Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

[OddOneOut]

No it isn't. There's actual proof confirmed by technology. The TECHNOLOGY evidence exists on it's own. Desiree just has knowledge of it's existence and what it means.

Desiree is not known to be a liar.

Terri, however, has a long history of lies and deceit, and sociopathic behavior.

What proof? What technology? Link please!

 

[EllaMae]

What proof? What technology? Link please!

That has been linked repeatedly. Desiree has said it in numerous interviews. It's not new information. They've based searches on that information. It's well-known.

 

[EllaMae]

And this resentment, earned or not, has colored her view of what Terri says and does. Even when Desiree is wrong (like the non-existent wall she claims prevented Terri from seeing Kyron by his classroom) she still insists Terri was lying.



And not only was there an open criminal investigation at the time, which despite no public declaration was obviously aimed at Terri, her counterpart in the divorce case was using information from that investigation in the divorce trial. Of course Houze is going to prevent her from giving a deposition if she's innocent. He would be a lousy defense attorney otherwise.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were innocent, saw no reasons to get lawyers, and didn't object when the police asked them for new depositions. Because of that they spent four years in prison for a crime they didn't commit, then four more years of trials before they were fully acquitted.

Innocence is never a defense against railroading.



So this is baffling. Here it is again: In 2013 Kyle Iboshi interviewed staff from the dry cleaners who said that Terri came into the store to hand over shirts. Who are you suggesting is lying here? The dry cleaners? Kyle Iboshi? The websleuthers who all saw the interview?

And how can you say it is verified that she wasn't there that day by employees, LE and phone pings? Not only did the employees say she was there in 2013, the LE confirmed sightings of the truck being in the parking lot of the Walker Rd Fred Meyer (where the dry cleaner was). A witness spoke to her there.



There is also no indication of guilt or innocence here. Houze's instructions would be the same in either case. Simply going "well, I know I'm innocent, so what could happen?" is what has led to many an innocent person in prison.



Is there any indication that the judge saw the evidence? Or did he see Kaine's statement, granted a restraining order, and then didn't remove it because Terri didn't contest? Because that is my memory of the situation.



Who is posting deliberate misinformation? Not me.



Desiree has come out with a new timeline in 2015, which she has then expanded on over the years. This timeline isn't compatible with the information we know from the earlier info about the case. It's highly unlikely Desiree has been given new information by LE since 2015, and even unlikelier that she had that info already in 2010 (since the investigation would have been radically different).



Law enforcement has never given the timestamp of the photo as 8:45. That is only Desiree. It just doesn't make sense in any aspect of the case.



Making up, misremembering, misunderstanding, given bad info by less-than-trustworthy parties, cut off from LE and unable to confirm, there are plenty of possibilities that do not involve deliberate deceit, but bad information is bad. The family of Brittanee Drexel gave out information about suspects that later turned out to be untrue - not their fault, but it happened nonetheless. The Kerchers still believe Amanda Knox killed their daughter/sister, despite her being acquitted for almost a decade - again, not their fault, since all their contacts within Italian legal system were giving them their own faulty information.

Respect for Kyron is not putting blind faith in and refusing to question information that appears to be bad, regardless of where it comes from.

