Kyron Horman's general discussion thread for 2014

[rosesfromangels]

I am not a professional therapist, nor have I ever played one on T.V. ; )
That said, here's my armchair quarterback version of what I think happened, and what motivated the behavior.

TMH, in my opinion, is profoundly narcissistic to the point of being a sociopath. Her world went from being the center of attention (look at me on stage, I'm a bodybuilder), to being wooed by Kaine, to being characterized as a frumpy, discontent alcoholic housewife.

Kaine's son became an inconvenience at best, and when TMH didn't derive enough sick pleasure from being disloyal to her husband by sexting with his friend (and who knows who else, or what else), her sickness escalated to the next level of revenge. She was livid that she wasn't the center of attention anymore. When her alleged murder for hire plot failed to eradicate Kaine, she then shifted her focus to poor Kyron.

Kaine had insisted TMH's own bio son move back with his bio Dad, and leave Kaine's home. This was the straw that pushed TMH even further over the sociopath line.
I believe TMH lured a Perp in by using her sexting skills once again. I would look to her gym rat friends from her bodybuilding days, especially known felons or laborers.

I believe TMH absolutely paid someone to take Kyron, and most likely told DeDe Spicher that she had sent Kyron away somewhere out of the country, and that he was safe. I believe DDS thought she was protecting TMH from potential kidnapping charges, not murder charges.

Further, I believe there is a great deal known about this case that hasn't been shared with the public for obvious reasons. I believe LE knows what happened to Kyron, at least one of the persons directly involved, and the approximate area of the crime. They simply will not pull the Perp(s) in, until they have enough to convict.

As to TMH....well, she has certainly put herself and her family in danger. She made a deal with someone who would murder, and if she speaks, there would be retribution. Perhaps her daughter is at risk, and that is why she hasn't pursued seeing her vigorously.

As to DDS, well I think she is a very foolish woman, IMO, and is perhaps too afraid to speak as well.

TMH and her attention seeking attorney can play all the legal games they want. The wall is crumbling down, and the clock is running out. The game will soon be over.

This whole case reminds me of the old adage - "When you seek revenge, you should dig TWO graves....."

All the above is not based on fact or inside knowledge or any sort. This is purely my speculation and opinion.

COME HOME KYRON!

 

[EllaMae]

My main problem with hiring a kidnapper.....where would TMH get the money to pay someone to take an innocent child? That is NOT a low risk proposition, and very few people would even entertain doing such a thing. It's not likely that Kyron had an insurance policy with TMH as the beneficiary like Kaine probably did. A young step child with both biological parents alive has no assets to pass on like a husband would. She had no real money of her own, and if she had borrowed any large sums from a friend or relative I think LE would've found it. She sure wasn't getting any huge sums from Kaine, and he had already complained to her about her spending, so apparently he kept a close eye on their money. TMH had no job, and hadn't worked in a long time. Where did she get enough money to hire someone to do the unthinkable, and buy his/her silence? Kyron was only a little boy....hardly a threat to anyone. How would TMH come in contact with anyone that cold and soul-less in her limited circle?

It doesn't make sense to me just from a practical viewpoint.

 

[nosysw]

My main problem with hiring a kidnapper.....where would TMH get the money to pay someone to take an innocent child? That is NOT a low risk proposition, and very few people would even entertain doing such a thing. It's not likely that Kyron had an insurance policy with TMH as the beneficiary like Kaine probably did. A young step child with both biological parents alive has no assets to pass on like a husband would. She had no real money of her own, and if she had borrowed any large sums from a friend or relative I think LE would've found it. She sure wasn't getting any huge sums from Kaine, and he had already complained to her about her spending, so apparently he kept a close eye on their money. TMH had no job, and hadn't worked in a long time. Where did she get enough money to hire someone to do the unthinkable, and buy his/her silence? Kyron was only a little boy....hardly a threat to anyone. How would TMH come in contact with anyone that cold and soul-less in her limited circle?

It doesn't make sense to me just from a practical viewpoint.

You raise some very good points. Although, I do feel if TMH is guilty, she did have some assistance, I'm not sure if it was planned ahead, and/or if the person assisting knew in advance, knew what they were assisting with, etc.

Regarding where she would get the money to pay someone, I'm pretty sure many of us would be quite surprised to find out how many people are willing to do unconscionable things, for shockingly small amounts of money. Especially when they are down and out, drug addicted, whatever.

Or maybe she promised something besides money. Or future payments (not realizing KH would catch on to her so quickly), or payments upon his death which could have been part II of the plan (since it didn't work out as part I).

I also wonder if she had a plan to do away with Kyron that went awry. Maybe she had someone take him, but then they didn't follow up on the next part of the plan? And there was nothing she could do about it without implicating herself further.

So many possibilities. But, somehow, she seems to me to be the common denominator in all of them. JMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

My main problem with hiring a kidnapper.....where would TMH get the money to pay someone to take an innocent child? That is NOT a low risk proposition, and very few people would even entertain doing such a thing. It's not likely that Kyron had an insurance policy with TMH as the beneficiary like Kaine probably did. A young step child with both biological parents alive has no assets to pass on like a husband would. She had no real money of her own, and if she had borrowed any large sums from a friend or relative I think LE would've found it. She sure wasn't getting any huge sums from Kaine, and he had already complained to her about her spending, so apparently he kept a close eye on their money. TMH had no job, and hadn't worked in a long time. Where did she get enough money to hire someone to do the unthinkable, and buy his/her silence? Kyron was only a little boy....hardly a threat to anyone. How would TMH come in contact with anyone that cold and soul-less in her limited circle?

