Kyron's General Discussion Thread for 2012-13

[Donjeta]

Also from the article:

The online article says that, as recently as last week, investigators talked to Dede Spicher about conducting a sting on Terri Horman. Spicher declined.

I have three thoughts about this:
1. Is that cooperation ?
2. I suppose if they've lost contact and Terri now knows that Dede is speaking with the investigators a sting would likely have been unsuccessful, Terri would have smelled a rat if Dede called her all of a sudden after three years.
3. If true it sounds like Terri is still the suspect as far as the investigators are concerned.

"She passed a polygraph, you know, confirming everything that she has been saying which frankly everything she has been saying for the past three and a half years was true," said S. Christina Stoy, Editor in Chief of ************.com in an interview with KGW.

She knows this how, exactly? Because Dede said so? (And if Dede had been lying for three and a half years she would have told her, for sure?)

JMO but I would expect Dede to say things like this either way, whether she's been truthful or not. It's hardly worth lying to the investigators if you're then going to give an interview to an online magazine and tell them you lied. So that proves nothing in my book.

 

[believe09]

Why does she need immunity? If she has nothing about Kyron, what does LE give her immunity for? They want info on Kyron. Whatever else she has going on would be of zero interest.

I think this pretty much sums up the likely accuracy of this story.

She has been unofficially cleared, has no knowledge of anyone else's role in this case and has passed a poly...but she received immunity. Yeah right. Moving on...

 

[nosysw]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Dede-Spicher-terri-horman-kyron-immunity-222430021.html

I'm sorry, what? ?!?!? She pleaded the fifth 142 times....!?!?!
If that's her definition of cooperative perhaps I don't want to know what she'd do if she was uncooperative.

Exactly. Gimme a break, Dede. That's kinda like if TH made a statement that her daughter has been her top priority for the last 3 years, or that she's been searching for Kyron herself while she's been holed away for 3 years. Yeah, right.

 

[sarah7855]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Dede-Spicher-terri-horman-kyron-immunity-222430021.html

"In an online article, Dede Spicher claims she has passed a polygraph, signed an immunity deal with prosecutors, and agreed to "tell all" before the grand jury investigating the case."

Well darn. My heart skipped a beat reading this, then I went to the link and realized where the interview originated from (BOC). Bah. :banghead:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Honestly, if I were her (or anyone else for that matter), the absolute LAST place I would go would be HLN. Followed closely by the msm. HLN is, imo, a very bad joke and the msm, also imo, strives to be more like HLN every day.

:seeya: Good point, because IMO, they have lost some credibility ...

But on the other hand, HLN has covered Kyron's case and other missing persons' cases, which is better than no coverage at all ...

:moo:

 

[rosesfromangels]

When a little boy is missing you don't plead the fifth....you don't lawyer up....you don't avoid the media....you talk, you tell everyone and anyone who will listen every detail you can possibly think of. I can only conclude that DDS was a lot more involved than perhaps we originally thought. Otherwise, who would risk going to jail for a friend? That must be one very interesting friendship. As always...speculation only, and my opinion only!

 

[Rayne]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Dede-Spicher-terri-horman-kyron-immunity-222430021.html

"In an online article, Dede Spicher claims she has passed a polygraph, signed an immunity deal with prosecutors, and agreed to "tell all" before the grand jury investigating the case."

It was like a train wreck ... I wanted to stop looking ... but I couldn't.

My response: :banghead:

Wow. The number of times she contradicts herself in there ... ...

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

I think this pretty much sums up the likely accuracy of this story.

She has been unofficially cleared, has no knowledge of anyone else's role in this case and has passed a poly...but she received immunity. Yeah right. Moving on...

Immunity from the threats LE had made against her related to a tax issue is my take away after reading the story. Reasonable to ask for it in exchange for testimony at this point. Also reasonable to seek the advice of counsel when the full weight of LE is coming down on you. After she told them everything she knows, and let them search her property, and LE was still using intimidation tactics to get her to tell a story that wasn't hers, wasn't the truth.

 

[keyleigh]

Huh. That was an interesting read.

So why would she need immunity if she has nothing to hide and did nothing? And if she knows nothing, did nothing, doesn't think TH did anything blah blah, what on earth was discussed during five hours of testimony?

Quick question too. Does anyone know or could link me to a picture of DS around June 2010? Curious about hair length.

 

[MissJ]

JMO, it seems that in this case LE mucked up the investigation....the murder for hire sting where TMH called police, for instance. JMO again but I believe she (DDS) told the same story she is telling now and she wasn't believed. After three years I forget details. I think a lot of carp has been implied that may not be the whole truth. <modsnip>

 

[Donjeta]

Immunity from the threats LE had made against her related to a tax issue is my take away after reading the story. Reasonable to ask for it in exchange for testimony at this point. Also reasonable to seek the advice of counsel when the full weight of LE is coming down on you. After she told them everything she knows, and let them search her property, and LE was still using intimidation tactics to get her to tell a story that wasn't hers, wasn't the truth.

Okay... that would make sense... if she hadn't said that she's been cooperative all along. :waitasec: Since apparently she now claims that she's been cooperating for all this time and LE has known her story all along and it hasn't changed.