This post is not accurate. This is not remotely like Britanee Drexel. This is not remotely like Amanda Knox. And it is very disrespectful to a VICTIM to repeatedly insinuate that she's lying, and that LE is lying and that witnesses are lying. This is not "blind faith". This where the EVIDENCE led the investigators. That has been stressed by Kyron's family repeatedly. LE did an exhaustive and thorough investigation. They investigated Desiree, Tony, Kaine, the teacher, everybody else in the school, the parents who were there, hundreds of people. Everything led back to Terri who had the motive, the means, and the opportunity....and no alibi depite the misinformation that has been posted here. She has no alibi. The EVIDENCE led LE to Terri...not Desiree.
Desiree is not "mistaken" and she is not "misremembering" anything. And she is certainly not lying. It's really unkind to a grieving mother and it is not serving any purpose except to be harmful. Desiree is working to get justice for her baby, and she wants him brought home. She knows, her husband knows, Kaine knows,and LE knows that Terri and DeDe did something to Kyron. The judge in the civil case knows what Terri did. All these people are not lying, or mistaken. They have all seen the evidence. LE was ready to go years ago but the DA's office has not had the guts to try the case because of Casey Anthony and what happened in that case. It's NOT that they don't know who did it. And it's not that Desiree has lied about any evidence. She's never been in control of the evidence or the investigation,or had any way to make LE do her bidding. That is a dead end street because it did not occur. Terri has not been framed in any way by anyone, and LE did not have tunnel vision. That has been stated time and time again. That is also another dead end because that did not happen either. The investigation was solid. Terri is NOT the victim....she is the perpetrator. And Desiree has the right to advocate for her missing child, and to keep going until she gets justice. She has the right to name Terri as the guilty party because Terri is guilty. If Terri wasn't guilty then she would sue....but she can't because she is guilty and she'd have to talk about what she did to Kyron.
Terri admits her guilt in so many ways that are an unspoken confession. Her actions -and in some part inactions- are not those of an innocent person. She never grieved for Kyron or expressed any real concern for him....a child she claimed to love. She and DeDe were drinking,and she was sexting with Kaine's friend. She knew Kyron was gone forever, and she was not regretful or feeling guilty. She wanted to party with this new man. Terri is an alcoholic and a sociopath, and her behavior in the aftermath of Kyron's disappearance are glaring examples of her guilt.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Nothing in this post is true.

Except for all the parts that are.

This is not remotely like Britanee Drexel. This is not remotely like Amanda Knox. And it is very disrespectful to a VICTIM to repeatedly insinuate that she's lying, and that LE is lying and that witnesses are lying. This is not "blind faith". This where the EVIDENCE led the investigators.

That is exactly what the Perugla LE and prosecutors said about Amanda Knox. Yet when the documents from the trial were made public you could see the mistakes and the tunnel vision they had clear as day.

That has been stressed by Kyron's family repeatedly. LE did an exhaustive and thorough investigation. They investigated Desiree, Tony, Kaine, the teacher, everybody else in the school, the parents who were there, hundreds of people. Everythng led back to Terri who had the motive, the means, and the opportunity....and no alibi depite the misinformation that has been posted here. She has no alibi.

Well, she has an alibi for the time Kyron went missing, between 8:45 and 10:00. She was in public, shopping, and the time she would need to spend driving all adds up to her not being able to take and otherwise hurt Kyron.

Desiree is not "mistaken" and she is not "misremebering" anything.

How do you know that? She either misremembered or was mistaken about Terri not being at the dry cleaners, as I've shown above. There's nothing shameful about it, it just puts Desiree among all the rest of us. We all misremember things, we all make mistakes.

And she is not lying. It's really unkind to a grieving mother to post those things. And it is not serving any purpose except to be harmful. Desiree is working to get justice for her baby, and she wants him brought home. She knows, her husband knows, Kaine knows,and LE knows that Terri and DeDe did something to Kyron.

If LE knew, they would have arrested her. If you have a solid enough case, you can get an indictment from a Grand Jury easily.

The judge in the civil case knows what Terri did.

Do you have a source for that?

All these people are not lying, or mistaken. They have all seen the evidence. LE was ready to go years ago but the DA's office has not had the guts to try the case because of Casey Anthony.

The investigation slowed down in the fall of 2010, after the Grand Jury failed to result in charges and arrest. Casey Anthony's verdict came in the summer of 2011. I don't think it ever mattered to this case.

In fact, has it ever mattered? I've heard about this supposed effect her aqcuittal has, but as far as I can see it hasn't stopped prosecutors from charging people on circumstancial evidence. Are there number for this? Comments from actual law enforcement? This case was succesfully prosecuted on circumstancial evidence in Multnomah county by DA Schmidt just two years ago.

