Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

  • #181
Well, we have the Gannon Stauch case. His stepmother epitomizes evil, and I'm not talking about a fairytale.

The Idaho 4 murder case has not gone to trial yet. He has a group of Internet supporters who believe he is innocent; they send him money for his commissary account, write him sympathy letters, and diligently plead his case on the Internet.
There are also millions of step mothers out there who haven't murdered their kids. I am one of them. I have four kids: 2 + 2 but all "my" kids. So, there's that. And I think BK is guilty as heck. The two are not equal.
 
  • #182
The woods next to the school are extremely vast and people generally underestimate how easy it is to get lost in woods that are not as dense and widespread. I remember reading a very informative Reddit thread from someone who is local to the area (possibly an alumnus of the school) where they talk about these woods. Of course this is just a personal anecdote but it changed my perspective a lot.

I think he was lured into the woods by someone. MOO.

Yeah people have serious knives out for the stepmother.
I will admit I think step mom is shifty as they come .All that best friend drama and the sick baby crap during that whole day Kyron was not in school ,where he was confirmed to be on camera footage in the school. I dont know if he was lured into the woods or not ,but he is seen walking in the building and then he vanishes? At least thats how I remember it .
I guess Kain is okay with the school ,and might know more about Terry's questionable behavior than we do- but ,Yo! He sends his daughter to the same school!
That's crazy to me!
 
  • #183
I will admit I think step mom is shifty as they come .All that best friend drama and the sick baby crap during that whole day Kyron was not in school ,where he was confirmed to be on camera footage in the school. I dont know if he was lured into the woods or not ,but he is seen walking in the building and then he vanishes? At least thats how I remember it .
I guess Kain is okay with the school ,and might know more about Terry's questionable behavior than we do- but ,Yo! He sends his daughter to the same school!
That's crazy to me!
Kyron wasn't seen on camera footage entering or exiting the school - the school had no cameras. We know he was there due to the testimony of Terri and others, as well as the photo Terri took. He may be in other photos, but none that have been made public.
 
  • #184
There are also millions of step mothers out there who haven't murdered their kids. I am one of them. I have four kids: 2 + 2 but all "my" kids. So, there's that. And I think BK is guilty as heck. The two are not equal.
I'm so glad for you and your children that you are an amazing stepmom. You are not Terri.
 
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  • #185
I will admit I think step mom is shifty as they come .All that best friend drama and the sick baby crap during that whole day Kyron was not in school ,where he was confirmed to be on camera footage in the school. I dont know if he was lured into the woods or not ,but he is seen walking in the building and then he vanishes? At least thats how I remember it .
I guess Kain is okay with the school ,and might know more about Terry's questionable behavior than we do- but ,Yo! He sends his daughter to the same school!
That's crazy to me!
Jmo it wouldn't be the school that I was afraid of. Jmo
 
  • #186
I'm so glad for you and your children that you are an amazing stepmom. <modsnip - member removed portion of post> You are not Terri.
BK? Oh that was for Vern sorry
 
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  • #187
I believed Terri in the beginning. I was on her side. It was as more information and facts came to light that I began to change my mind.
The fact that she was a step mother wasn't an issue for me.
 
  • #188
I believed Terri in the beginning. I was on her side. It was as more information and facts came to light that I began to change my mind.
The fact that she was a step mother wasn't an issue for me.
it's based on who she has shown herself to be...you can't cover up her history and literally all of it points to some kind of character issues . She shows a lack of empathy and a willingness to break the law and threaten people in a violent manner. I mean you don't put out a hit on someone..you don't steal someone's gun..like why would you do these things?

odds are she can be somewhat dangerous and she was the last person who ever saw Kyron or so she says..others say they saw her leave the school with him...I think to understand Terri, you have to understand what she was craving to get for herself. Sadly there is a motive, a person of questionable character and a child who was never seen again.

There is a full hour of time Terri cannot account for...was she drunk? she doesn't know where she was in this critical hour?

Terri showed meanness to Kyron. She punished him for made up reasons so he would be in his room and out of her way.
She wasn't someone I would call a good step mother...more of a resentful stepmother who is a liar and tells the father lies about his child.

If I was on a jury I would vote for a conviction based on all the circumstantial evidence, including the totally fabricated doctors appointment. mOO
 
  • #189
I believed Terri in the beginning. I was on her side. It was as more information and facts came to light that I began to change my mind.
The fact that she was a step mother wasn't an issue for me.
I never thought she was innocent but being a step mom did not come into my thoughts.
 
