GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #5

[Vann]

We agree that LE doesn't seem to use civilian help as much as they should? Right?

Right. :rocker:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Thank you!

There are several links that apply to my post above thread. These articles provide a better summary than what I could. As far as the rest of the information that I talked about, I don't think I could link any of it since it's not MSM.

http://www.wbrz.com/news/ascension-parish-strip-club-ordered-to-close/

http://www.nbc33tv.com/charles-puckett/businessman-fights-to-re-open-strip-club

http://www.wbrz.com/news/two-arrested-host-of-problems-found-at-southern-kumforts/

http://www.wbrz.com/news/wrongful-death-suit-filed-in-strip-club-slaying/

OMG. I think you may have just uncovered the P-H connection.

Oops, sorry. My heart is beating rapidly and I can't see straight if this is what I think it is.

 

[bessie]

Hi..I am new to this website. I live not far from New Orleans and Jaren's story has stuck in my mind since the day she went missing. I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet, if so, forgive me. Is there any possibility that TS could be Addie Hall's older brother that raped her? This was the first thing that popped in my mind when I saw the connection between Addie and TS both being from the same area. Also, it made me think that could have been how TS first made contact with MAS, by playing on her emotions of them both having lost someone "close" to them. JMO of course...:twocents:

Welcome, Fleur de Lis! :seeya:

The question you asked about AH has come up before. I haven't seen documents to absolutely prove or disprove the notion, but I believe a sibling relationship between AH and TS is extremely unlikely. JMO

:welcome5:
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[gngr~snap]

Thank you!

There are several links that apply to my post above thread. These articles provide a better summary than what I could. As far as the rest of the information that I talked about, I don't think I could link any of it since it's not MSM.

http://www.wbrz.com/news/ascension-parish-strip-club-ordered-to-close/

http://www.nbc33tv.com/charles-puckett/businessman-fights-to-re-open-strip-club

http://www.wbrz.com/news/two-arrested-host-of-problems-found-at-southern-kumforts/

http://www.wbrz.com/news/wrongful-death-suit-filed-in-strip-club-slaying/

OMG. I think you may have just uncovered the P-H connection.

Oops, sorry. My heart is beating rapidly and I can't see straight if this is what I think it is.

:waitasec: This can't be pure coincidence can it?
My gut has said all along that somehow Addie Hall's death AND Zach's subsequent suicide was more than just a Marine with "PTSD" going off on a girlfriend... If that were the case...Why would he just stop at one?

If he was so "traumatized" why did Zach act so normal around his friends in the days after he killed Addie?? If he was "off his rocker" did he just turn it on and off???
I need to read a couple of the books I have seen discussed here. I just don't believe anyone knows the WHOLE STORY yet.
Maybe there is a reason no one in and around Bourbon don't speak much about it.

So odd that Addie's side of the story was never really told... No family to speak for her or come forward...

There's some skeleton's in that whole story for sure!
If Addie and Zach's undoing was related to P &H, could more recent deaths under strange circumstances - specifically Jaren's and possibly her friends relate as well?
(since they ALL KNEW MAS)

I wish I knew who the instigator was TS or MAS? Sounds like TS may possibly have some personal ties/knowledge to the Addie-Zach situation too...

obviously he was in prison at the time but that doesn't mean he was never told "things"
maybe it will all come out! i doubt it though!
moo

 

[Vann]

:waitasec: This can't be pure coincidence can it?
My gut has said all along that somehow Addie Hall's death AND Zach's subsequent suicide was more than just a Marine with "PTSD" going off on a girlfriend... If that were the case...Why would he just stop at one?

If he was so "traumatized" why did Zach act so normal around his friends in the days after he killed Addie?? If he was "off his rocker" did he just turn it on and off???
I need to read a couple of the books I have seen discussed here. I just don't believe anyone knows the WHOLE STORY yet.
Maybe there is a reason no one in and around Bourbon don't speak much about it.

So odd that Addie's side of the story was never really told... No family to speak for her or come forward...

There's some skeleton's in that whole story for sure!
If Addie and Zach's undoing was related to P &H, could more recent deaths under strange circumstances - specifically Jaren's and possibly her friends relate as well?
(since they ALL KNEW MAS)

I wish I knew who the instigator was TS or MAS? Sounds like TS may possibly have some personal ties/knowledge to the Addie-Zach situation too...

obviously he was in prison at the time but that doesn't mean he was never told "things"
maybe it will all come out! i doubt it though!
moo

Huh? What connection are y'all talking about? I've missed something.

 

[bessie]

Beginning of the end Even as they were falling apart as a couple, Jones said they faced more stress when they were evicted from the Gov. Nicholls apartment around the time of Bowen's arrest. Hall disappeared permanently from her job at The Spotted Cat around that time.