A far more likely scenario is that the DA doesn't prosecute because they can't even get a Grand Jury to indict - a sign of very weak evidence.

It's NOT that they don't know who did it. And it's not that Desiree has lied about any evidence. She's never been in control of the evidence or the investigation,or had any way to make LE do her bidding.

I doubt she ever made LE do her bidding. But also, LE has never confirmed her info. In the early days they would even deny the info she gave came from them.

Terri has not been framed in any way by anyone, and LE did not have tunnel vision. That has been stated time and time again. The investigation was solid.

Hardly solid. Terri has been free for fourteen years, and will almost definitely not be charged regardless of who wins the DA election.

Terri is NOT a victim....she is the perpetrator. And Desiree has the right to advocate for her missing child, and to keep going until she gets justice.

She can do whatever she wants. But her information should be weighed by how it matches the facts. Kyron deserves no less.

 

[ilovewings]

This post is not accurate. This is not remotely like Britanee Drexel. This is not remotely like Amanda Knox. And it is very disrespectful to a VICTIM to repeatedly insinuate that she's lying, and that LE is lying and that witnesses are lying. This is not "blind faith". This where the EVIDENCE led the investigators. That has been stressed by Kyron's family repeatedly. LE did an exhaustive and thorough investigation. They investigated Desiree, Tony, Kaine, the teacher, everybody else in the school, the parents who were there, hundreds of people. Everything led back to Terri who had the motive, the means, and the opportunity....and no alibi depite the misinformation that has been posted here. She has no alibi. The EVIDENCE led LE to Terri...not Desiree.
Desiree is not "mistaken" and she is not "misremembering" anything. And she is certainly not lying. It's really unkind to a grieving mother and it is not serving any purpose except to be harmful. Desiree is working to get justice for her baby, and she wants him brought home. She knows, her husband knows, Kaine knows,and LE knows that Terri and DeDe did something to Kyron. The judge in the civil case knows what Terri did. All these people are not lying, or mistaken. They have all seen the evidence. LE was ready to go years ago but the DA's office has not had the guts to try the case because of Casey Anthony and what happened in that case. It's NOT that they don't know who did it. And it's not that Desiree has lied about any evidence. She's never been in control of the evidence or the investigation,or had any way to make LE do her bidding. That is a dead end street because it did not occur. Terri has not been framed in any way by anyone, and LE did not have tunnel vision. That has been stated time and time again. That is also another dead end because that did not happen either. The investigation was solid. Terri is NOT the victim....she is the perpetrator. And Desiree has the right to advocate for her missing child, and to keep going until she gets justice. She has the right to name Terri as the guilty party because Terri is guilty. If Terri wasn't guilty then she would sue....but she can't because she is guilty and she'd have to talk about what she did to Kyron.
Terri admits her guilt in so many ways that are an unspoken confession. Her actions -and in some part inactions- are not those of an innocent person. She never grieved for Kyron or expressed any real concern for him....a child she claimed to love. She and DeDe were drinking,and she was sexting with Kaine's friend. She knew Kyron was gone forever, and she was not regretful or feeling guilty. She wanted to party with this new man. Terri is an alcoholic and a sociopath, and her behavior in the aftermath of Kyron's disappearance are glaring examples of her guilt.

If all of that is true, and I do believe Terri is the perp here, it is unconscionable for the DA not to charge her. I understand there are too many DA's who need a perfect case to bring charges and that is unfortunate, but it has been so many years, you would think, with a good amount of evidence against Terri, someone would step up to see that justice is brought in this case.

 

[OddOneOut]

That has been linked repeatedly. Desiree has said it in numerous interviews. It's not new information. They've based searches on that information. It's well-known.

I've followed this case from the beginning and read all of the threads. I can't find anything online. I'd like to know more so please explain and provide a link.

The only technology I've heard of was in the beginning (phone pings). It gave them the false lead to the island because there weren't enough cell phone towers to trianglate.