  • #190
I'm so glad for you and your children that you are an amazing stepmom. You are not Terri.
Nor is Terri Leticia; the evil fairytale that is Leticia has yet to manifest in Terri beyond lay-persons allegations. Certainly neither the justice system nor LE have yet to take legal steps to indicate otherwise.

It all reminds me of the cases where they take parents, or step parents, into custody on other chares when they are convinced the individual is invloved in a child's disppearance. Such as "custodial interference", Allegedly Terri has done this; aka Harmoney Montgomery (whose carer then went on to be charged with 2nd Degree Murder despite no remains) or drugs (Ron & Misty Cummings) ...

Apparently they also had a murder for hire that they could have used in this case ... yet did not. That speaks volumes to me.

Terri? Nada. Why is that.
 
  • #191
I believed Terri in the beginning. I was on her side. It was as more information and facts came to light that I began to change my mind.
The fact that she was a step mother wasn't an issue for me.
Nor for me, I'm a step Mom also.

One thing that is rarely discussed - in March 2010, Terri's son J was sent to live with his Grandparents. Later he moved in with his Dad. No reason has ever been given, but I'm curious why that happened. Sending your kid to live elsewhere is a bid deal in my opinion. Was this around the same time Terri sent emails to Desiree, regarding Kyron coming to live with her?

 
  • #192
it's based on who she has shown herself to be...you can't cover up her history and literally all of it points to some kind of character issues . She shows a lack of empathy and a willingness to break the law and threaten people in a violent manner. I mean you don't put out a hit on someone..you don't steal someone's gun..like why would you do these things?

The hits have never been proven or substantiated in any way. One of them relies on a prison snitch whose testimony came in 2011, almost a year after Kyron's disappearance. And she was acquitted of stealing the gun.

odds are she can be somewhat dangerous and she was the last person who ever saw Kyron or so she says..others say they saw her leave the school with him...

No, people (i.e. Desiree) claim others say they saw her leave the school with him. Said "others" have never publicly said so themselves. In fact, the sole witness we have who has gone on the record as having seen Terri leave, said he saw her leave without Kyron.

I think to understand Terri, you have to understand what she was craving to get for herself. Sadly there is a motive, a person of questionable character and a child who was never seen again.

There is a full hour of time Terri cannot account for...was she drunk? she doesn't know where she was in this critical hour?

That is not correct. Terri has always accounted for that time between 10:10 and 11:39. She sat with her daughter in the car for a bit, then drove on rural roads up to hwy 30 trying to get the baby to sleep. Then she went to the gym. Since there are no cameras along those rural roads she can't prove it, but it has never been disproven either. And the idea that she was drunk makes no sense, since people at the gym and then Kaine saw her soon after, and she wasn't drunk then.

It is also not a critical hour. Kyron went missing some time between 9 and 10, and said "critical hour" began at 10:10 according to police. Between 9 and 10 Terri drove through urban areas, parked for lengthy periods in public parking lots at major stores, and not a single witness saw Kyron in the truck or otherwise with her. There was no time and no location for her to have done anything to him.

Terri showed meanness to Kyron.

No such meanness has been demonstrated.

She punished him for made up reasons so he would be in his room and out of her way.

Not evidenced.

She wasn't someone I would call a good step mother...more of a resentful stepmother who is a liar and tells the father lies about his child.

And yet everyone - Desiree included - thought she did a fantastic job with Kyron. If Kyron actually had issues, it seems to me that Terri was the only one who took it seriously, with the bioparents scoffing at the idea:

"After Kyron Horman didn't come home on the school bus June 4, investigators focused on his stepmother Terri Horman. Kaine Horman and Desiree Young were surprised when Terri suddenly mentioned that the boy might have a form of autism. "Kyron never had any learning disabilities," Young said. "He was a talented and gifted child."

