Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

[OddOneOut]

There are some muddled timelines in this. So the evidence she has spoken of the last couple of years (that the DA wouldn't act on) was the burner phones that Dede "led them to" 2910. Apparently there was incriminating evidence on the phones (though only circumstantial?) but they couldn't charge Dede because she had immunity? Ignoring the fact that Terri didn't have immunity, Dede didn't get immunity until 2013, so how did that work?

Then there's the DA getting ready to charge her after the landscaper "but then Casey Anthony happened". What? The DA took the case to a Grand Jury in July 2010, then in September 2010 it suspended itself and by October the case was stalled with no new movement. If there was a decision not to prosecute, it was made in the fall of 2910. The Casey Anthony verdict came in the summer of 2011. The timeline just doesn't add up.

What is "2910?" Do you mean 2010?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

What is "2910?" Do you mean 2010?

Yeah, I do. Corrected, thanks.

 

[Sleuth2010]

Here's the thing... families going thru this type of living-a-nightmare, don't process as most people do on a regular timeline/experience. They are freaked-out, flipped-out, sleep deprived, food repulsed and pulled into circling the 9th circle of hell ! They call it circling the drain. Love and good people help pull them back.
Just the fact that Kyron's true parents, family, teachers, neighbors and friends can even function at all, is a (difficult) miracle.

Criticism and Picking apart an exact chronological piece of this case, is easy sleezy.

Common sense and standing facts have to be believed. ie: Constantly looking out the window and/or, for little Kyron is what innocent people do.

He was just A little boy ! A soul-sick adult picks actions to harm / disappear a little boy!! Child.

The step-witch knew. That's why the faux alibi. That's why the kinky-weirdos friendship. Thats why the innumerable: can not be proved, excuses. A litany of character issues... the prison shrinks will have a field day with her.

Our culture is too accustomed to TV case solving. This is the crisis and timeline of real life.

Justice Comes. Step by careful step. Drip by drip, the water fills the kettle. Arrests will come. For more than one. Watch and see.

Shiny bracelets. Snap.Snap.

MOO OMO JMO

 

[minazoe]

I don't believe Terri committed the perfect murder. I think there is a puzzle piece that was maybe missed or overlooked. They just need that one revelation in this case to pull it all together. She is very lucky so far...very lucky
because they have her really..it's just finding that tipping point...like finding someone she confessed to. I think there's someone out there who knows . mOO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Here's the thing... families going thru this type of living-a-nightmare, don't process as most people do on a regular timeline/experience. They are freaked-out, flipped-out, sleep deprived, food repulsed and pulled into circling the 9th circle of hell ! They call it circling the drain. Love and good people help pull them back.
Just the fact that Kyron's true parents, family, teachers, neighbors and friends can even function at all, is a (difficult) miracle.

Criticism and Picking apart an exact chronological piece of this case, is easy sleezy.

But this isn't picking apart small details that don't matter. This is Desiree reversing cause and effect by years.

"And the DA's office, they believed at the time that they could get her to flip on Terri. Several weeks later. they made an agreement with Dede Spicher for immunity. Here's the problem with that: as you're investigating, you're getting evidence, you're obtaining new information, new interviews, all the things, right? And now today, what we can say is, there is physical evidence that is involving her. From what I understand, Dede Spicher said Terri was using throwaway phones, and had loaded it with minutes and was using that to communicate with people. They were able to acquire the phones, Dede took them where they dumped them. I don't know when the phones were dumped, they got access to them a couple of weeks after Kyron went missing. There's communication connected to photos that were stored on the phone, that is the physical evidence in the case. It's all things that imply guilt, it's all things showing conceal and lie and deceit. All of it is circumstancial, which is unfortunate. And then she proceeds to plead the fifth. She doesn't want people to know what she is. And now that she has an immunity deal, we can never prosecute her. We can't ever fix that."

Again, Dede got her immunity deal in 2013, not 2010 like Desiree claims here. That completely invalidates Desiree's whole sequence of events here. Dede gets immunity, Dede leads them to evidence implicating both her and Terri, oops, can't charge her, she's got immunity.

{After the MFH plot was "revealed"] "You could see it in the team, they were ready to go in and arrest her, they were, and when Casey Anthony happened everything stalled. They backed up."

The landscaper's existence was made public in late June 2010, the Casey Anthony verdict was in the summer of 2011. What was it that kept them from going in and arresting her for over a year, if Casey Anthony was the cause of future dithering?

Another thing, looking at the video, she repeats the disproven idea that Terri wouldn't be able to see Kyron from the "east end staircase" because she would see a wall. This has been debunked for more than a decade now. But more alarmingly, Desiree still appears to believe that there is such a thing as the "east end staircase". The east end of the hallway is the exit to the buses, not the staircase. There is the main staircase by the offices (leading to the main entrance), then just to the east of that, the gym staircase, followed by the bus exit. The east end was marked as the staircase where Terri ascended back on Kaine and Desiree's first appearance on Dr Phil. Whether they provided the info to Dr Phil, or Dr Phil gave the wrong info and Desiree internalized it (either is plausible), it's still wrong, yet Desiree appears to believe it a decade later.