On Oct. 6, the day after Bowen said he killed Hall, he wrote in his confession that he was "posed with the question of how to dispose of the corpse."
He wrote that he passed out after drinking, then went to work at Matassa's, all day long devising a plan that involved cooking her body.


It was during the days of methodically dismembering her body that Bowen said he decided to kill himself after one final blowout -- "spend the $1,500 I had being happy until I killed myself. So that's what I did: good food, good drugs, good strippers, good friends and any loose ends I may have had. And had a fantastic time living out my days."

http://blog.nola.com/tpcrimearchive/2006/10/katrina_survivalists_descent_i.html

 

[BeginnersLuck]

OMG. I think you may have just uncovered the P-H connection.

Oops, sorry. My heart is beating rapidly and I can't see straight if this is what I think it is.

I honestly don't know what the information is, if anything related. I just found a lot of odd similiarities and instead of continuing to :banghead:, I thought if there was something to it, other WS's might have the missing pieces.

Some of you out there must have seen something in it that I didn't because, I can't figure out who you are referring to as P & H. :floorlaugh:

 

[melwltrs58]

Huh? What connection are y'all talking about? I've missed something.

Yeah, I missed it, too......

 

[Clodumbo]

Hi Vann-
You are correct. When TS and MAS walked into the club there is a mirrored wall, however there is a still photo of MAS that looks like she is talking to someone, besides the girl at the door. I agree, it sure would help if we can actually see the outside video,
but it was dark and you probably can get a better picture inside the club. However, TS with his clown looking hat, would be easy to spot on a camera outside.

I heard that there was a video of JL with TS and MAS in Hancock County, but it is my understanding that this was a false report. I don't think JL would have traveled with them to Mississippi without a fight. I personally think that the crime was committed in Louisiana. I am familiar with the Silver Slipper, and I'm willing to take a look over there. It’s been a few years since I had visited the Silver Slipper. However, judging from the weather pattern during that time, I don’t think it could be possible, but it maybe worth me checking it out for you.

I feel eventually that someone will eventually "sing like a canary" when they are going to be under the influence of alcohol or some substance. I am glad that the F.B.I. is taking over this case. I know from experience that they do a very good job in situations like this. We just have to wait and see. Jaren will get Justice, but I agree with an earlier poster - we need to get the national media more involved. Perhaps contacting NBC’s Dateline with Keith Morrison or CBS’s 48 hours Mystery. We don’t want this to be a cold case. It’s very important that this case is solved for Jaren’s family, because she does deserve justice. I have a niece who is the same age as Jaren. She also has a small child. I take this case very personally. I would do everything to protect my niece from some creeps. I feel like Jaren was part of my family too. That’s why I am determine to help anyway I can. Take care.

 

[melwltrs58]

I honestly don't know what the information is, if anything related. I just found a lot of odd similiarities and instead of continuing to :banghead:, I thought if there was something to it, other WS's might have the missing pieces.

Some of you out there must have seen something in it that I didn't because, I can't figure out who you are referring to as P & H. :floorlaugh:

I can't figure out P & H either.

 

[Vann]

Hi Vann-
You are correct. When TS and MAS walked into the club there is a mirrored wall, however there is a still photo of MAS that looks like she is talking to someone, besides the girl at the door. I agree, it sure would help if we can actually see the outside video,
but it was dark and you probably can get a better picture inside the club. However, TS with his clown looking hat, would be easy to spot on a camera outside.

I heard that there was a video of JL with TS and MAS in Hancock County, but it is my understanding that this was a false report. I don't think JL would have traveled with them to Mississippi without a fight. I personally think that the crime was committed in Louisiana. I am familiar with the Silver Slipper, and I'm willing to take a look over there. It’s been a few years since I had visited the Silver Slipper. However, judging from the weather pattern during that time, I don’t think it could be possible, but it maybe worth me checking it out for you.

I feel eventually that someone will eventually "sing like a canary" when they are going to be under the influence of alcohol or some substance. I am glad that the F.B.I. is taking over this case. I know from experience that they do a very good job in situations like this. We just have to wait and see. Jaren will get Justice, but I agree with an earlier poster - we need to get the national media more involved. Perhaps contacting NBC’s Dateline with Keith Morrison or CBS’s 48 hours Mystery. We don’t want this to be a cold case. It’s very important that this case is solved for Jaren’s family, because she does deserve justice. I have a niece who is the same age as Jaren. She also has a small child. I take this case very personally. I would do everything to protect my niece from some creeps. I feel like Jaren was part of my family too. That’s why I am determine to help anyway I can. Take care.

I was thinking about going to bayou caddy and the rigolets to take some pics to post. I live in the area so I am very familiar with it but I thought it would help other sleuthers get an idea of what us locals are talking about.