If I was on a jury I would vote for a conviction based on all the circumstantial evidence, including the totally fabricated doctors appointment. mOO

What fake appointment? Terri says Kyron had an appointment on June 11th, and given that the doctor would have a record of that, it makes no sense why she would lie about it. So the appointment on the 11th almost certainly was real. The appointment that didn't exist was the one Kyron's teacher believed Terri had taken Kyron to on June 4th, but there the question is - why did the teacher believe that? The common notion popularized by Desiree and others is that Terri told the teacher about it before taking Kyron out of the school, but that has never made sense. After all, if Terri's whole plan was to disappear Kyron from the school - as it would have to be, given her later denials of having taking Kyron from there - then telling a teacher exactly what she was going to do would defeat that whole purpose*. Then there is the witness statement - on the record - that the teacher's initial reaction when Kyron didn't appear at 10 wasn't "oh, his stepmother took him to a doctor's appointment", but rather "oh, he's probably in the bathroom". If Terri had told her she was taking Kyron, why would she say that? The only way this makes sense is if the teacher, realizing Kyron wasn't in the bathroom, searched for a reason for his absence and misremembered her earlier talks with Terri about an appointment.

* Yes, I realize this is because if Terri had disappeared Kyron from the school at 9, the school should have sounded the alarm immediately, and so Terri needed to make them believe Kyron was gone for a reason, as she couldn't plan for their sloppiness. In the end it doesn't make sense and we just end up with two completely different theories welded together.
 
  • #193
it's based on who she has shown herself to be...you can't cover up her history and literally all of it points to some kind of character issues . She shows a lack of empathy and a willingness to break the law and threaten people in a violent manner. I mean you don't put out a hit on someone..you don't steal someone's gun..like why would you do these things?

odds are she can be somewhat dangerous and she was the last person who ever saw Kyron or so she says..others say they saw her leave the school with him...I think to understand Terri, you have to understand what she was craving to get for herself. Sadly there is a motive, a person of questionable character and a child who was never seen again.

There is a full hour of time Terri cannot account for...was she drunk? she doesn't know where she was in this critical hour?

Terri showed meanness to Kyron. She punished him for made up reasons so he would be in his room and out of her way.
She wasn't someone I would call a good step mother...more of a resentful stepmother who is a liar and tells the father lies about his child.

If I was on a jury I would vote for a conviction based on all the circumstantial evidence, including the totally fabricated doctors appointment. mOO
This is a great comment. My #1 favorite for the day!

May I add - holding a knife to someone's face?
Snipped quote: [December 9, 2016] “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.
...
Her domestic partner said he just recently learned about the Kyron Horman case. Cristobal said Moulton explained she was the victim of corrupt police in Oregon.
Cristobal said he has become suspicious of Moulton because of her behavior.
“She has two phones. One that she calls a burner phone and one that she normally uses for her personal stuff,” said Cristobal.
Cristobal said he met Moulton while working as an adult caregiver in the Sacramento area. The two lived together until recently.
The temporary restraining order requires Moulton not to “harass, attack, strike, threaten, assault,” her domestic partner. A judge will consider other possible conditions during next week’s hearing in Sacramento County.


Snipped quote: [Feb 25, 2017] The former boyfriend of Terri Horman told KOIN 6 News he was granted a 2-year restraining order against her on Friday.
Horman, who is now known as Terri Moulton, did not appear in the California court. But her attorney, Sara Anderson, was there.
Joseph Cristobal originally filed the domestic violence charge on November 28, 2016.
 
  • #194
Snipped Quote: Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.
Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said.

Snipped Quote: [Pg 59] The police also wanted to clear up the confusion about when attendance was taken. At 10 a.m. Kyron was marked absent by his teacher, Miss Porter. The school office was told it was an excused absence. That’s because Terri had sent the teacher an email days before saying she was taking him to a doctor’s appointment. That’s why his backpack and jacket were left in the classroom. He wouldn’t be gone all day. Later, Terri said it was all a mistake. It was the following Friday Kyron had a doctor’s appointment.
"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
[Pg 67] “I want you to tell Kaine… and the police… that Kyron has a doctor’s appointment next week.” [June 11, 2010]

[Pg 68] “Kyron has a doctor’s appointment coming up. If the teacher hadn’t mixed up the dates, maybe someone would have realized Kyron was not at school.” Terri was creating a scenario whereby she was absolved of anything to do with his school day.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
 
  • #195
Harmoney Montgomery (whose carer then went on to be charged with 2nd Degree Murder despite no remains

In Harmony's case there was forensic/blood evidence of murder, though. There were also witnesses to prior severe violence against Harmony. It is very clear what happened to her, IMO.
How sad it is that the evidence in Kyron's case is lacking.
 
