Kyron Horman's general discussion thread for 2014

[cf0319]

Please note that TP said that Kyron was noticed missing when the class was re assembling after their tour, not before the tour of the other classrooms, if this was the case then there should have been other children, not to mention the chaperone for Kyrons group, that saw Kyron long after Terry had left the school, sorry this never happened.
One of the reasons that the FBI and LE asked TP and his grandmother not to talk to newsmedia about this story, not factual accounts, or some of the other students, sub teacher, that has been said was not the case, and Kyrons teacher would have backed this up.

TP [modsnip: change name to initials] sounds like he got the chaperone and Ms. Porter down perfectly, in my opinion.

The fact is that no one knows what those other children told investigators. They may have backed up every one of TP's statements, but LE asked them not to tell anyone. And we know that LE basically asked everyone not to talk and have continued to do so throughout the investigation. Why do you assume that they are being silent because their accounts don't match?

If you're implying that TP is confused between assembling before the group tour and reassembling after the tour was over, then why did the chaperone do a head count and get so upset that Kyron was missing, and then leave after being assured by Ms. Porter that he was around somewhere? Plus we also know that TP ran into Kyron on his way to see the "electric ones" and that Terri was not around.

 

[Jo in Calif]

[modsnip]

TP said the chaperone was a sub teacher. see this in your #392 post.
But, Portland Public School spokesman Matt Shelby said the account can't be true: "There were no substitutes at the school that day (the day Kyron disappeared)," he said.

Shelby thinks Pumala may be confused because all week after the disappearance a subsitute teacher has been at the school to help with the stress of the Horman case.

If this were a true account and Mrs. porter also saw Kyron before the children went on tour the other children that were in Kyrons group saw him at that time and all of those people gave LE and the FBI the same story that TP gave in his interview to the media, don't you think that LE would have gone in a different direction with this investigation? Do you really think Mrs. Porter would have marked him absent after seeing him in her class, when class had started and the children went on tour and him being missing after they reassembled in her class? That IMO makes no sense at all.

 

[cluciano63]

TP said the chaperone was a sub teacher. see this in your #392 post.
But, Portland Public School spokesman Matt Shelby said the account can't be true: "There were no substitutes at the school that day (the day Kyron disappeared)," he said.

Shelby thinks TP may be confused because all week after the disappearance a subsitute teacher has been at the school to help with the stress of the Horman case.

If this were a true account and Mrs. porter also saw Kyron before the children went on tour the other children that were in Kyrons group saw him at that time and all of those people gave LE and the FBI the same story that TP gave in his interview to the media, don't you think that LE would have gone in a different direction with this investigation? Do you really think Mrs. Porter would have marked him absent after seeing him in her class, when class had started and the children went on tour and him being missing after they reassembled in her class? That IMO makes no sense at all.

I thought Kyron's jacket and/or backpack was found in school closet later? If so, this should have been the first thing the teacher checked, Imo, and alarm should have been raised right then, once the items were identified as Kyron's. If a parent had picked him up, he would have taken his stuff. Jmo

 

[Donjeta]

how long would the school day have been? sometimes I've taken my child out of the school in the middle of the day for a doctor's appointment and they didn't necessarily take their bag if the plan was to come back after the appointment

 

[Laughing]

I thought Kyron's jacket and/or backpack was found in school closet later? If so, this should have been the first thing the teacher checked, Imo, and alarm should have been raised right then, once the items were identified as Kyron's. If a parent had picked him up, he would have taken his stuff. Jmo

I remember this, too, perhaps even a photograph of the cubby with the item?

Also, IIRC the substitute teacher was for part of the day, not the full day. Possibly a dentist's appointment for the regular teacher? This was part of the confusion, Kyron was not marked absent until after the regular teacher reached the room later in the day?

Sorry, not wading back for links on the iPad!

 

[Jo in Calif]

I thought Kyron's jacket and/or backpack was found in school closet later? If so, this should have been the first thing the teacher checked, Imo, and alarm should have been raised right then, once the items were identified as Kyron's. If a parent had picked him up, he would have taken his stuff. Jmo

Not if that parent had been setting this up all along, why would they pick his things up?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

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#Find Kyron THIS weekend.

If in the area, please come out and help.

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Thanks for the update !

lease:lease:lease: that Kyron will be found !

 

[cluciano63]

Not if that parent had been setting this up all along, why would they pick his things up?

The teacher should have assumed, though, if his stuff was there, that he was missing.

 

[human]

I thought Kyron's jacket and/or backpack was found in school closet later? If so, this should have been the first thing the teacher checked, Imo, and alarm should have been raised right then, once the items were identified as Kyron's. If a parent had picked him up, he would have taken his stuff. Jmo

Kids lose and leave things all of the time. Go look at the lost and found at a school. It is astounding

 

[gitana1]

I think these are two different qualities we are talking about here. It seems undeniable - in the face of photo proof - that this child was a wanderer and could slip out of the classroom unnoticed.

