Kyron Horman's general discussion thread for 2014

[human]

JMO but TMH would have had to be a mastermind to have disappeared Kyron in an approx. 90 minute time frame leaving no evidence whatsoever of him or evidence that he had been harmed...no evidence anywhere. Thats why searches are continuing by DY and staff at MSCO have been cut back.

If TMH is not the "mastermind", then someone else is.

There have been plenty of. "Masterminds" Like Casey Anthony who didn't report her two year old as missing, made up jobs and imaginary babysitters, and had a death smell in her car.

We have no idea what LE knows

 

[rosesfromangels]

What would you be doing if you were innocent? KH admitted in news report 18 months ago that TMH may be telling the truth. What if she is? JMO.

Well then, let us help this poor woman who has wrongly accused of murdering or paying someone to murder or dispose of her step-son by giving her a perfect venue to clear up this horrid misperception.

I say she comes to Tricia's True Crime Radio and set us all straight. How about that?

 

[human]

What would you be doing if you were innocent? KH admitted in news report 18 months ago that TMH may be telling the truth. What if she is? JMO.

Do you have a link to that?

I do not recall that.

TIA

 

[Knox]

Well my point was that we don't see TY or KH standing by DY or her efforts. We don't see either of them at her fund raising efforts or news conferences. To me that means they are not totally on board with what she is doing or how she is doing it. TY used to be out front, being the spokesperson for the family. I respect him for this. But now he is not visual at least in his support of DY. Neither is KH. Why? Maybe they believe there is another suspect. JMO.

KH- I think to a certain degree Desiree may blame Kaine, after all that came out after Kyron disappeared. I could imagine myself feeling the same way. Desiree wanted Kyron to live with her, Kaine said no. Now he's gone forever, if only ...

TY- I think he is in a unique position because of his career in LE. You're stretching it though by saying he is not visually supporting Desiree. I know I have not seen every single public appearance she has made, have you?

 

[Knox]

What would you be doing if you were innocent? KH admitted in news report 18 months ago that TMH may be telling the truth. What if she is? JMO.

Uhhh, I wouldn't be hiding out. For starters I would fully and completely work with LE until they were satisfied I was where I said I was, and had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance.

Link to that news report please?

 

[Knox]

Respectfully, people have been falsely CONVICTED, much less falsely accused. What about the step father of the young lady who was found alive several years after her abduction and she had two children with her captor? He was always the chief suspect (stepfather) because he was the last known person to see her. LE is not perfect.:moo:

Impudently, Carl Probyn never; declined to take a lie detector test( and there were MANY over the course of 18 years), refused to cooperate fully with LE, gave up custody/visitation with his other daughter in order not to incriminate himself in Jaycee's investigation. LE may have suspected him, but IMO he behaved like innocent man all along. Can't say the same for Terri.

 

[gitana1]

JMO, but I thought we are innocent til proven guilty. TMH has not been charged much less convicted. How do you know she DIDN'T tell them all she knows? It has been said that a male was the last person to be seen with KH. If that is true..what could TMH know about this? If they (LE) knew for a fact that she was the last person with him she would be in jail. Josh Powell is not a comparison as he was known to have child on his computer as did his weirdo father. Prove what TMH actually did to deserve this!:moo:Not speculation or supposition.:twocents:

We are all innocent until proven guilty in criminal court, only. I know she didn't say all she knows in family court because she failed to say anything at all in family court or to the child custody evaluator. What she did to deserve how the family court has treated her is to fail to respond meaningfully to the allegations against her or to participate in the child custody evaluation. The court has no choice,. This is not about feelings.

 

[gitana1]

There is no doubt in my mind that TH has things to hide...how much has to do with Kyron I'm not sure but it is my opinion that this lady was doing some things she does not want the world to know and..... I'm sure some would be very shocked what those things might be...( all my opinion only)

I'm sorry, but no way can I imagine anything as reputation-crushing as the murder of a child. I;ve heard this excuse in multiple cases- that the suspect is not talking because they are hiding something worse they don't want anyone to know.

Nothing is worse than killing a child. Not talking ensures that most people will think that's what you've done.

JMO but since MCSO have cut back their staff on this case they may be quietly looking for this man. They seem to be letting DY run her own searches, funded by her carwashes and various other money making activities. By the way she and KH are not working together in this effort. KH behaves as if he thinks Kyron is still alive. Even more confusing is his comments to a reporter about 18 months ago that TMH may be telling the truth (or a statement similar to that). He had also stated that TMH had always been good to the kids.
Interesting how DY seems to appear without TY beside her much anymore. JMO.
Could Kyron be alive? No body and no evidence of any kind has been found that he was hurt. Wouldn't it be wonderful?