I agree that MAS and TS walked into Temptations very leisurely. They definitely knew and were familiar with the people there. I guess that's what makes all this so odd. They could be easily identified by employees and captured on video. Its what makes the "premeditation" thing hard to swallow.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://blog.nola.com/tpcrimearchive/2006/10/katrina_survivalists_descent_i.html

There seems to be no question (to me at least) that ZB killed AH and did the rest of the awful things to her that he confessed to in a note.
I wonder if TCS has any connections to AH. Cousins maybe? Considering Addie's friends and co-workers all say they knew the story that AH's brother raped her, and that event altered her reality for the rest of her life, it would be interesting to know what her family members have to say in response. It's understandable why her brother would want to, and apparently does, hide.

IMO, when something horrendous happens to a family member, and not one relative comes forward to speak on the victim's behalf, something is very wrong. It's not as if Addie was an orphan. Could Addie be TS's mother's sister's daughter? Is it possible that TS sought MAS out as a way to connect to what happened to his sister, I mean, cousin?

There's another RSO in TS's familial line who is older (not certain they're directly related). He's (JP) now listed in Florida but originally from Mt. Airy, whose ears stick out just like in one of TS's pictures only worse. He looks kind of crazy. Maybe he was an influence in little T's life. We all begin life as babies, supposedly sweet and pure (here we get into the study of nature vs. nurture) but we are born with free will too and, I believe shaped to a degree by those around us.

For some reason, I can't shake the idea that, even if not related through relationships, Addie Hall's murder has some influence over TCS. :waitasec:

 

[rhapsdy]

OMG. I think you may have just uncovered the P-H connection.

Oops, sorry. My heart is beating rapidly and I can't see straight if this is what I think it is.

ok forgive me for being dense...but what is the P-H connection? <modsnip>

 

[Okay then]

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/final-witness/375525

ABC, Final Witness Program, episode 'Graveyard Love', on Weds., July 4, at 11:02P et, 10:02P ct.

"A 2005 homicide case is reenacted and told through the victim's point of view.
The case involves a free-spirited young woman who was murdered by her lover in New Orleans."

^^^ This may raise awareness for Jaren, or, derail it. jmo So many FQ dancers missing/dead awk!

 

[Clodumbo]

I was thinking about going to bayou caddy and the rigolets to take some pics to post. I live in the area so I am very familiar with it but I thought it would help other sleuthers get an idea of what us locals are talking about.

I agree that MAS and TS walked into Temptations very leisurely. They definitely knew and were familiar with the people there. I guess that's what makes all this so odd. They could be easily identified by employees and captured on video. Its what makes the "premeditation" thing hard to swallow.

I totally agree, I have access to these areas too, but I have decided not to take pictures. As crazy as this may sound, I even respected MAS privacy by not taking a photo of her home. But, some photos of Bayou Caddy and the Rigolets will be helpful for those who live out of town. I am cool with this idea,
as long as the Moderator is cool with this idea.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't know about a P-H connection. This is referring to the possibility of TS and AH being related in some way. I haven't seen the P and H name in any family history. Maybe someone else has.

I do wonder what brought TS to NOLA. Was it family? A job offer? Did he reconnect with a old jail buddy? I would also like to know what his reasons were for going to PA, CA and any other state he may have lived.

Did his fraudulent activities start after he spent time in prison? If so, maybe he went into business with someone he met while there.

I also wonder if maybe he was a drug runner and that's what took him to so many different places. The bigger guys probably have a name for the guys that are used to run drugs and do other dirty work. I'll just call him a gopher.

Whether he was ever used as a gopher for someone involved in organized crime or not, it is pure speculation on my part.

There is big business in organized crime for drugs, sex and fraud. There may be another organization that was specialized in helping him hide his identity. MOOOO

 

[bessie]

Huh? What connection are y'all talking about? I've missed something.

You haven't missed anything because no connection has been established. BeginnersLuck posted news articles about a Louisiana business owner with legal troubles whose last name happens to be the same as a family name in TS's bloodline, a fairly common southern name, at that. The man owned a strip club in a small town near Baton Rouge, and the club shared a name with one of the Bourbon Street clubs. At this point, that's all there is to it.

 

[bessie]

I totally agree, I have access to these areas too, but I have decided not to take pictures. As crazy as this may sound, I even respected MAS privacy by not taking a photo of her home. But, some photos of Bayou Caddy and the Rigolets will be helpful for those who live out of town. I am cool with this idea,
as long as the Moderator is cool with this idea.

It's perfectly all right to post photos of the landscape. I would have done so myself, but I haven't had a chance to ride over there during daylight hours.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Someone posted that the FBI is leading the investigation. The last time I checked, they were merely processing some of the evidence. Has something changed?

 

[bessie]

I don't recall seeing this posted. A couple of months ago, a dissatisfied patron posted an unflattering review of Temptations. Claims to know one of the dancers. It's the first comment.

https://plus.google.com/110929834349230534567/about?gl=us&hl=en