In the article, Spicher says she's been unfairly portrayed and that she has been cooperative with investigators. She says her only request was that her attorney be present during police interviews, and that her account has never wavered.

"She passed a polygraph, you know, confirming everything that she has been saying which frankly everything she has been saying for the past three and a half years was true," said S. Christina Stoy, Editor in Chief of ************.com in an interview with KGW.

If so, then there would be no need for LE to offer her anything "in exchange for testimony" and nothing to gain from one since they'd already have her testimony and if she really knows nothing her testimony is not worth much.

It only makes sense IMO if she knows something she hasn't told until now.

There's no reason she'd have needed to wait for an immunity offer to testify that she doesn't think that Terri did anything but that she doesn't know anything anyway.

For those who want to remind themselves of the past history of the case, here's Dede's deposition from last October (the one in which she kept pleading the fifth)

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf

/begin sarcasm/ She sounds extremely cooperative and willing to tell all to me... /end sarcasm/

It's a depo for the civil case, not LE, so maybe she had told all for them but if her counsel was worried that she would incriminate herself in an interview with Desiree's attorneys I don't see why he wouldn't have been likewise in interviews with LE.

Also note that she actually agrees to talk about the things related to her employment that could possibly incriminate her regarding the tax issue, up until she doesn't, so it doesn't appear to me that the tax thing was the crux of her fears back then.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Huh. That was an interesting read.

So why would she need immunity if she has nothing to hide and did nothing? And if she knows nothing, did nothing, doesn't think TH did anything blah blah, what on earth was discussed during five hours of testimony?

Quick question too. Does anyone know or could link me to a picture of DS around June 2010? Curious about hair length.

Here ya go ...




Taken at GJ in 2010.



The one below was shown on the tv news :

 

[human]

The tax issue is one that we knew about in 2010. She was working and collecting unemployment. I think in three years the unemployment office has caught up with her.

It would be a matter of repayment. Not that big of a deal. If there is a tax liability, in three years that should have been taken care of as well. It is penny ante stuff . I doubt if LE can do anything about tax or unemployment fraud issues.

Her story is BS IMO

 

[human]

Here is info on unemployment fraud. Not a big deal.

http://www.justanswer.com/topics-unemployment-fraud/

 

[ami]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Dede-Spicher-terri-horman-kyron-immunity-222430021.html

I'm sorry, what? ?!?!? She pleaded the fifth 142 times....!?!?!
If that's her definition of cooperative perhaps I don't want to know what she'd do if she was uncooperative.

Omg, she wouldn't even confirm or deny that she knew who Kyron Horman was! What a crock of bull.

Immunity from the threats LE had made against her related to a tax issue is my take away after reading the story. Reasonable to ask for it in exchange for testimony at this point. Also reasonable to seek the advice of counsel when the full weight of LE is coming down on you. After she told them everything she knows, and let them search her property, and LE was still using intimidation tactics to get her to tell a story that wasn't hers, wasn't the truth.

If she committed tax fraud and then refused to help the investigation of a missing child until LE gave her immunity for her tax crime, she's still scum. She was collecting unemployment while getting money under the table, and rather than just... I don't know... pay her rightful penalty for that crime under law, she instead wastes how many hours, days and weeks of the investigation until she can skim out of her fraud? Even if that's the most innocent reason she has for her silence, she's really repellent.

And since she's proven that she will lie about her crimes to prevent getting busted for them, it makes sense that LE would look at her more closely when she turns up associated with yet another crime.

In any case, where did you read that LE was trying to force her to lie about Kyron?

 

[believe09]

Immunity from the threats LE had made against her related to a tax issue is my take away after reading the story. Reasonable to ask for it in exchange for testimony at this point. Also reasonable to seek the advice of counsel when the full weight of LE is coming down on you. After she told them everything she knows, and let them search her property, and LE was still using intimidation tactics to get her to tell a story that wasn't hers, wasn't the truth.

Thank you for your perspective-I appreciate it. Respectfully, I have some healthy skepticism about her victim status at the hands of LE, but we will see what unfolds if her GJ testimony becomes public and if there is more information released on the part of LE.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Photos of DDS:





:twocents: I remember this photo with that "smug look" ...






Not a good quality photo ... but from the GJ "appearance" ...

 

[keyleigh]

Excellent, thank you. I have to go to bed- it's gone midnight here, but I'll be back tomorrow.

I'll just say how uncanny it is, isn't it? You could almost mistake one for the other, especially say, on passing them while driving?

IMO etc.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Excellent, thank you. I have to go to bed- it's gone midnight here, but I'll be back tomorrow.

I'll just say how uncanny it is, isn't it? You could almost mistake one for the other, especially say, on passing them while driving?

IMO etc.

Check out this "side-by-side" photo of the BFF's ...




Oh, and let's not forget this one ...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Omg, she wouldn't even confirm or deny that she knew who Kyron Horman was! What a crock of bull.

Snipped: I agree ... "what a crock" pleading the 5th as to whether or not she knew Kyron -- who is MISSING :banghead:

JMO ... but only a cold-hearted, hateful, involved (?) person would do something like that ...

:twocents: and :moo: