GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #5

[Vann]

5 weeks ago today JL's torso washed up on the beach in bay st Louis MS
Rest in peace Ms Lockhart

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

I'm not sure if this has been posted already on a previous thread, but here is the link to the Sea Coast Echo newspaper in Bay St. Louis. It is published on Tuesday and Friday of each week.

http://www.seacoastecho.com/news.shtml

There is an interesting timeline of events in the (archives) article "Suspects (MAS and TS) Jailed..." in Jaren's case. You can type in Jaren Lockhart in the archives search to pull up all the related articles.

Yesterday's edition features a story on a recent Meth case involving the sister of a well-known former NFL player. If you search the archives for other Meth cases, you will find that meth arrests have been up along the MS coast in the past year. Just another bit of info that might help connect MAS and TS to the MS coast.

 

[MrsBungi]

Does anyone know if JL spent anytime in Mississippi? Wether it be fishing, trip to the beach, shopping, or events.

I'm hoping by posting these pics someone will recognize the piers in the background?

 

[LadyBug86]

I'm trying to take a step back and think out loud...

First you have TS (a Registered Sex Offender who has been on the run) who has been fired for tampering with video equipment at a strip club on Bourbon.....is it possible that he was beginning the preparations for something at that time and was caught in the process? This makes me stop and go :waitasec: Was this before or after he met MAS? I'm not sure I'm going to sleuth.....

JMO I think the evidence he was tampering with had to do with him (TS) trying to hide the fact that he pocketed $ by probably trying to destroy the evidence such as maybe trying to delete it off the video or maybe he just tried to get that video in his hands or maybe he was caught trying to destroy the video....

But It could be that he went into the office where the videos are collected,stored, processed or whatever and the thought may have crossed his mind to tamper with the video angles or what-not BC lets face it...he is a criminal and that means he is always thinking like a criminal...

Makes you wonder since he was a sex offender what he was thinking of doing to those cameras in order to possibly successfully pull off some kind of sex offense in order to better his chances getting away with a sick attack...JMO

Glad you thought of this tho as I never put toooooo much thought into the whole idea till now! but now that I'm really thinking about it...can someone clarify

I think where TS was caught tampering with the videos was in fact the club next door and not the club in which Jaren was working the night in question.....right?? So if im right the whole theory there was some premeditation in that is out the window...

But that's not to say he had intended on putting together some sick crime at that club!!:twocents::twocents:

 

[LadyBug86]

I personally know MS's mother, and her siblings. Her mother is of course beside herself about all of this. She loves her daughter and never in her years of raising MS did she like any other mother guess her child would be in this kind of trouble. Her siblings are successful young adults and MS's mother hoped and prayed for the same for MS. Parents do the best they can for their children and raise them in a well balanced household and there comes a time when the child becomes their own person. Who they become sometimes doesn't and shouldn't be a reflection of their family. I'm sure her family are there for MS but not so as to bring attention to the family. Remember MS has 2 children who also didn't ask or shouldn't be part of all the attention on this unspeakable crime. the time will come where this will touch their lives but I think the family is trying to protect them for as long as possible, these children need a health future no matter who their mother happens to be. IMO

I just wanted to take the time to tell you how nicely written this was!!
Two parts in particular were what stuck out to me the most and that was where you said


[B]"Parents do the best they can for their children and raise them in a well balanced household and there comes a time when the child becomes their own person. Who they become sometimes doesn't and shouldn't be a reflection of their family."[/B]

and of course


"MS has 2 children who also didn't ask or shouldn't be part of all the attention on this unspeakable crime. the time will come where this will touch their lives but I think the family is trying to protect them for as long as possible, these children need a health future no matter who their mother happens to be.".

I really couldn't agree with you more!!
Everything stated here is so true!!
There are ALWAYS innocent victims on BOTH sides of a crime!
The one whom ALWAYS suffer most are the children on the perp's side as well as the actual victim of the crimes side and any children involved...

I feel so bad for Jaren's family as well as her daughter and I feel equally as bad for MAS's family and her two children because all were innocent victims of a violent and uncalled for act of hate!!

The children will grow up without a parent (one will never ever see her mother again) (two will never get the chance at having their mother raise them in a proper loving home! and if/when she is convicted they will ofter wonder why and have mixed feelings...feelings no child should have to grow up with constantly turning wheels in their head about their own mother...the one who ultimately gave them life ...and how in the world can they process the fact that the one who gave them life in the end is one whom took a life!)