"It's our understanding, through information I've had turned over to me during searches, that she was picked up by Terri." - I think this quote is revealing, though. This information isn't coming from law enforcement, it's most likely coming from fellow searchers who have heard or read things online passing it on to Desiree.

You may think it's sleazy to investigate the facts of the case, but the way I see it is bad information is bad information. Taking it on faith solely because of who says it, even when it blatantly contradicts other sources, closer to the time and place, does nothing to find Kyron. Quite the opposite.

Common sense and standing facts have to be believed. ie: Constantly looking out the window and/or, for little Kyron is what innocent people do.

He was just A little boy ! A soul-sick adult picks actions to harm / disappear a little boy!! Child.

The step-witch knew. That's why the faux alibi.

She had an alibi between 8:45 and 10, which is the time Kyron vanished.

That's why the kinky-weirdos friendship.

Salacious gossip.

Thats why the innumerable: can not be proved, excuses.

Except, whenever something can be proved, it ends up being proved. She says she was at two Fred Meyers, here are receipts and witnesses and CCTV to confirm. She says she drove on highway 30, here's a ping to confirm. She says she went to the gym, here's evidence from the gym itself to confirm. Are we going to condemn her because every rural road doesn't have a camera every quarter mile?

A litany of character issues... the prison shrinks will have a field day with her.

They will never get the chance.

Our culture is too accustomed to TV case solving. This is the crisis and timeline of real life.

There's TV case solving, and there's fourteen years of essentially zero movement on the case.

Justice Comes. Step by careful step. Drip by drip, the water fills the kettle. Arrests will come. For more than one. Watch and see.

Shiny bracelets. Snap.Snap.

MOO OMO JMO

Nah. She won't be charged by Vasquez anymore than she was charged by Schmidt or his predecessors. The evidence just isn't there.

 

[Laura456]

I hope someone comes forward if they know anything. That or a mushroom hunter finds something useful to the case.

 

[cocomod]

I honestly wish DeDe would grow a conscience and tell what she knows.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Mother of Kyron Horman fundraising for a more aggressive search 14 years after he vanished

Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in Northwest Portland on June 4, 2010. The second grader has never been found.

www.kgw.com

 

[EllaMae]

If there was physical evidence, Terri would have been arrested long ago.



Which is an excellent explanation for why police get tunnel vision in those cases were they weren't.



And yet there are countless examples of LE being absolutely certain, to the point where they take cases to trial and even get convictions, and then turn out to be wrong. The Innocence Project has an extensive list of exonerations. And in many o f these cases LE and prosecutors still insist they were right.

My point is, LE "knowing" who did it and said person actually having done it? Two very different things.

No it's not. There is no point here. Terri is the POI because the EVIDENCE led LE in that direction. She and DeDe left a trail which includes physical evidence. This is a known fact. Making baseless claims is just being argumentative. There's no mystery here except for the location of the body.
Throwing in unrelated cases is meaningless. Kyron's case is more similar to Heather Elvis. LE cannot find Heather's body, but they KNOW who murdered her. All the evidence led them to her killers. The killers have not been tried for murder yet because Heather is still missing.
The real point is.....Terri is guilty and those who have access to the evidence know this. It's not an unsolved case. It's an unprosecuted case at the moment. That could change very soon.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

No it's not. There is no point here. Terri is the POI because the EVIDENCE led LE in that direction. She and DeDe left a trail which includes physical evidence.

What physical evidence? In the video, Desiree says that the physical evidence is the burner phones, which they didn't even buy until a month after the abduction, with contents that she says is "circumstancial" evidence that shows "conceal" and "lie" and "deceit". That is not physical evidence, though. We don't know what those supposedly deceitful things are, if they're actually that or if this is a case of Desiree reading into things based on her resentment of Terri. This is similar to the "Terri-hates-Kyron" emails, where Kaine denied they said as much.

Physical evidence means they would have arrested her in 2010. Three DAs in a row didn't hold off on charging her because they felt like it.

Making baseless claims is just being argumentative. There's no mystery here except for the location of the body.

I mean, it should be very obvious that is nowhere near true. The MCSO don't know how Kyron left the school. They don't know where he went. They don't know if he's alive or dead.

Throwing in unrelated cases is meaningless. Kyron's case is more similar to Heather Elvis.

Throwing in unrelated cases is meaningless, I'd say, except I do think there is something to learn here.

LE cannot find Heather's body, but they KNOW who murdered her. All the evidence led them to her killers. The killers have not been tried for murder yet because Heather is still missing.