That's a different thing from being an adventuresome "outdoorsy" boy who wants to go explore the woods.

I;m not sure how not being in one photo with your classmates equates to being a "wanderer". Maybe he had to pee. Maybe his step-mother told him to go do something to that her precious daughter could take his place in the photo.

The fact is, neither his father nor mother described him as a wanderer and TH's own mother stated flatly that he's not.

I wasn't around when Kyron first went missing so hoping you more experienced OG sleuthers can help. It seems Kaine stood by TH until they divorced and then he suddenly switched into thinking it was her. Does anyone have any theories as to why this is? I mean he was living with TH when this all was going on so surely he must have some insight or reason to think so, right? Also what was the official reason they gave for divorcing? TIA

He didn't switch gears after filing for divorce. Twenty two days after Kyron went missing, Kaine learned from investigators that his wife had planned a hit in him. He immediately moved out taking their child and two days later filed for a restraining order and for divorce. That was it. or at least, it was the final nail in the coffin. Speculation had been mounting steadily, that his wife was involved. Clearly, he was aware of that and was in the home, watching her reactions to all of this.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20400344,00.html

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/article/k...er-files-divorce-stepmother/story?id=11040606

 

[daisy7]

I remember this, too, perhaps even a photograph of the cubby with the item?

Also, IIRC the substitute teacher was for part of the day, not the full day. Possibly a dentist's appointment for the regular teacher? This was part of the confusion, Kyron was not marked absent until after the regular teacher reached the room later in the day?

Sorry, not wading back for links on the iPad!

IMO, I think the media labeled her wrong and she was actually a teacher's assistant. And, if she was not a regular one, she probably didn't know all the kids in the class.

 

[cluciano63]

Kids lose and leave things all of the time. Go look at the lost and found at a school. It is astounding

True but if his backpack was there, I would hesitate thinking he is absent, especially if some kids said they had seen him. I do not recall what was left behind; if just a jacket, maybe it would not raise a flag, but if both jacket and backpack were there, I would be safe, rather than sorry, and raise the alarm. And didn't at least one child say he was in the bathroom?

 

[daisy7]

True but if his backpack was there, I would hesitate thinking he is absent, especially if some kids said they had seen him. I do not recall what was left behind; if just a jacket, maybe it would not raise a flag, but if both jacket and backpack were there, I would be safe, rather than sorry, and raise the alarm. And didn't at least one child say he was in the bathroom?

IIRC, it was both his backpack and jacket hanging in the cubby area. My sons are always losing their sweatshirts and jackets, but never their backpacks. Once, one left his on the bus home and there was major drama until we got it back But, I don't expect a teacher to remember which backpack belongs to whom unless they have designated hooks. But, I'm pretty sure all the kids in the class knew (I have no clue how they remember all this stuff, but they do))

IMO, based on my experiences.

 

[Jo in Calif]

True but if his backpack was there, I would hesitate thinking he is absent, especially if some kids said they had seen him. I do not recall what was left behind; if just a jacket, maybe it would not raise a flag, but if both jacket and backpack were there, I would be safe, rather than sorry, and raise the alarm. And didn't at least one child say he was in the bathroom?

No one child didn't say that he was in the bathroom, TP said the sub teacher said he was probably in the bathroom.
His teacher Mrs. Porter, I think that was her name thought that he had a Dr. appt that day so she did not think he was missing. If she did notice his jacket and backpack in the cubby IMO she would have thought it had been forgotten there when he left to go to the Dr. with his step mother. She had seen him there with her, Terry, that morning.

 

[cluciano63]

I guess I am over-cautious. No kids, but lots of teachers in my family. I would have wanted to be sure he left for an appointment, and if a parent could not be contacted via a cellphone, would have reported him as absent/possibly missing right away, but jmo.

 

[rachaellouise]

So regardless of who we think is responsible, where do you think Kyron could be? what type of areas or land or buildings would be relevant to your suspect? TIA


I personally think that the back roads TH claimed to have driven to yet "couldn't remember where" would be a very likely place to find Kyron, IMO

 

[Chewy]

I've always thought he was in a well for some reason.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I've always thought he was in a well for some reason.

this has been a persistent thought of mine as well

 

[RoseTree]

Exactly! It was such a negative thing to say about a child on FB that I was astounded.

Was that the day she was there to celebrate Kiara's birthday?

I was astounded by that too. Most people that I know don't say negative things about their kids like that on social media.

Why was she celebrating Kiara's birthday at Kyron's school?

 

[rachaellouise]

this has been a persistent thought of mine as well

I always thought that because of THs body shape and size meant she wouldn't haven't taken him far on foot. So maybe he was placed not far from a road that she deemed far away enough! I don't know.