  • #196
In Harmony's case there was forensic/blood evidence of murder, though. There were also witnesses to prior severe violence against Harmony. It is very clear what happened to her, IMO.
How sad it is that the evidence in Kyron's case is lacking.
I'd say the way to solve this one is to look for prior acts. Much like with the murder of Jacob Wetterling, I think it's clear this is not the first time this abductor has struck. In that case you had a cluster of assaults and attempted abductions a few years before in Paynesville, where the killer lived. Then an abduction and assault in early 1989 in Cold Spring, some 15-20 minutes away, then Jacob abducted later in 1989 from St Joseph, 15 minutes further away, in the same direction. Jacob was taken back to Paynesville where he was killed and buried. So for our Suspect Zero, I'm thinking he probably has some assaults or abductions (successful or not) close to home, and expanding outwards, getting more brazen the further away from the place where he lives and is known. He owns a vehicle so he really could be anywhere in the Pacific Northwest. Now I've checked, and there are only a handful of unsolved abductions I could find that fit, but it could be worth it to look into assaults.
 
  • #197
I'd say the way to solve this one is to look for prior acts. Much like with the murder of Jacob Wetterling, I think it's clear this is not the first time this abductor has struck

Oh, I don't think Kyron was abducted by a stranger. I trust his biological parents' opinions about what they believe happened.
But I also understand the need to keep an open mind at this point.
 
  • #198
Oh, I don't think Kyron was abducted by a stranger. I trust his biological parents' opinions about what they believe happened.
But I also understand the need to keep an open mind at this point.

Understandable. As for me, I have experienced far too many relatives of victims whose conviction was as strong as it was wrong.
 
  • #199
  • #200
Sweet, sweet Kyron. In my opinion, he was subjected to manipulation, bullying, and emotional abuse during the years he lived with Terri. It’s so sad. Justice for Kyron!

[Pg 109] Kyron’s greatest fear was being lost and not being able to find his way home. In the months leading up to his disappearance, Desiree thought Terri was messing with his head and might be enlisting the help of her son [J]. According to Desiree, [J] took Kyron for a walk in the woods on Kaine’s five-acre property, then pretended they were lost, and he didn’t know how to get home. “Kyron was so scared,” Desiree said later. He had nightmares for weeks. On another day, [J] and Kyron were playing at the old shed. Kyron frequently went in it to feed Bootsy, the cat. [J] got on the roof, and it collapsed around Kyron. Desiree felt Terri was trying to scare and intimidate Kyron.
"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
[Pg 109] At least once Terri hid Kyron’s favorite books and toys, including his copy of Love You Forever, a book sentimentally important to Kyron and his mother.
"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

[Pg 110] She threw herself into activities at Skyline, zealously policing Kyron and his schooling. Desiree was told that Miss Porter used a system of color-coded cards to rate students daily on their behavior. Green was good, yellow signaled moments of inattention, blue indicated trouble, and a red card was serious. “Everyday she wanted it,” Kaine said later. “That, to me, is extremely excessive. The child is in second grade.” If Kyron received anything but a green card, Terri wanted Kaine to discipline him by grounding him, banishing him to his room for the evening, eliminating playtime, or restricting his movie watching. “There was no room for error,” Kaine told the Oregonian.
...
But the code of conduct and the colored cards may have only existed in Terri’s playbook. Mothers of other children in Kyron’s class said it didn’t exist.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

[Pg 112] One time, at a Mother’s Day brunch in Medford that Kathy [Desiree's stepmother] graciously invited Terri to, Terri asked Kyron if he needed “Mom” to go with him to the bathroom. She took his hand and led him down the hall. Desiree’s family was horrified and stared wide-eyed at each other.
"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

[Pg 112] Terri, who had impeccable timing, called Desiree as she was dressing for the wedding. Terri said Kyron couldn’t stop crying. Desiree could hear him. Out of the blue, Terri asked if Desiree would take Kyron permanently. Now, as in today. “Of course!” Desiree said. She talked to Kyron and said she would be up to get him. She and Tony made plans to drive up immediately. They were elated. But when Kaine, who was out of town on business, learned of Terri’s offer, he said a firm no.
Later, Tony asked Desiree, “What would you do if I tried to give your kids away while you were out of town?”
“It would be the last thing you ever did on this earth,” she said.

"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris

[Pg 177] Kyron fretted most of the weekend. He cried; he didn’t want to go back to Portland. He had trouble sleeping and wet his bed.
Kyron’s bed-wetting was not uncommon. Desiree knew it happened at Kaine’s house too. Terri complained to Kaine about it. Kyron told Desiree it was because he had bad dreams.

Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
 
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