 

[Sleuth2010]

IMO MOO

Perhaps the detectives and law enforcement do not want the technology and technologic advancements known to the general public.

Kyron's mom knows what is going on. Families are asked to hold-back information, theories, investigation procedures. There are reasons for that.

My advice is to follow what knowledge and wisdom Kyron's mom and step-dad express.
They are spot-on.

Try watching accused killer Terri's interviews with the volume down. There is no technology there, but one can see the fake sincerity and poor acting going on.

The D.A.'s should prosecute. Feds take over.
The public and Justice-4-Kyron will have to wait, for a new District Attorney. That's sad. And wrong. Murderers walking free.

/ IMO MOO

 

[ilovewings]

IMO MOO

Perhaps the detectives and law enforcement do not want the technology and technologic advancements known to the general public.

Kyron's mom knows what is going on. Families are asked to hold-back information, theories, investigation procedures. There are reasons for that.

My advice is to follow what knowledge and wisdom Kyron's mom and step-dad express.
They are spot-on.

Try watching accused killer Terri's interviews with the volume down. There is no technology there, but one can see the fake sincerity and poor acting going on.

The D.A.'s should prosecute. Feds take over.
The public and Justice-4-Kyron will have to wait, for a new District Attorney. That's sad. And wrong. Murderers walking free.

/ IMO MOO

Sadly, I have seen cases like this before: nothing gets done until a new DA who has the guts to take a risk, charges and arrests someone and takes the case to trial.

 

[Knox]

Sadly, I have seen cases like this before: nothing gets done until a new DA who has the guts to take a risk, charges and arrests someone and takes the case to trial.

There have been three different DA's since Kyron's disappearance - Schrunk, Underhill & Schmidt.

Ironically, this year Schmidt is running against a Senior Deputy DA whose last name is VASQUEZ

If Vasquez wins the election, maybe he'll be the one who finally has enough cahones to prosecute Terri.

Remember in 2014 when she filed to change her name to "Claire Stella Sullivan" - then four months later in a different county, she tried again, "Claire Kisiel" - both were denied.

Terri Moulton Horman tries again for name change, this time in Eugene (poll)

Terri Moulton Horman wants a Eugene judge to grant her name change to Claire Kisiel.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[EllaMae]

There have been three different DA's since Kyron's disappearance - Schrunk, Underhill & Schmidt.

Ironically, this year Schmidt is running against a Senior Deputy DA whose last name is VASQUEZ

If Vasquez wins the election, maybe he'll be the one who finally has enough cahones to prosecute Terri.

Remember in 2014 when she filed to change her name to "Claire Stella Sullivan" - then four months later in a different county, she tried again, "Claire Kisiel" - both were denied.

Terri Moulton Horman tries again for name change, this time in Eugene (poll)

Terri Moulton Horman wants a Eugene judge to grant her name change to Claire Kisiel.

www.oregonlive.com

She married this latest guy as a way to get her desired name change.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

IMO MOO

Perhaps the detectives and law enforcement do not want the technology and technologic advancements known to the general public.

It's not really a secret what the technology here is - metadata. Desiree thinks the metadata for the picture says it was taken at 8:45. This is counter to essentially all other info we have. So it's more likely that she misunderstood or misremembered the info she got. She isn't LE, after all.

Try watching accused killer Terri's interviews with the volume down. There is no technology there, but one can see the fake sincerity and poor acting going on.

I prefer facts and evidence.

The D.A.'s should prosecute. Feds take over.

Feds should absolutely take over. They seemed to have a better idea of who did it than the MCSO.

There have been three different DA's since Kyron's disappearance - Schrunk, Underhill & Schmidt.

Ironically, this year Schmidt is running against a Senior Deputy DA whose last name is VASQUEZ

If Vasquez wins the election, maybe he'll be the one who finally has enough cahones to prosecute Terri.

