LA - ***ARREST*** Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette, 19 May 2012 #35

[RoseRed]

I never thought except very briefly that she might be under the truck -- but I considered her bike being under there a possibility. Still do, I guess.

plus I still believe there are 2 to 3 people in that truck.

 

[Backwoods]

I don't think he got rid of her body before the bike, did the police say his gps is what let them know he was in the whiskey bay area? If he did get rid of her prior to the bike the police would have gone to search that place?? I hope you all understand what i'm saying. If they have gps information then they would have used it as a tool to search the places the gps showed. I'm still trying to figure out if gps shows all your stops are just that you were in a certain area?

I don't think they have said how they have placed his truck at Whiskey Bay.

The bike was found before they likely had any GPS info on him (from burned truck or however). They did do further searching there after the bike was found, so maybe later they knew something from GPS.

 

[Backwoods]

Poison ivy reactions can begin to appear within just a few hours after contact with the plant, depending on the sensitivity of the individual.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_for_poison_ivy_reactions_to_show

I wonder if Mickey did escape at some point and there was a chase and struggle in a wooded area, with poison ivy? (shudder)

 

[Backwoods]

plus I still believe there are 2 to 3 people in that truck.

I have no idea of how many people are in the truck -- so I sure can't say there aren't 2 or 3.

 

[gngr~snap]

Also I'm wondering how long after exposure to poison ivy does the skin rash show up.

Not that quick! It usually takes at least 24 hours! 72 to get REAL BAD!!!
"The rash usually appears 8 to 48 hours after your contact with the urushiol. But it can occur from 5 hours to 15 days after touching the plant "
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/tc/poison-ivy-oak-or-sumac-topic-overview


In my professional opinion... no way "poison ivy" prevented treatment.
UNLESS HE HAD BEEN EXPOSED DAYS EARLIER AND WAS ALREADY SUFFERING BEFORE HE GRABBED MICKEY...
maybe what he really had was a reaction to "mace"?

 

[twiggy]

Not that quick! It usually takes at least 24 hours! 72 to get REAL BAD!!!
here's a time lapse...

maybe what he really had was a reaction to "mace"?

Ah good thinking. I'll google that.

 

[katydid23]

I can still entertain a notion that this was not, at least originally, a sex offender type of crime.

It's not totally unthinkable to me that BSL might have hit Mickey accidentally, panicked and grabbed her up because of fears of going back to prison, further alienating his gf's family, losing any ground he felt he'd made in attaining a "normal" life. (Not a good thing to do, of course, but still not the same as stalking a victim.)

I think he could have planned to hold her, alive, while he thought things out. But maybe she got a chance to attack him (because of course she would not be wanting to be held captive, whatever his motivation) and he killed her then -- or maybe she died of her original injuries. Or maybe she escaped from him at some point and he pursued, caught up, there was a struggle and he was injured then.

All the things he appears to have done to "cover" could still have seemed necessary steps to him. If he made a panicked decision to seize her in these circumstances, I think there would be no turning back for him later.

I don't think it was a random accident for a few reasons. Number one, what was he doing driving around there at that time of night? It is weird he would be out drinking all alone, unless he was trolling for a victim, imo. I don't see any other reason for him to be out driving those deserted streets at 2 am unless he was on a 'mission.'

Also, if it was just an accident, then why stop and pick up all of the evidence and put it in your truck? I think the first impulse would be to drive away as quickly as possible. And I don't think she was that badly injured in the 'bump' from the truck. There was no reason for him to kill her, if it was a simp,e accident. JMO

I think the fact that he is an RSO tells us the motive behind this 'accident.'

 

[Backwoods]

Not that quick! It usually takes at least 24 hours! 72 to get REAL BAD!!!
here's a time lapse...

maybe what he really had was a reaction to "mace"?

bbm: I thought about that, too! Does it usually cause a skin reaction that might look like poison ivy, anyone know?

As for poison ivy -- I'm not super-sensitive to it, but the few times I have had it, it set in to some degree pretty quickly (within a few hours). Usually on my fingers if I had grabbed a really good hold of a vine of it or something like that -- firm, prolonged contact, really scrubbing across it. IMO, reaction time is going to vary according to a lot of factors and definitely with individual sensitivity.

