Kyron Horman's general discussion thread for 2014

[MissJ]

KH- I think to a certain degree Desiree may blame Kaine, after all that came out after Kyron disappeared. I could imagine myself feeling the same way. Desiree wanted Kyron to live with her, Kaine said no. Now he's gone forever, if only ...

TY- I think he is in a unique position because of his career in LE. You're stretching it though by saying he is not visually supporting Desiree. I know I have not seen every single public appearance she has made, have you?

I was saying he is not as involved as he used to be. :moo:

 

[MissJ]

The information that I was referring to about Kaine still thinking his son is alive came from an article Oregon Live By Lynne Terry where KH spoke about continuing to buy clothes for Kyron in bigger sizes and new toys that he might like. KH, unlike DY, is not looking for a dead child. The interview on TV where he said it was possible TH was telling the truth I'll have to look up. I don't post rumors.

 

[MissJ]

Kaine and DY did an interview with Anna Consano, there is an actual thread here about it,
here were two parts. Look up the thread called 8-27-2011 KATU-TV with Kaine and DY. Please look at posts #48 and #58 where DY brings up that Kyron was seen outside with a man and that the source who reported that was credible. So its NOT just TMH telling that there was a man seen with Kyron. Its not a rumor. I believe its also on this interview where KH says it is possible TMH may have told the truth. Its not a rumor.

 

[human]

After all this time they should have had a good case if they had evidence.:moo:

I think they had a great case with Casey Anthony. What could be more obvious than not reporting a missing 2 year old?

How about Josh Powell? I guess that was not enough evidence either. Going camping in the middle of the night in the winter and the kids say she is now gone. Not enough.

LE knew with Josh and Casey. So what. Not enough

 

[MissJ]

I think they had a great case with Casey Anthony. What could be more obvious than not reporting a missing 2 year old?

How about Josh Powell? I guess that was not enough evidence either. Going camping in the middle of the night in the winter and the kids say she is now gone. Not enough.

LE knew with Josh and Casey. So what. Not enough

Yes well that was my point, there is not enough evidence. I do think they had plenty on Casey. The jury didn't use logic in that case, they didn't convict her of anything. One of the jurors stated that they didn't know who was responsible for watching/caring for Casey. Duh? Her mother.:moo:

 

[human]

Exactly, not enough. But does that mean she is innocent?

 

[rachaellouise]

I re watched the Dr Phil episode with Kyrons parents and I must admit I choked up when his mother was saying that she started to panic, and that "the sun was setting.. Kyrons doesn't have his coat.. He will be cold" and hearing her voice crack at that last part struck through my heart.

 

[MissJ]

Exactly, not enough. But does that mean she is innocent?

No, it doesn't.:fence: I just don't understand why no body had been found.

 

[rosesfromangels]

No, it doesn't.:fence: I just don't understand why no body had been found.

Go to the Doe Network and look at the thousands upon thousands of missing people and that will answer your question.

This is a big planet, and it's difficult to find people; even with our exceptional LE, canine, and volunteer teams.

In this case however, I believe with every ounce of my being that DeDe Spicher is going to do the right thing and provide vital information to lead us to Kyron.
I am directing my prayers to her, to give her strength and courage to do so.
I can't imagine her sleep is peaceful. She needs to do the right thing.

OPINION AND SPECULATION ONLY

 

[MissJ]

Go to the Doe Network and look at the thousands upon thousands of missing people and that will answer your question.

This is a big planet, and it's difficult to find people; even with our exceptional LE, canine, and volunteer teams.

In this case however, I believe with every ounce of my being that DeDe Spicher is going to do the right thing and provide vital information to lead us to Kyron.
I am directing my prayers to her, to give her strength and courage to do so.
I can't imagine her sleep is peaceful. She needs to do the right thing.

OPINION AND SPECULATION ONLY

I know it is a big world but she didn't have a lot of time to do it in.....how far away could he be? Did she hand him off to someone who took him far away?
Its the only way to me that it makes any sense. If you looked at the Dylan Redwine case they actually found a few bones in their searches. I keep hoping someone has him and he is alive.:moo:

 

[daisy7]

Go to the Doe Network and look at the thousands upon thousands of missing people and that will answer your question.

This is a big planet, and it's difficult to find people; even with our exceptional LE, canine, and volunteer teams.

In this case however, I believe with every ounce of my being that DeDe Spicher is going to do the right thing and provide vital information to lead us to Kyron.
I am directing my prayers to her, to give her strength and courage to do so.
I can't imagine her sleep is peaceful. She needs to do the right thing.