I'd imagine for any child no matter what their age the thought would haunt their mind for all eternity and it would seem IMO that they were wrestling with the fact that here is a person they love or once loved whom gave them the most precious gift, THE GIFT OF LIFE....
And suddenly this person is also the violent attacker of an innocent individual whom never did anything wrong...now their mother is suspect of taking away that same precious gift she once gave them from Jaren!

I just cant wrap my head around how hard and traumatizing this must be for any child!!

Also I don't want to seem biased to one side or the other I feel just as horrible for Jaren's sweet little girl who will never ever see her mother smile just for one more time or never will she be there again to play with her at the beach again...to throw her into the air and catch her all the while laughing and enjoying the simple things in life as we have seen in pictures of Jaren and her daughter.... I feel that baby girl was ROBBED of a lifetime of wonderful memories with her mother!!

It's truly a sad story for all the innocent family members on both sides!!

 

[friendofthecourt]

I was also affected by Involved's statement about MS family. I have a sibling who displays many of the characteristics of MS. This family member made terrible choices in her life and spent 10 years on probation for harming a 13 year old child who she thought had called her daughter a name. This was an impulsive act, one of many, that has made her life rather tragic, though not as tragic as MS. Growing up with this disturbed, enigmatic, troubled soul is what led me to study psychology extensively. One theory is that the "black sheep" or most dysfunctional family member embodies and plays out all the tension and conflict in the family. Their role is for the family to focus on them which brings about cohesion in an otherwise chaotic and conflicted family.
I didn't buy this theory 100% in my family. My parents noticed something wrong with my sibling at age 2. I think there is something a little different about my sibling's brain, a lack of insight, some might call it a lack of conscience. She could still raise her kids (at least raise them until they were teens and no longer cute, or maybe she just took their defiance and rebellion personally) and she could hold a job...she just wasn't all there somehow. MS blog entry is particularly telling in her alienation from her family due to expectations of her that she couldn't meet. My point is that people like MS and my sibling know there's something wrong with them, their family does also, and they just don't know what. Hope this helps.

 

[LadyBug86]

Given the fact that MAS knew the details of AH's murder and drew from that knowledge for dismembering JL, here are my thoughts.....

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't ZB dismember AH in the bathtub?
If MAS used one aspect of the ZB/AH crime it's not to far of a stretch for her to use other aspects of that same crime.
I'm starting to think that MAS and TS brought JL to the house in Kenner. I now think she was killed there and dismembered in the bathtub (like AH). Easy clean up because it's a contained location with access to water to wash blood away. This scenereo makes sense to me because they needed time and privacy to pull this off. To transport the body, they may have used a large plastic tote, ice chest or garbage bags. I think they then drove to the rigolets or ms coast to dispose of JL' body.
All will be revealed once forensic tests come back on the Kenner house.

I have thrown this thought around for a while now too! But it just seems like LE would have found SOMETHING that would have kept them in that house for a longer time period ,to me anyway, on the day they roped off the house!

But also I have wondered and maybe someone can clarify....If they were all at that house...I know it would have been wee hr.s of the morning so most would still be sleeping in that neighborhood, but it would seem to me someone could have seen them there or their car there in the driveway or what not....

Have there been any reports of them being at the home during the hr.s immediately after they were all three seen leaving the club?? BC correct me if I'm wrong but it seems as though if she were dismembered in the bathtub of the kenner home they would have had to have gone to that house first....

To me it just doesn't jive (but I'm so unsure at this point it's all so confusing) with the blood that seems Jaren would have lost from the stab wound...it seem being the fighter that LL said she was she would have been fighting for her life which in turn would have created a mess of blood in that house....

Unless if they drugged her and she was passed out and stabbed in the bathtub....I just wonder tho if she was in that state how MAS and TS managed to get her out of the car in that neighborhood witout anyone seeing them carry her....unless they pulled it into the garage....(That is speculation all speculation but much of all the things I have been thinking about!!)

I guess I am rushing to judgement here but IMO and IMOO It just doesn't seem that LE found much in that Kenner home!!

What do you guys think??
I guess one reason I think this way is because looking a the MS case and I haven't been following that case much so forgive me if I am way wrong..but in from what I have gathered just from overhearing the news as I walked into the room was

The suspect in the MS case was arrested not long after the search of his home?? and they arrested him and are charging him with her murder and (like I said I haven't really been following this case at all...so I'm just going off of the local news stories I have been catching here and there so please don't quote me on any of this!!) but they still haven't recovered her body yet??Correct?? Last I heard they were checking some shallow graves that later turned up nothing of evident value???

So I guess if I am correct in the above statement it leads me to believe that if the Kenner home would have had anything like the home in MS's case there would have been at the least talk of them (MAS & TS) being charged with Jaren's murder....RIGHT??

Just thinking out loud with the rest of you here!!!
Any input is greatly appreciated!!

:rollercoaster: of emotions and a :rollercoaster: of ideas and thoughts of just what happened and why!!

 

[Vann]

Does anyone know if JL spent anytime in Mississippi? Wether it be fishing, trip to the beach, shopping, or events.

I'm hoping by posting these pics someone will recognize the piers in the background?

"JUSTTHEFACTSMAM" might be able to help answer that question.

 

[Involved]

Does anyone know if JL spent anytime in Mississippi? Wether it be fishing, trip to the beach, shopping, or events.

I'm hoping by posting these pics someone will recognize the piers in the background?

She had many friends in Ms one HM has also died in a questionable manner. I can't help but think there is a connection between the two places, many dancers are from both places plus many are also from the Northshore area. I do know MS and JL were friends and JL visited MS's home on many occasions, hope this info is useful to the LE

 

[Vann]

She had many friends in Ms one HM has also died in a questionable manner. I can't help but think there is a connection between the two places, many dancers are from both places plus many are also from the Northshore area. I do know MS and JL were friends and JL visited MS's home on many occasions, hope this info is useful to the LE

I hadn't seen any reports that " JL visited MAS's home on many occasions ". Do you have a link for that?

 

[friendofthecourt]

Not to answer for Involved, but she mentioned in a previous post that she is friends with MS mother so she has an inside scoop.

 

[friendofthecourt]

I have thrown this thought around for a while now too! But it just seems like LE would have found SOMETHING that would have kept them in that house for a longer time period ,to me anyway, on the day they roped off the house!

But also I have wondered and maybe someone can clarify....If they were all at that house...I know it would have been wee hr.s of the morning so most would still be sleeping in that neighborhood, but it would seem to me someone could have seen them there or their car there in the driveway or what not....

Have there been any reports of them being at the home during the hr.s immediately after they were all three seen leaving the club?? BC correct me if I'm wrong but it seems as though if she were dismembered in the bathtub of the kenner home they would have had to have gone to that house first....

To me it just doesn't jive (but I'm so unsure at this point it's all so confusing) with the blood that seems Jaren would have lost from the stab wound...it seem being the fighter that LL said she was she would have been fighting for her life which in turn would have created a mess of blood in that house....

Unless if they drugged her and she was passed out and stabbed in the bathtub....I just wonder tho if she was in that state how MAS and TS managed to get her out of the car in that neighborhood witout anyone seeing them carry her....unless they pulled it into the garage....(That is speculation all speculation but much of all the things I have been thinking about!!)

I guess I am rushing to judgement here but IMO and IMOO It just doesn't seem that LE found much in that Kenner home!!

What do you guys think??
I guess one reason I think this way is because looking a the MS case and I haven't been following that case much so forgive me if I am way wrong..but in from what I have gathered just from overhearing the news as I walked into the room was

The suspect in the MS case was arrested not long after the search of his home?? and they arrested him and are charging him with her murder and (like I said I haven't really been following this case at all...so I'm just going off of the local news stories I have been catching here and there so please don't quote me on any of this!!) but they still haven't recovered her body yet??Correct?? Last I heard they were checking some shallow graves that later turned up nothing of evident value???

So I guess if I am correct in the above statement it leads me to believe that if the Kenner home would have had anything like the home in MS's case there would have been at the least talk of them (MAS & TS) being charged with Jaren's murder....RIGHT??

Just thinking out loud with the rest of you here!!!
Any input is greatly appreciated!!

:rollercoaster: of emotions and a :rollercoaster: of ideas and thoughts of just what happened and why!!

If LE on that day consisted only of the Kenner police, then I'm sorry, I would place no faith in their ability to carry out a detailed crime scene investigation. Hopefully since there were several jurisdictions involved, the FBI was there.

 

[Vann]

Not to answer for Involved, but she mentioned in a previous post that she is friends with MS mother so she has an inside scoop.