Yet they were charged with murder at first, as well as kidnapping and obstruction of justice, because there was evidence. They had to drop the murder charges, yes, but the rest went forward. If these cases were similar, the MCDA would have been able to charge Terri with kidnapping or at least custodial interference. If she actually did lie and deceive during the investigation, there would have been charges of obstruction of justice. None of that would require a body, and none of those charges would have prevented a future murder trial.

Unless, that is, there was no actual evidence, and those cases would crash and burn as hard as the murder charge.

The (in)action of the MCDA in contrast to the Elvis case (which took place after the Casey Anthony verdict, I might add, another strike against that common notion that the CA verdict dissuaded the DA from charging Terri) is a great indication of the strength of the case against Terri.

The real point is.....Terri is guilty and those who have access to the evidence know this. It's not an unsolved case. It's an unprosecuted case at the moment. That could change very soon.

And the case against Jacob Wetterling was solved too, everyone (the cops included) knew it was the neighbor. As was the Britanee Drexel case - young mr Taylor and his friends did it, like the FBI and the public at large were so sure of.

I hope Vasquez turns out to be a conscientious DA - I always hope that for incoming prosecutors - and that he can help direct this case to where Kaine and Desiree can join the Wetterling and Drexel families in getting justice for their child. Justice that didn't involve those who everyone, including those who had access to the evidence, "knew" did it.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

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Yes, Desiree claimed in 2017 that Kyron's DNA had been in the bed of the truck. But what is that physical evidence of? It was the family truck, all it said was that Kyron had been in the bed at some point. Tell you the truth, I have no idea what this was supposed to prove anyway? Even if Terri had time to kill Kyron before her shopping trip, did she leave the body in the bed of the truck in the middle of multiple public parking lots in bright daylight?

Now there is just arguing for argument's sake about facts that are already well known. That does nothing to help Desiree find her son, and no one wants to read all that again because it's just not worth the time to keep re-hashing what's already been de-bunked.

You haven't demonstrated that any of what I said has been debunked. Feel free to do so, I'm always happy to change my view if there is evidence to warrant it.

It's past time to move on.

No, I don't think I will. Cases that are on the wrong track - like Drexel or Wetterling - would never have been solved if everyone had resigned to blindly follow the LE-decided path.

This is,once again, a VICTIM FRIENDLY forum. The focus should be on areas that need to be searched or re-searched. We already know the who,and the when. We just need to help Desiree find the where.

Victim friendly is meaningless if there is insistence that only the wrong track can be investigated. Fourteen years of going after Terri has not produced a single thing that leads to Kyron. It's time to try something different and see what results it brings.

 

[minazoe]

I really dislike her. She was unkind to Kyron and that is just a fact, and it's a very important fact..maybe the most important fact because it is a window into what was actually happening in that household. She was lying about his behavior and punishing him for made up reasons. The punishment was always banishment to his room and this enabled her to neglect him and shame him to his father. Let's get this to a grand jury. let's see what common sense dictates. mOO

 

[EllaMae]

Family of Portland boy missing 14 years holds car wash to raise money for search

The family of a Portland boy who went missing 14 years ago this week held their annual car wash on Saturday and Sunday to raise money for their ongoing search.

www.kptv.com

 

[EllaMae]

https://www.youtube.com/@KGWNews8

 

[Sillybilly]

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[arielilane]

Kyron Horman went missing on June 4, 2010 and still no answers This case will haunt me forever.
I can't bear to think about Desiree's pain. I know there are many who loved Kyron, but Desiree gave life to Kyron.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1798021895809294356

Published​

June 4, 2024

The investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman continues at the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. This year, we have launched a new webpage where the public can find information on the case and send us tips.
Kyron was last seen the morning of June 4, 2010, at Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon attending his school’s science fair. He has not been seen or heard from since. At the time, he was seven years old.
Kyron has brown hair, blue eyes and wears glasses. He also has a distinct V-shaped strawberry birthmark on his forehead.


Complete article at link...

Investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance ongoing

The investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman continues at the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office.

www.mcso.us

 

[arielilane]

Imo, Kyron's life ended at the age of 7, sadly. He never got to experience a fun day enjoying the science fair at school that morning (also, imo). Kyron's case is just as heartbreaking as the day he disappeared and even more so because there has been no answers, no arrest(s), no one will speak up at this time. moo

 

[charminglane]

Imo, Kyron's life ended at the age of 7, sadly. He never got to experience a fun day enjoying the science fair at school that morning (also, imo). Kyron's case is just as heartbreaking as the day he disappeared and even more so because there has been no answers, no arrest(s), no one will speak up at this time. moo

I don't post about Kyron, but think of him all the time, most often and deeply when I see a butterfly.
I'll stay right here with you, @arielilane.
Waiting.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Imo, Kyron's life ended at the age of 7, sadly. He never got to experience a fun day enjoying the science fair at school that morning (also, imo). Kyron's case is just as heartbreaking as the day he disappeared and even more so because there has been no answers, no arrest(s), no one will speak up at this time. moo

It would be nice to think he's alive somewhere, but I agree with you. He either died that day or soon after.