The idea that it can affect folks strongly when it is burned, mentioned at a link given earlier -- which I also personally know to be true -- gives some pause for thought, too, here. What if he was burning evidence of some type, right in the middle of lots of poison ivy, and sticking close to keep an eye on the process?

 

[gngr~snap]

bbm: I thought about that, too! Does it usually cause a skin reaction that might look like poison ivy, anyone know?

As for poison ivy -- I'm not super-sensitive to it, but the few times I have had it, it set in to some degree pretty quickly (within a few hours). Usually on my fingers if I had grabbed a really good hold of a vine of it or something like that -- firm, prolonged contact, really scrubbing across it. IMO, reaction time is going to vary according to a lot of factors and definitely with individual sensitivity.

The idea that it can affect folks strongly when it is burned, mentioned at a link given earlier -- which I also personally know to be true -- gives some pause for thought, too, here. What if he was burning evidence of some type, right in the middle of lots of poison ivy, and sticking close to keep an eye on the process?

If you burn it you get it in your mouth nose and lungs!
You are correct it can kill you!

It can also be inhaled if the poison plants are burned. The smoke may expose not only the skin to the chemical but also the nasal passages, throat, and lungs.
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/poison-ivy-oak-sumac

 

[Backwoods]

I don't think it was a random accident for a few reasons. Number one, what was he doing driving around there at that time of night? It is weird he would be out drinking all alone, unless he was trolling for a victim, imo. I don't see any other reason for him to be out driving those deserted streets at 2 am unless he was on a 'mission.'

Also, if it was just an accident, then why stop and pick up all of the evidence and put it in your truck? I think the first impulse would be to drive away as quickly as possible. And I don't think she was that badly injured in the 'bump' from the truck. There was no reason for him to kill her, if it was a simp,e accident. JMO

I think the fact that he is an RSO tells us the motive behind this 'accident.'

Many good points made. bbm, though: I don't think the RSO status necessarily "tells" us what happened in this particular incident -- RSOs can have accidents, just as anyone else can -- and, if one does, well, I guess I can understand why an RSO might have a bit more "reason" to panic. (Of course, I agree that an accident is no reason to kidnap or kill someone! He did terribly wrong, if guilty of what he is charged with, whatever the original incident or intention.)

I'm looking at this as a possible sexual attack, right along with most of you.

But, for my own pondering only, with no known offenses of that type since the one at age 20 that he served time for and no evidence released (yet) that this was a sexual attack, I have to refrain from letting the RSO status completely dictate what scenarios I consider possible.

 

[Boudin]

The poison ivy was so bad they could not treat the cuts? Sorry, but that makes zero sense to me. The only thing I can come up with for that is that the cuts were not bad enough to treat -- whether or not he had poison ivy. In my astute medical opinion, there would be no contraindication for treating "cuts" based on the fact that the comorbidity was the dermatological condition known commonly as "poison ivy". In other words, my BS detector is beeping. I am not sure what happened, but it was not that.

No-one said they did not treat his cuts due to poison ivy.

A prior post by someone else said surgery wasn't done at OGH because of poison ivy. The whole story sounds odd to me.

 

[twiggy]

Not that quick! It usually takes at least 24 hours! 72 to get REAL BAD!!!
"The rash usually appears 8 to 48 hours after your contact with the urushiol. But it can occur from 5 hours to 15 days after touching the plant "
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/tc/poison-ivy-oak-or-sumac-topic-overview


In my professional opinion... no way "poison ivy" prevented treatment.
UNLESS HE HAD BEEN EXPOSED DAYS EARLIER AND WAS ALREADY SUFFERING BEFORE HE GRABBED MICKEY...
maybe what he really had was a reaction to "mace"?

Apparently Mace is just a brand name of pepper spray and it does cause a rash but I cannot find a pic to see if someone could be fooled into thinking it's poison ivy.

 

[Ms.Jules]

I believe he needed surgery, possibly to his hand (BSL's relative said BSL's finger had nearly been cut off), but the poison ivy was so bad they couldn't perform the surgery.

