LA - ***ARREST*** Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette, 19 May 2012 #40

[reedus23]

I may have completely missed it in the earlier threads, has equusearch left or are they still there searching?

 

[quueenie]

Someone, I believe it was Shelly mentioned that BSL was hanging out at the coffee shop on Johnston Street, which is right near where he would have taken Mickey from..

 

[cluciano63]

I may be naive, but I think the rash is plain old poison ivy or oak, possibly caught while hiding the bike or Mickey.

As far as the aggravated/1st degree charge, they go together automatically. Any kidnapping resulting in death is first degree. In the first case that was tried against Derrick Lee, they had to charge him with second-degree murder, as he did not remove that victim from her home, so they could not prove kidnapping, and although they apparently struggled, there was no proof of rape in that case. That did result in a conviction and a life term, which kind of surprised me (the life sentence, not the conviction) as I was not sure they could give that, for second degree. After that case was tried, they only tried him for Murray Pace's murder, as a DP case, but were able to include evidence for 4-5 other victims (another surprise, although a good one.) Those were the cases they had DNA from Lee on.

His first trial came 14 months after his arrest, the DP trial just two months later, so 16 months after his arrest. I don't see why BL should need or get longer than that before he goes to trial.

 

[bessie]

FYI: Cajun Chardonnay is now a verified local in the Mickey Shunick case.

 

[SteveP]

The rash could have been from caustic materials (some chemical) that he used to hasten the deterioration of the body or to keep it from being attractive to vultures, etc.

JMO, but I still think poison ivy is the most likely cause of his reported rash (which was described as poison ivy, IIRC), and I would at least give some credence to the rash possibly having been caused by pepper spray (mace). If he used a chemical to hasten her deterioration, I think it would have been the last thing he did, after already leaving her body where it remains even now...and I can pour bleach out of a bottle without getting it all over me....JMO

 

[Mrs. A]

That was discussed when there was talk of a possible witness, that maybe BSL wasn't aware of, to place him at Whiskey Bay. I personally have been to Whiskey Bay. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine why anyone in their right mind would ever stay down there overnight. Even homeless people can find better spots. It's pitch dark at night. There are 14ft long gators that call Whiskey Bay home. Its a loud overpass, that is traveled a lot. Chicken said he saw a place with old clothing and some trash. There's been times I have thrown out t-shirts after fishing cause they're nasty and smell like fish. I think its more likely that you have messy fishermen. Again, jmo.

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Do gator bites or scratches look like knife stab wounds?

 

[cluciano63]

MOO is that the only stalking of Mickey that BSL did was that night in question. I think he happened upon her earlier on in her route, probably took a circuitous route, circling around her, trying to keep tabs on where she was, closing in slowly but surely until he thought he had the right time and the right place. I don't think it's a case of him having stalked her for days, weeks or months, learning her routines. I think BSL is too impulsive for that type of crime.

My guess is exactly the same as this scenario. He had not seen her before, had not followed her to Taco Bell or to Brettley's etc...that would have involved waiting around to see if she would come out, when at that hour, it would have made more sense that she was staying the night there. Poor Mickey became a victim because she was brave and confident and while aware of dangers, certainly not expecting to run into a monster.

 

[cluciano63]

I may have completely missed it in the earlier threads, has equusearch left or are they still there searching?

I don't think we know for sure; but I believe their MO is to come and go as requested by LE after the initial stages. So they may leave to do other searches and return again several times.

 

[prayersforthemissing]

Off topic, but so sad:

http://missingpersonsnews.com/body-found-on-interstate-20-in-west-texas/

At least a family gets closure, I suppose. But heartbreaking.

This body was found close to the town that I live in. Sadly it was found by a mowing crew and they ran over it with the tractor mower. The only thing left was bones and some very deteriorated clothing.
They did release today, on our local news that it was a male. Praying for some family to have closure soon.

 

[Lacole]

Only speaking from my experience, I personally have never seen a homeless person at WB.... and I have been there quite a few times. My husband and I actually went there about a month ago- him to fish... me, to pretend to fish and get a good look around.

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This was awhile back that I was told to the previous question ... Ty been wondering if this is true.

 

[justwannahelp]

I may be naive, but I think the rash is plain old poison ivy or oak, possibly caught while hiding the bike or Mickey.

As far as the aggravated/1st degree charge, they go together automatically. Any kidnapping resulting in death is first degree. In the first case that was tried against Derrick Lee, they had to charge him with second-degree murder, as he did not remove that victim from her home, so they could not prove kidnapping, and although they apparently struggled, there was no proof of rape in that case. That did result in a conviction and a life term, which kind of surprised me (the life sentence, not the conviction) as I was not sure they could give that, for second degree. After that case was tried, they only tried him for Murray Pace's murder, as a DP case, but were able to include evidence for 4-5 other victims (another surprise, although a good one.) Those were the cases they had DNA from Lee on.

His first trial came 14 months after his arrest, the DP trial just two months later, so 16 months after his arrest. I don't see why BL should need or get longer than that before he goes to trial.

