens with the current DA, I think it’s time some folks start reevaluating what they believe they are hearing. It wouldn’t be the first time Kaine has addressed the media to suggest there is a different side he’s been told than what Desiree has made statements about. He’s said at his car expo as recently as this year that he’s been told not to give up hope that Kyron is still out there…alive.

 

[rosesfromangels]

...he’s been told not to give up hope that Kyron is still out there…alive.

Respectfully snipped for focused reply.
If only. : (
I speculate poor sweet Kyron was murdered within an hour of his disappearance.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[FergusMcDuck]

I know so many wonderful, kind people who can't get a decent date, and she's married again? I assume her standards are low.

From what I've seen he seems a nice, stable fellow and they look happy together. Good for them!

 

[Boxer]

This case is so old I do not have links handy that show her saying one thing, and then turning around and saying another. I'm sure it's all here in the dozens of threads for this case, which is why posters are saying her info is changing. They've seen her say one thing, and then another.

With that said, Kaine himself, on national TV said her story "changed daily". I most definitely believe Kaine.

She would change her story daily, if not more than that, Kaine told Oprah. Every time you talked to her, it was a little bit different about what happened that day.

Kaine tells Oprah (Terri) 'would change her story daily'

Parents of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman appealed to millions of viewers on the Oprah Winfrey show Thursday at 4 p.m., more than 13 weeks into his disappearance.

www.kgw.com

I don't know about a sweatshirt, but here's a post about a bloody sock with a link to the source.

Thread '7/24/10 - Law professor finds bloody child sock on Black Butte & questions the system'

Jul 25, 2010

A bloody find on Black Butte and a broken system

On a recent Friday afternoon, I drove south out of Portland, headed for the soul-restoring Santiam Pass to my cabin on the Metolius River in Camp Sherman. It had been a busy workday, the day following our wedding anniversary, and the glorious Central Oregon night, with a huge moon and countless crystal stars in a clear sky, was all I'd hoped for.

Little did I know that in the next 24 hours, a routine morning hike and the discovery of a bloody sock on the trailhead would lead me into a...

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By now its either Kyron's blood or not.
There should have been a massive search in that are after the sock found if it was even his blood type.

 

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[Lkat3513]

Did anyone speculate as to why she had to go into 2 different Fred Meyer's stores? That's like going into 2 different Walmarts. Same products, same prices but she went to 2 different stores, within a short time of each other. Why?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Did anyone speculate as to why she had to go into 2 different Fred Meyer's stores? That's like going into 2 different Walmarts. Same products, same prices but she went to 2 different stores, within a short time of each other. Why?

She was looking for medicine. They were out at the first Fred Meyer, so she went to the other.

 

[Vegan1234]

She was looking for medicine. They were out at the first Fred Meyer, so she went to the other.

Curious if the GJ asked to talk to the Fred Meijer worker at the first one she visited? The prosecution presents their case but the GJ is allowed to call witnesses.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Curious if the GJ asked to talk to the Fred Meijer worker at the first one she visited? The prosecution presents their case but the GJ is allowed to call witnesses.

They talked to witnesses from the Starbucks attached to the Frist Fred Meyer, at least.

 

[Vegan1234]

ADMIN NOTE:

Reference to a tire was a rumor that was discussed at an external source. If a linked source discusses a rumor, please do not bring the rumor to WS for discussion.

Also, we had a Report of a problem with a link that went to a *advertiser censored* site, but I am not finding any post with such a problem. Possibly the link was wonky and was remedied in the length of time allowed for editing.

Unfortunately this case is going on 15yrs the links no longer work. Even in the way back machine search. I can post links they just won’t open…. :/

 

[pinall]

By now its either Kyron's blood or not.
There should have been a massive search in that are after the sock found if it was even his blood type.