I believe he stated that BL had said that over the phone, no proof that his finger was almost severed off. Also as I have stated, the police report states the injuries he had and the finger is not on there. It says his chest, neck, back and hand. I think he told them that because he was too busy covering up everything. And also: if he had poison ivy or a rash of some sort preventing him from receiving medical care, it would have been stated in the report. Please, let’s state the facts and not the rumors: please:

 

[Backwoods]

Apparently Mace is just a brand name of pepper spray and it does cause a rash but I cannot find a pic to see if someone could be fooled into thinking it's poison ivy.

I'm not finding pics, either (yet).

I think maybe actual Mace is different from pepper spray, but a lot of people refer to pepper spray as "Mace" in common usage...? Not sure, though.

If BSL did go both to the NOLA hospital (first) and then the one closer to home -- I wonder if any rash, etc., had developed yet when he was in NOLA? If not -- was it a matter of reaction time, or was it that he had not yet been exposed to the irritant at that point? Hmmm, food for thought.

 

[Backwoods]

I believe he stated that BL had said that over the phone, no proof that his finger was almost severed off. Also as I have stated, the police report states the injuries he had and the finger is not on there. It says his chest, neck, back and hand. I think he told them that because he was too busy covering up everything. And also: if he had poison ivy or a rash of some sort preventing him from receiving medical care, it would have been stated in the report. Please, let’s state the facts and not the rumors: please:

bbm: "Hand" could include finger -- could be multiple injuries on the hand.

 

[OceanMetTheSky]

Guys, I must say I am 90% sure I have seen BSL before, somewhere, on more than one occasion. When I saw pictures of his mother, it sealed the deal even more. My mother agrees.

I thought maybe it was from an old church, but it's not the church he's listed as attending.
I really wish I knew where I've seen him.

The first mug shot when he was convicted, I thought hmmm he looks REALLY familiar. But ignored it, thought maybe it was just a similarity to someone else.

But when the orange jumpsuit mug was released, I knew almost positively I've seen him more than once, just wish I knew WHERE.

The skinny mugshot in 1999 doesn't look familiar to me at all.
But the one of him more chubby definitely does. It's his eyes.

I'm very good with remembering people by their eyes, and i definitely remember his.

 

[twiggy]

I'm not finding pics, either (yet).

I think maybe actual Mace is different from pepper spray, but a lot of people refer to pepper spray as "Mace" in common usage...? Not sure, though.

If BSL did go both to the NOLA hospital (first) and then the one closer to home -- I wonder if any rash, etc., had developed yet when he was in NOLA? If not -- was it a matter of reaction time, or was it that he had not yet been exposed to the irritant at that point? Hmmm, food for thought.

Honestly though a pic probably doesn't matter because it's all contact dermatitis and no two rashes are exactly alike but I'm no medical professional.

 

[Duckman]

I've been keeping up with everything and staying on top of things as much as I can. Based upon a few things here and there I do not believe MS was dumped with the bike but closer to the BSL residence or a location he knew of in a wooded area. I am really hoping that they are getting closer to finding her. Certain things within the timeline just tell me she was not in WB. I still cannot figure out a few things but the picture is coming together. I think LE is trying even harder right now to find something before the upcoming grand jury hearing.

 

[OceanMetTheSky]

Also, I would not be surprised if BSL did have something to do with the New Orleans Jessica Hawk murder.
Although the sketch resembles his 1999 mugshot, and not the current one, I'm pretty sure he was probably still very skinny once he was released from prison. He probably gained weight once he began eating food out in the real world again.

Since inmates are required to keep their hair short, it would explain why the sketch depicts a shorter hair (almost shaved) version of BSL.

Also, a family member of his posted on here that BSL was questioned and a person of interest in 2 other Acadia Parish murders before, but never actually convicted because of lack of evidence. One was a young girl, whose remains were found at a camp.

Can I get a link to these two cases online, or can you tell us more about the previous cases?

 

[Ms.Jules]

I believe he needed surgery, possibly to his hand (BSL's relative said BSL's finger had nearly been cut off), but the poison ivy was so bad they couldn't perform the surgery.

bbm: "Hand" could include finger -- could be multiple injuries on the hand.

I dont think the cop would have left out something like that IMO and at the press confrence it was asked if there was a bite mark on his hand and they couldnt comment on it.