It doesn't make sense to me just from a practical viewpoint.

Alot of "muscle women" make large amounts of money do and web cam stuff. Betcha, just betcha this is the money source.

 

[EllaMae]

I can't see anyone taking such a huge risk for a promise of payment later. I can't see any drug addict being that desperate, because if the addiction was at that level then that person would be extremely unreliable. Most addicts would just scam her,take her money and go get high anyway. The logistics of finding and hiring someone that evil and capable of kidnapping and murdering a child for a few bucks or a roll in the hay just does not make sense.

I'm never surprised by what human beings are capable of doing. Not anymore. But I am a firm believer that it's still extremely difficult to successfully hire a hit on a little boy with parents who are not rich, famous, in the drug trade, or world leaders and then pay for it with an IOU.

The simplest theory is usually the answer with crimes against young children. Most of the time a child is killed by a parent,step parent, live-in partner or someone close to the family. Kyron was only despised by TMH, and she is the only one with motive and opportunity.

 

[EllaMae]

Alot of "muscle women" make large amounts of money do and web cam stuff. Betcha, just betcha this is the money source.

TMH had recently had a baby and was not doing bodybuilding at that level at that time in her life. She was still trying to lose the baby weight. TMH was also an alcoholic who spent time passed out on her couch. She was not making tons of money anywhere, and had no financial independence.

LE would follow the money if that was the case. I guarantee there was a search done. IIRC the computers were removed from her home at some point. That stuff has a way of surfacing once someone becomes infamous anyway.

 

[human]

The idea of a web cam is interesting, although I think we would be hearing about a conviction for unreported income if that was the case

 

[rosesfromangels]

The idea of a web cam is interesting, although I think we would be hearing about a conviction for unreported income if that was the case

Anything is possible. She seems to leverage technology to promote herself sexually (sexting), so this seems like a strong possibility to me. Opinion only.

 

[MissJ]

Parents of missing children buy birthday presents and Christmas presents for their missing children. KH was married to TMH. He probably needs different mental models to deal with all of this.

When I stated this in a previous post I was accused of taking rumors from a blog and bringing here. I was explaining where my info came from. He did indeed say he thought his son was alive. Whether he still does I don't know.

 

[MissJ]

I live in a heavily forested area and missing people are never found. It is alleged to be a dumping ground from up north. I'm hoping Kyron will be found.

 

[MissJ]

I have not looked at your reference, but that is the one where they are referring to him being out by the white truck, right?

Not where TH says she saw him with a male chaperone.

Yes, what did happen to that man and the truck

DY says that Kyron was seen outside with a man and that the source was reliable. Kaine didn't seem to want her to talk about it. I have no idea who he was or what happened to him. My or may not be the person TMH was talking about. :twocents:

 

[MissJ]

IMHO LE probably followed that lead and put it to rest. That was in 2011.

We have no idea what they have put to rest.:moo:

 

[anxietyqueen]

Hi Sleuthers,
I'm reading about this poor little guy for the first time. Can someone please tell me the correct pronunciation of his name? In Australia I'm thinking it's Kyron (the ky rhymes with ear?) pronounced Keeran (quite common name for little boys here) or is it Kyron (the ky rhymes with sky?) pronounced KYron? I know it's of no consequence I just want to make sure I'm getting it right.
Thanks, Kate. I'll b praying for him and those who are missing him.

 

[MissJ]

If TMH is not the "mastermind", then someone else is.

There have been plenty of. "Masterminds" Like Casey Anthony who didn't report her two year old as missing, made up jobs and imaginary babysitters, and had a death smell in her car.

We have no idea what LE knows

We sure don't know what LE knows. Still I feel they had loads of evidence on Casey, she was a great liar but not too smart. I also thought she had help taking the baby to where she was found.:moo:

 

[MissJ]

Do you have a link to that?

I do not recall that.

TIA

Yes I do and I posted it on this thread.:twocents:

 

[MissJ]

Well then, let us help this poor woman who has wrongly accused of murdering or paying someone to murder or dispose of her step-son by giving her a perfect venue to clear up this horrid misperception.

I say she comes to Tricia's True Crime Radio and set us all straight. How about that?

Call her lawyer and give him the suggestion.

 

[MamaJoJo]

Hi Sleuthers,
I'm reading about this poor little guy for the first time. Can someone please tell me the correct pronunciation of his name? In Australia I'm thinking it's Kyron (the ky rhymes with ear?) pronounced Keeran (quite common name for little boys here) or is it Kyron (the ky rhymes with sky?) pronounced KYron? I know it's of no consequence I just want to make sure I'm getting it right.
Thanks, Kate. I'll b praying for him and those who are missing him.

"Ky" rhymes with "sky".

 

[human]

Anything is possible. She seems to leverage technology to promote herself sexually (sexting), so this seems like a strong possibility to me. Opinion only.

I don't doubt that she is capable of it, but she has been investigated in so many ways that it is highly unlikely that she could hide income from that activity.

Remember, Al Capone was busted for income tax evasion. That was the only way they could get him.

I cannot believe she would be doing it for money because she would have been caught

 

[human]

Yes I do and I posted it on this thread.:twocents:

Kind of.

 

[human]

We sure don't know what LE knows. Still I feel they had loads of evidence on Casey, she was a great liar but not too smart. I also thought she had help taking the baby to where she was found.:moo:

Casey was not a great liar. Her stories were absurd. Pathological liar. Prolific. But not great.

A great liar says stuff that is believable.