OPINION AND SPECULATION ONLY

I agree about the big planet and that it is often hard to find missing people. Every time I drive on the FL Turnpike down to South/Central FL or on any other highway, I notice the wooded medians that would be perfect for hiding a body.

I have always been a fence-sitter and continue to be, cuz TH's timeline is too tight. It doesn't make logical sense (to me) to "abduct" your step-son from a school event, kill him and then show up at the grocery store a little while later with your sick daughter. HTH did she manage to get out of the school with K and Baby K in a stroller without anyone seeing them leave, cuz there were so many people there that morning?

 

[human]

I agree about the big planet and that it is often hard to find missing people. Every time I drive on the FL Turnpike down to South/Central FL or on any other highway, I notice the wooded medians that would be perfect for hiding a body.

I have always been a fence-sitter and continue to be, cuz TH's timeline is too tight. It doesn't make logical sense (to me) to "abduct" your step-son from a school event, kill him and then show up at the grocery store a little while later with your sick daughter. HTH did she manage to get out of the school with K and Baby K in a stroller without anyone seeing them leave, cuz there were so many people there that morning?

How did anyone get him out?

She knew the school. She knew what it would be like there that day. She did not take her car. Rather she took a white truck which is non descript. Why?

 

[Kimster]

No, it doesn't.:fence: I just don't understand why no body had been found.

I wish I could take you and everyone else out to that area. I don't think one could find elephant remains in that terrain. I'm not kidding. The foliage is dense - very dense. And with each season, the leaves and rain make anything left turn into compost.

It's not fun having to paint this grim picture to you guys because this case is dear to my heart. If/when Kyron is found, and his remains are in the outdoor areas where TH's cell pings occurred, it will be a true miracle.

 

[MissJ]

I wish I could take you and everyone else out to that area. I don't think one could find elephant remains in that terrain. I'm not kidding. The foliage is dense - very dense. And with each season, the leaves and rain make anything left turn into compost.

It's not fun having to paint this grim picture to you guys because this case is dear to my heart. If/when Kyron is found, and his remains are in the outdoor areas where TH's cell pings occurred, it will be a true miracle.

Must be like my area.Oh my, that is alarming! And all the searches. Sad.

 

[gwenabob]

TMH only pretended to love Kyron for her own purposes. She used him to build an image of herself as a loving stepmom as long as he was a very small child, and before Baby K was born. Once she had her own baby, Kyron became disposable to her. As Kyron got older, he saw things and knew things that she kept from Kaine, and more than likely, he inadvertently spilled the beans to his Dad and his Mom. This caused friction in the marriage, so Kyron was a problem for TMH. Also, I suspect TMH wanted Baby K to be first in Kaine's affections as a parent,but Kyron was in the way. She no longer needed Kyron...she had her own baby by Kaine....and she did not want him any longer. Baby K was front and center, and TMH did her best to portray Kyron as somewhat of a problem child. I think TMH secretly hated Kyron because he was Desiree's child with Kaine. She secretly hated Kaine for sticking up for Kyron and not letting her ride roughshod over that poor little boy. TMH blamed Kyron for all her problems, and was extremely angry at both Kaine and Kyron. With Kyron gone, Baby K immediately would become The Only Child...with access to Kaine's time and money...through which TMH would benefit also. As an added bonus, it would hurt Kaine and Desiree...so TMH would get revenge on all of them. It was her Plan B after the failed murder-for-hire. TMH felt that her marriage was falling apart, and she was going to lose her cushy lifestyle. She had planned to get rid of Kaine, send Kyron off to Desiree and live large on Kaine's life insurance benefits. That didn't work out, so she set her sights on getting rid of Kyron whom she saw as a huge problem in her life, and as the cause of much of her marital strife. Kaine wanted Kyron to live with him,and refused to let him go to Desiree, so TMH believed that disappearing that little boy was the only way to get what she wanted. TMH really has no capacity for love, but she does know how to manipulate and pretend, and use people.
IMHO she is a classic psychopath in the same mold as Scott Peterson and Josh Powell.

Bravo! My thoughts exactly. Good analysis.

 

[gwenabob]

No, it doesn't.:fence: I just don't understand why no body had been found.

I guess you must not understand the climate/terrain in this part of the country. It is extremely green and forested around Kyron's home and the area where TMH was "aimlessly driving trying to calm the baby." All she needed to do is drop the body a hundred yards into the woods off a logging road and by the end of summer, between forest undergrowth and critters, there would be nothing left to find. The area in which they are looking is vast and wild with heavy forest and undergrowth. It will truly be a miracle if they find him.