It really isn't a matter of the DAs not having the courage to prosecute, it's that they don't have the evidence to do so. Schrunk took the case to a Grand Jury in 2010. There certainly wasn't any lack of ambition to prosecute. But if you can't get a Grand Jury to indict in fourteen years, your case is weak, possibly non-existent.

I would hope Desiree isn't hoping for Vasquez to do anything different, because he most likely won't. In a way, I almost hope he does. Without a GJ True Bill, he would need to take it to a Preliminary Hearing, where (unlike a GJ) Terri would be able to attend with her lawyer. When that crashes and burns, hopefully wiser heads will prevail and they can start actually solving the case.

 

[Sleuth2010]

The case is solved. It just isn't prosecuted.
We all prefer truth and facts @mcducky, and we are gifted with common sense.

Terri is going to need those lawyers.

IMO MOO JMO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

The case is solved. It just isn't prosecuted.

I don't think there's a definition of solved that this case falls under. The DA's office has always maintained they wanted to prosecute it, and the MCSO has never contradicted that. But if you can't get an indictment from a Grand Jury, then you've fallen straight out of the gate.

We all prefer truth and facts @mcducky, and we are gifted with common sense.

Absolutely, and common sense tells me the woman who had an alibi for the span of time during which Luton went missing didn't take him.

Terri is going to need those lawyers.

People have been saying that since July 2010. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me repeatedly for fourteen years...

 

[Sleuth2010]

Time does not mean Terri is untethered from law and facts.
Arrests will come. Watch and see.

OMO MOO JMO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Time does not mean Terri is untethered from law and facts.
Arrests will come. Watch and see.

OMO MOO JMO

Here's my prediction. Vasquez will take office at the start of next year. One year after that and Terri will not have been arrested. Two years after that, the same. Five years, the same.

My optimistic side, however, believes there may well be charges - if the MCSO hands the case over to the FBI. Won't be Terri, though.

 

[OddOneOut]

Time does not mean Terri is untethered from law and facts.
Arrests will come. Watch and see.

OMO MOO JMO

In my opinion, "law and facts" are protecting Terri. Also, JMO, there is an unidentified predator out there that needs to be caught.

 

[minazoe]

has there ever been a case where an unidentified predator took a grammar school child in broad daylight from inside the school, in front of everyone in the school. ..completely unnoticed ? with no protestations from the. child, not a clue, not an unknown vehicle, nothing. ? I don't think so, it's like something in a movie..no way...there was no stranger abduction. mOO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

has there ever been a case where an unidentified predator took a grammar school child in broad daylight from inside the school, in front of everyone in the school. ..completely unnoticed ? with no protestations from the. child, not a clue, not an unknown vehicle, nothing. ? I don't think so, it's like something in a movie..no way...there was no stranger abduction. mOO

"The search for second-grader Kyron Horman, missing from Portlands Skyline School, reminds Gresham residents of a similar long nights search on brushy Gresham Butte 32 years ago for Stacie Wilmoth, a second-grader who vanished from West Gresham School on April 26, 1978.
In Stacies case, she was lured to a car by a stranger who met her in the hall at West Gresham as she was headed to the restroom. The man, tall and brown-haired, told her he had some things in his car and that the school principal said she could help."

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=127604789675353300

(from here)

 

[Alleykins]

has there ever been a case where an unidentified predator took a grammar school child in broad daylight from inside the school, in front of everyone in the school. ..completely unnoticed ? with no protestations from the. child, not a clue, not an unknown vehicle, nothing. ? I don't think so, it's like something in a movie..no way...there was no stranger abduction. mOO

Jan. 15, 2013; -- A 5-year-old girl has been found after allegedly being abducted by a stranger from her classroom at a Philadelphia elementary school, where officials didn't learn of her disappearance until six hours later.
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WASHINGTON (DC News Now) — A mother in Southeast D.C. said her two children were kidnapped from a DC public school after staff failed to properly check the identification of a woman who claimed to be a parent to the kids.

 

[minazoe]

interesting. still very rare.