BBM

that is good to hear!

as to the charge. thanks for that. i was reading earlier parts of today's thread and everyone was speculating what they might have to make that charge. then i remembered what Chief Craft said and what you said above. I just couldn't remember the proper wording. but i remembered they came hand in hand.

 

[reedus23]

I don't think we know for sure; but I believe their MO is to come and go as requested by LE after the initial stages. So they may leave to do other searches and return again several times.

Thanks. I understand they do come and go based on what leads LE is getting. I just wasn't sure if they had left again after their most recent searches.

 

[justwannahelp]

This body was found close to the town that I live in. Sadly it was found by a mowing crew and they ran over it with the tractor mower. The only thing left was bones and some very deteriorated clothing.
They did release today, on our local news that it was a male. Praying for some family to have closure soon.

if it's male, then maybe it is the old man that would park his truck at a nearby shop then walk to town. the owner of the shop said that he hadn't been back to the shop for a couple of months and his truck had been sitting there.

 

[reedus23]

My guess is exactly the same as this scenario. He had not seen her before, had not followed her to Taco Bell or to Brettley's etc...that would have involved waiting around to see if she would come out, when at that hour, it would have made more sense that she was staying the night there. Poor Mickey became a victim because she was brave and confident and while aware of dangers, certainly not expecting to run into a monster.

Yes, my thoughts too. I think he was out prowling and unfortunately saw Mickey shortly after she left Brettley's house. I don't think he followed behind her the entire time but rather drove ahead of her, circled around, keeping tabs on where Mickey was heading until he got to a more remote/darker area and then struck her from the rear.

 

[OceanMetTheSky]

MOO is that the only stalking of Mickey that BSL did was that night in question. I think he happened upon her earlier on in her route, probably took a circuitous route, circling around her, trying to keep tabs on where she was, closing in slowly but surely until he thought he had the right time and the right place. I don't think it's a case of him having stalked her for days, weeks or months, learning her routines. I think BSL is too impulsive for that type of crime.

I'd say he was impulsive too, had he not had women's items. That crosses the impulse line to me. If Claires story is the truth and BSL threatened to burn down her home, to me that's not impulse, but pre thought out. Just like he carefully broke into his 1999 victims home with a knife ready to go if she didn't comply.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he ever saw her before that night. I just think he's definitely not a random impulse guy

 

[cluciano63]

I'd say he was impulsive too, had he not had women's items. That crosses the impulse line to me. If Claires story is the truth and BSL threatened to burn down her home, to me that's not impulse, but pre thought out. Just like he carefully broke into his 1999 victims home with a knife ready to go if she didn't comply.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he ever saw her before that night. I just think he's definitely not a random impulse guy

I think he is a predator; sometimes he focuses his rage/whatever on a specific person and other times, he just sees what he wants and takes it.

 

[KajunBelle]

Do gator bites or scratches look like knife stab wounds?

I'm not sure if this was asked seriously or not, but I try to clarify when something is directed at something I say..
While I have never had the misfortune of being bitten or scratched my a gator, I can only assume no. A bite would be a series of puncture wounds... and I don't think he would have made it to New Orleans for treatment.
The gators typically leave people alone in my experience, buuttttt I still wouldn't want to sleep with one nearby and can't imagine anyone doing so. I just can't see even a homeless person sleeping down there. I didn't even mention the snakes, and Louisiana's state bird- the mosquito. It'd make for a miserable night for sure.

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[reedus23]

Because of the different questions about the 1st degree murder charge, I pulled up the Louisiana statute below. It sets out the various scenarios in which a 1st degree murder charge can be filed.

The part most have been talking about is:

A. First degree murder is the killing of a human being:

(1) When the offender has specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm and is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of aggravated kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, aggravated escape, aggravated arson, aggravated rape, forcible rape, aggravated burglary, armed robbery, assault by drive-by shooting, first degree robbery, second degree robbery, simple robbery, terrorism, cruelty to juveniles, or second degree cruelty to juveniles.

I bolded the section most are talking about. I believe it is Louisiana's version of the felony murder rule which essentially says if you kill someone while in the act of committing another felony (i.e. kidnapping) you can be charged with first degree murder.

However, in reading the statue I found the following sections interesting too:

(3) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon more than one person.

(10) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm and the offender has previously acted with a specific intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm that resulted in the killing of one or more persons.

These sections could also be the reason why BSL is now being charged with LP's death and the decision to try them both together. I have not checked to make sure this is the most up to date statute, but would bet it is.

 

[gkidzla]

Still learning, but to Mrs. A, gators take your whole arm and leg, IMO, if you're lucky!! Those things are mean and their jaws have 2000 lbs. of pressure when they bite. BTW--I hate to say that!! :hills: They can and do eat small animals and are extremely aggressive, especially if provoked!!

IMHO---Too bad I guess BSL didn't take a little slip down the slope in the water..:floorlaugh:


Please God bring Mickey home lease:

 

[reedus23]

http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=78397

Sorry, meant to post the link to the statute too.