One thing I've learned after years of reading and participating on many, many WS threads, is that things aren't always as they appear. I can think of two threads in particular where I was 100% certain, 100%! that someone was guilty. They weren't. I've also had a thread where I was certain someone was innocent - they weren't. In all three cases I am thinking of, I was "absolutely certain" based on known data and facts.

I've learned that I process information through my life's filter. The experiences I've had, definitely play a role in how I perceive, and process data.

As far as the missing subject's step mother is concerned, I will say there has been a notable amount of concerning circumstantial data that merits continued analysis and consideration. I am particularly troubled by the *alleged* murder for hire plot against her then husband Kaine. That said, there was never any proof of that allegation, and as such, it falls in the speculation bucket.

And that's the crux of where we are. Seemingly, lots of circumstantial evidence, but no hard proof. The DA will not want to arrest and seek prosecution until such time as they believe they can convict. So regardless of whether we think the stepmother and her friend DDS are complicit, or not, it doesn't matter. No hard evidence = no arrest and conviction.

Do I think this missing persons case will ever resolve? Yes, I do. *If* the allegations and speculations are even close to being accurate, I think eventually an unknown third party will provide the tip needed for closure. The tip could come anonymously, or as a bargaining chip to reduce some other offense.

Those who believe in the guilt of certain individuals should have some comfort in speculating that the guilty are constantly looking over their shoulders, and jump when there is a knock at the door.

Amateur opinion and speculation

So true rosesfromangels! I am new to the site but have been following this tragic case from its inception. The one thing that keeps coming to mind is the church across the street from the school. Given the close proximity and the timeline of Kyron's disappearance, it seems an ideal place to hide someone until the coast was clear. I wonder how well it was searched given the critical situation law enforcement faced at the time. I fervently pray for Kyron and his family!

 

[Boxer]

So true rosesfromangels! I am new to the site but have been following this tragic case from its inception. The one thing that keeps coming to mind is the church across the street from the school. Given the close proximity and the timeline of Kyron's disappearance, it seems an ideal place to hide someone until the coast was clear. I wonder how well it was searched given the critical situation law enforcement faced at the time. I fervently pray for Kyron and his family!

I looked but sidnt see the church, can you point it out to me? Thanks.
Does anyone know whether Skyline was K-8 at the time of Kyron's disappearance.

 

[Alleykins]

I looked but sidnt see the church, can you point it out to me? Thanks.
Does anyone know whether Skyline was K-8 at the time of Kyron's disappearance.

There is a church across the street from the school. IIRC, investigators set up a headquarters there during the initial searches, but I'm going from memory here. Yes, Skyline was K-8 at the time of Kyron's disappearance, which means older students were also attending.

 

[rosesfromangels]

There is a church across the street from the school. IIRC, investigators set up a headquarters there during the initial searches, but I'm going from memory here. Yes, Skyline was K-8 at the time of Kyron's disappearance, which means older students were also attending.

Somehow I missed that there were 14 year olds at that school mixed with very young ones. I hope that fact has been thoroughly explored. 14 year olds can be very mean, and their brains are still being formed. As such, they don't often think things through. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Kyron was picked on - he was an easy target with his small frame and poor eyesight.

I would be interested to know if any of the 12-14 year olds during that time frame have gone on to have serious criminal offenses. This connection should not be dismissed, but considered IMO. That box needs to be checked.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[pinall]

There is a church across the street from the school. IIRC, investigators set up a headquarters there during the initial searches, but I'm going from memory here. Yes, Skyline was K-8 at the time of Kyron's disappearance, which means older students were also attending.

Hi. Here is a link to the google map of church

Google Search

g.co

 

[pinall]

If you click on the picture of the church and maneuver the arrow on the screen, you'll see the access road where posters indicated the truck was parked. Hope this is helpful.

 

[MamaSleuth5]

Hi. Here is a link to the google map of church

Google Search

g.co

Thank you for the link! Welcome to Websleuths @pinall !

 

[pinall]

You're very welcome and thank you, MamaSleuth.