 

[human]

The information that I was referring to about Kaine still thinking his son is alive came from an article Oregon Live By Lynne Terry where KH spoke about continuing to buy clothes for Kyron in bigger sizes and new toys that he might like. KH, unlike DY, is not looking for a dead child. The interview on TV where he said it was possible TH was telling the truth I'll have to look up. I don't post rumors.

Parents of missing children buy birthday presents and Christmas presents for their missing children. KH was married to TMH. He probably needs different mental models to deal with all of this.

 

[human]

Kaine and DY did an interview with Anna Consano, there is an actual thread here about it,
here were two parts. Look up the thread called 8-27-2011 KATU-TV with Kaine and DY. Please look at posts #48 and #58 where DY brings up that Kyron was seen outside with a man and that the source who reported that was credible. So its NOT just TMH telling that there was a man seen with Kyron. Its not a rumor. I believe its also on this interview where KH says it is possible TMH may have told the truth. Its not a rumor.

I have not looked at your reference, but that is the one where they are referring to him being out by the white truck, right?

Not where TH says she saw him with a male chaperone.

Yes, what did happen to that man and the truck

 

[EllaMae]

I agree about the big planet and that it is often hard to find missing people. Every time I drive on the FL Turnpike down to South/Central FL or on any other highway, I notice the wooded medians that would be perfect for hiding a body.

I have always been a fence-sitter and continue to be, cuz TH's timeline is too tight. It doesn't make logical sense (to me) to "abduct" your step-son from a school event, kill him and then show up at the grocery store a little while later with your sick daughter. HTH did she manage to get out of the school with K and Baby K in a stroller without anyone seeing them leave, cuz there were so many people there that morning?

BBM.....

That's exactly how she was able to do it. No one was paying attention BECAUSE there were so many people coming and going. Do we know for sure that Baby K was in a stroller? Not that it really matters except that if it's just an assumption we don't need to take it as a fact. I have been to many,many school functions with my 3 children, and I did not pay attention to the coming and going of other parents. I was focused on my own kids, and whatever they had going on. Supposedly Kyron disappeared from the hallway where his classroom was located, but it would've been easy for TMH to have Kyron meet her outside or right by that door leading outside close to his classroom without being noticed.
What we do know is that there was confusion over the timing of a DR.'s appointment for Kyron, and that the confusion was caused by TMH. I find that to be very interesting....and kind of suspicious considering what happened that day. No on was looking for Kyron because it was believed that he was at his DR.'s appointment. Even Kyron apparently thought that was true because he mentioned it to his friend.
The DR.'s appointment ,and if it actually existed, has remained a mystery to the public, but I bet LE knows, and probably Desiree and Kaine know also when and if Kyron had one.

As far as the grocery store....my theory is that Kyron was still in the truck at that time, but she was setting up an alibi. She even kept the receipt.....and made sure she was seen by someone she knew. The person she spoke to found TMH's behavior a little out of the ordinary. That's interesting too.
I believe that TMH drugged Kyron, and that he was possibly unconscious or becoming sleepy and probably covered up in the floorboard of the truck. She may have threatened him if he was still conscious,taped his mouth shut,tied him up and told him not to move. I believe he would've been too frightened to disobey given his personality. But I just have the belief that he was given enough drugs to kill him based on the fact that she was his caregiver and his step mom. She disposed of his body while she was riding around with a supposedly fussy baby. She had plenty of time to harm him and then hide the body out in the woods around the area. I don't understand the excuse that there was no time. She was unaccounted for on that day for around 2 hours IIRC. How much more time do you need to kill a child? As for DS...I think TMH fed her friend a line of BS about her marriage, her problems and Kyron's death, and that DS thought she was helping her friend get out of an accidental mess if she was indeed involved in what happened to that sweet little boy.
There's a strong possibility that she was there after the fact and maybe helped hide the body. I do not think she did the actual kidnapping, and I don't know why she would have any motivation to actually murder a child. TMH is a master manipulator, and she played DS like a piano. TMH had motive and plenty of opportunity, and I think she is responsible.

There's also the possibility that Kyron was handed off to someone else before TMH went to the store, but I see that as unlikely.

 

[EllaMae]

Kaine and DY did an interview with Anna Consano, there is an actual thread here about it,
here were two parts. Look up the thread called 8-27-2011 KATU-TV with Kaine and DY. Please look at posts #48 and #58 where DY brings up that Kyron was seen outside with a man and that the source who reported that was credible. So its NOT just TMH telling that there was a man seen with Kyron. Its not a rumor. I believe its also on this interview where KH says it is possible TMH may have told the truth. Its not a rumor.

IMHO LE probably followed that lead and put it to rest. That was in 2011.