No. MCSO is not quietly looking for some man that TH claims was around and likely took Kryon.

It's just not happening. It's not the way police investigations work. <Mod Snip> IMO.

And the place where the information came from that Kaine admitted to a reporter that TH could be telling the truth is the same horribly ridiculous blog that continuously bashes Desiree and that states that "she and KH are not working together in this effort. KH behaves as if he thinks Kyron is still alive."

<Mod Snip>

 

[AnaTeresa]

Respectfully- In the biggest investigation the State of Oregon has ever seen, which included multiple Local, County, State & Federal agencies involvement. Do you really think what you describe is a possibility? That four years later, this one clue, was ignored, not followed up on and dismissed?

Several times over the past four years, it has been said that fresh eyes were brought in to review the case. Maybe they could pick up on something that had been overlooked. If that one clue existed, pretty sure someone would have pointed it out and asked the question ...

There have been plenty of big cases where the main suspect turns out to be innocent. There have been people wrongfully convicted over this sort of thing. There have been people who, when targeted by LE, falsely confess to crimes against their children when they haven't done a thing.

I'm a fence sitter. TH has done a lot of things that make her look guilty. At the same time, there are things that I have doubts about as well. LE are not infallible - they are human and they make mistakes, just like doctors, lawyers, and other professionals who can hold someone's life in the balance. So yes, given the quick focus on TH during the investigation, I do think it's entirely possible for something, some key, to have been overlooked that could point away from her. That doesn't mean I think it definitely has occurred, but yes, it's certainly a possibility, given how other investigations have gone down.

 

[Knox]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Sear...rea-this-weekend-263977401.html?tab=video&c=y

Video at link.
BTW, Desiree does mention Tony in the video ...

 

[Kimster]

KlaasKIDSSearchCentr @KlaasKidsSearch · 57m

#FindKyron THIS weekend. If in the area, please come out and help. http://fb.me/18rlSFw4u

 

[gitana1]

There have been plenty of big cases where the main suspect turns out to be innocent. There have been people wrongfully convicted over this sort of thing. There have been people who, when targeted by LE, falsely confess to crimes against their children when they haven't done a thing.

I'm a fence sitter. TH has done a lot of things that make her look guilty. At the same time, there are things that I have doubts about as well. LE are not infallible - they are human and they make mistakes, just like doctors, lawyers, and other professionals who can hold someone's life in the balance. So yes, given the quick focus on TH during the investigation, I do think it's entirely possible for something, some key, to have been overlooked that could point away from her. That doesn't mean I think it definitely has occurred, but yes, it's certainly a possibility, given how other investigations have gone down.

There actually haven't been plenty of big cases where the main suspect turns out to be innocent. It's actually kind of rare.

There are quite a few wrongful convictions in our country but the vast, vast majority of those are of poor, black people. Not middle class white women. In fact, wrongful convictions of middle class white people appear to be quite rare:

http://theweek.com/article/index/228292/25-years-of-wrongful-convictions-by-the-numbers

http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...ited_states_19892012_how_race_factors_in.html

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php

Further, most of the wrongful convictions appear to me to be based on the investigations of one or two small LE agencies and often involve jail or prison "informants" in prison. That's not the case here.

In this case, the investigation centered quickly on TH, even while parallel tracks sought to explore all other, possible avenues. And the investigation hasn't involved one, podunk agency. It has has involved the following agencies:

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff's Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA's investigators, Washington County District Attorney's Office, Washington County Sheriff's Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/mcso_progress_continues_in_sea.html

I think it would be highly unlikely that the focus of the investigation here is incorrect or that some crucial key to this case was missed by 26, separate agencies.

 

[EllaMae]

There actually haven't been plenty of big cases where the main suspect turns out to be innocent. It's actually kind of rare.

There are quite a few wrongful convictions in our country but the vast, vast majority of those are of poor, black people. Not middle class white women. In fact, wrongful convictions of middle class white people appear to be quite rare:

http://theweek.com/article/index/228292/25-years-of-wrongful-convictions-by-the-numbers

http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...ited_states_19892012_how_race_factors_in.html

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php

Further, most of the wrongful convictions appear to me to be based on the investigations of one or two small LE agencies and often involve jail or prison "informants" in prison. That's not the case here.