Oh ok. It was said that MS was the black sheep of the family. I just assumed that her mother didn't know certain aspects of her personal life like her friends or acquaintances. I was under the impression that MAS and TS lived in the kenner house alone. I didnt realize that MAS was close to or shared info with her mother.

 

[2LuckyDogs]

She had many friends in Ms one HM has also died in a questionable manner. I can't help but think there is a connection between the two places, many dancers are from both places plus many are also from the Northshore area. I do know MS and JL were friends and JL visited MS's home on many occasions, hope this info is useful to the LE

Maybe its just the frame of mind I am in right now but IMO a defense attorney would have a field day knowing that JL visited MS's house on many occasions to plant the seed of reasonable doubt. I also wonder would this be before JLs car broke or after. I always got the impression that whenever JL was off work she wanted to spend time with her family and little girl. Maybe I will read this later and see it from a different stand point. Please forgive me if I sound defensive, it just struck me oddly..........

 

[MrsBungi]

She had many friends in Ms one HM has also died in a questionable manner. I can't help but think there is a connection between the two places, many dancers are from both places plus many are also from the Northshore area. I do know MS and JL were friends and JL visited MS's home on many occasions, hope this info is useful to the LE

BBM

Ok PLEASE tell me if I'm getting this right......Margaret Sanchez and Jaren Lockhart were "friends"??

Jaren had actually spent time at the house in Kenner BEFORE she was murdered!?!?!

I keep rereading Involved post to make sure I'm not losing it here!

hwow: :what: :worms: :waitasec:

 

[Vann]

Maybe its just the frame of mind I am in right now but IMO a defense attorney would have a field day knowing that JL visited MS's house on many occasions to plant the seed of reasonable doubt. I also wonder would this be before JLs car broke or after. I always got the impression that whenever JL was off work she wanted to spend time with her family and little girl. Maybe I will read this later and see it from a different stand point. Please forgive me if I sound defensive, it just struck me oddly..........

Struck me odd also. I'm sure JL's boyfriend and family might claim differently. It was always my understanding that spending time with her family was how she spent her free time.

 

[Vann]

BBM

Ok PLEASE tell me if I'm getting this right......Margaret Sanchez and Jaren Lockhart were "friends"??

Jaren had actually spent time at the house in Kenner BEFORE she was murdered!?!?!

I keep rereading Involved post to make sure I'm not losing it here!

hwow: :what: :worms: :waitasec:

I think "friends" is stretching it. They knew each other from working in the FQ. But so do the hundreds of other people that work out there. The degree to which they knew each other IMO is exaggerated.

 

[bessie]

If LE on that day consisted only of the Kenner police, then I'm sorry, I would place no faith in their ability to carry out a detailed crime scene investigation. Hopefully since there were several jurisdictions involved, the FBI was there.

The FBI/New Orleans Violent Crimes Task Force was indeed involved in the search of the Kenner home.

“The FBI Violent Crimes Task Force was conducting the process primarily. We were just assisting,” Bass said of the search.

http://theadvocate.com/news/3100244-123/no-extradition-request-filed

The FBI, the Hancock County Sheriff's Office and the Kenner Police Department were among the law enforcement agencies that searched the inside of the home and the backyard. They also brought in dogs with the Louisiana K-9 Search and Rescue Unit.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/18781253/police-search-k

I don't remember hearing that JL visited MAS's house, but I've had the impression all along that they were "friends", or at least hung around with the same crowd. I'll dig around the previous threads and try to locate a source.

 

[friendofthecourt]

I think TS and MS were approaching only friends and acquaintances that night. I think it would be doubly difficult to convince a virtual stranger to go somewhere with you ....oh I dunno, whatamisaying it happens all the time. But when you look at and compare the Charles Atwood/Patricia Biehner case of 2003 with the method used in this case (TS and MS) it is quite similar and in both cases, they were targeting acquaintances or at least friends of friends. PB actually brought a former lover home to be murdered. And at the risk of repeating myself, the FQ community appears to be one in which everyone knows or is acquainted with everyone.

 

[2LuckyDogs]

Struck me odd also. I'm sure JL's boyfriend and family might claim differently. It was always my understanding that spending time with her family was how she spent her free time.

I am not getting how it would help LE? When MAS's neighbors were interviewed by the news media, I don't recall any of them stating MAS and TS having frequent visitors. I got the impression they slept all day as they were night owls. IMO, I just can't see JL spending her day off in the company of MAS or for that matter anyone else by her family and little girl.