In this case, the investigation centered quickly on TH, even while parallel tracks sought to explore all other, possible avenues. And the investigation hasn't involved one, podunk agency. It has has involved the following agencies:

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff's Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA's investigators, Washington County District Attorney's Office, Washington County Sheriff's Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/mcso_progress_continues_in_sea.html

I think it would be highly unlikely that the focus of the investigation here is incorrect or that some crucial key to this case was missed by 26, separate agencies.

Great post!


I'd just like to add....none of us knows what evidence has been gathered by all these different agencies, but they must be in agreement about TH for some very good reasons. LE lays it all on the line when a young child is missing, and they do everything humanly possible to bring the child home. This
was always about Kyron to them, and it didn't matter who the perpetrator was. They had no reason to pick on TH. Something led them to her,and kept them there after all other suspects were cleared.

For me....it was the guilt written all over her face in that press conference. She reeked of the fear of discovery, and guilty knowledge of what happened to Kyron. Desiree's husband, also a member of LE, knew it too almost from the start. His gut instinct, as an experienced and well respected investigator, told him that TH was involved. Guilty people often give themselves away if someone is trained to pick up on it. I really value his opinion.

 

[EllaMae]

That is a good point. Why would TMH get rid of Kyron?

TMH only pretended to love Kyron for her own purposes. She used him to build an image of herself as a loving stepmom as long as he was a very small child, and before Baby K was born. Once she had her own baby, Kyron became disposable to her. As Kyron got older, he saw things and knew things that she kept from Kaine, and more than likely, he inadvertently spilled the beans to his Dad and his Mom. This caused friction in the marriage, so Kyron was a problem for TMH. Also, I suspect TMH wanted Baby K to be first in Kaine's affections as a parent,but Kyron was in the way. She no longer needed Kyron...she had her own baby by Kaine....and she did not want him any longer. Baby K was front and center, and TMH did her best to portray Kyron as somewhat of a problem child. I think TMH secretly hated Kyron because he was Desiree's child with Kaine. She secretly hated Kaine for sticking up for Kyron and not letting her ride roughshod over that poor little boy. TMH blamed Kyron for all her problems, and was extremely angry at both Kaine and Kyron. With Kyron gone, Baby K immediately would become The Only Child...with access to Kaine's time and money...through which TMH would benefit also. As an added bonus, it would hurt Kaine and Desiree...so TMH would get revenge on all of them. It was her Plan B after the failed murder-for-hire. TMH felt that her marriage was falling apart, and she was going to lose her cushy lifestyle. She had planned to get rid of Kaine, send Kyron off to Desiree and live large on Kaine's life insurance benefits. That didn't work out, so she set her sights on getting rid of Kyron whom she saw as a huge problem in her life, and as the cause of much of her marital strife. Kaine wanted Kyron to live with him,and refused to let him go to Desiree, so TMH believed that disappearing that little boy was the only way to get what she wanted. TMH really has no capacity for love, but she does know how to manipulate and pretend, and use people.
IMHO she is a classic psychopath in the same mold as Scott Peterson and Josh Powell.

 

[human]

Ella Mae, that makes sense.

The analysis really is good

 

[LadyL]

KlaasKIDSSearchCentr @KlaasKidsSearch · 57m

#FindKyron THIS weekend. If in the area, please come out and help. http://fb.me/18rlSFw4u

Thank you Mark and KlaasKIDS. I would help if I lived there.

 

[EllaMae]

Somehow,some way Kyron needs to be found this weekend. I will be praying for a miracle. It will be like finding a needle in a haystack, but maybe this this time Desiree will get to take her boy home and give him the dignity of a proper burial. The hell of not knowing would be over, and maybe then she could begin to heal her broken heart. Certainly, her life will never be the same, but some sort of peace is still possible if only she could find her son. Her suffering has been almost a tangible thing to those of us who have followed this case for the last 4 years. I just hope that some of her pain will be soothed when Kyron is found.

Please let it be this search, this weekend. Please!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Lets look at this from a statistical standpoint. Are there any trends we can apply to this search?
Are there any predictors of where bodies are hidden, and in this type of geography, that time of year, for a child, in oregon, etc.
We must look for any predictive pattern
Only LE would have this data.

 

[human]

I make big pronouncements that are often shown to be wrong.

I am making one now that I hope turns out to be wrong

I would think the vegetation after four years would cover everything .

 

[MissJ]

We dont know what evidence they have. They wont arrest until the DA is confident they can prosecute and convict. IMO.

After all this time they should have had a good case if they had evidence.:moo: