GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #6

[Clodumbo]

A posting from Vann on July 17, 2012

Ok, bare with me on this.....
Jarens torso was found on the beach at the end of Bay Oaks Dr, bay st. Louis (note- Bay Oaks Dr is within feet of Waveland city limits).
Two leg parts were found in Pass Christian ( other side of bay bridge). Her head, leg part and clothes were found in Long Beach.

The winds blew from the west then and the gulf waters enter and exit the actual "bay" in Bay St Louis as the tide rises and falls. I would think that it would be more likely than not that the above mentioned remains would naturally flow into the bay (assuming torso washed up first). If you look at the coast line, the other found body parts totally skipped the opening to the bay. I find this strange.

Sorry if this is confusing. Does anyone get my train of thought on this? It's been in the back of my brain since the beginning. Input anyone? Is it possible that there was more than one dump site? Scattered intentionally?

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Yes Vann, it is very possible! I think you were definitely on to something back in 2012. I would make perfect sense to scatter the body parts to confuse the investigators.

- Clodumbo

 

[Donamena]

I have something I want to post that indirectly relates to Jaren's murder, but I don't want to post it here, so I've sent a pm to Bessie to see whether it belongs in the Jury Room or the Parking Lot. Bear with me, it is odd.

 

[Vann]

A posting from Vann on July 17, 2012

Ok, bare with me on this.....
Jarens torso was found on the beach at the end of Bay Oaks Dr, bay st. Louis (note- Bay Oaks Dr is within feet of Waveland city limits).
Two leg parts were found in Pass Christian ( other side of bay bridge). Her head, leg part and clothes were found in Long Beach.

The winds blew from the west then and the gulf waters enter and exit the actual "bay" in Bay St Louis as the tide rises and falls. I would think that it would be more likely than not that the above mentioned remains would naturally flow into the bay (assuming torso washed up first). If you look at the coast line, the other found body parts totally skipped the opening to the bay. I find this strange.



Sorry if this is confusing. Does anyone get my train of thought on this? It's been in the back of my brain since the beginning. Input anyone? Is it possible that there was more than one dump site? Scattered intentionally?

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Yes Vann, it is very possible! I think you were definitely on to something back in 2012. I would make perfect sense to scatter the body parts to confuse the investigators.

- Clodumbo

Yes yes yes.....finally someone sees what I see. It seems impossible that the other body parts totally skipped the entire length of the bay opening. I find it more plausible that the torso was dumped from a pier in waveland and the other body parts dumped or scattered from the Pass and beyond. My gut tells me Henderson Point only because I live here and know how secluded it is back there. I really want to take video of that area and post it here but have no idea how to do that.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

It looks like the same lip ring - is this a common type/style that everyone has?

Thanks for posting these pictures!

Very common. I have an identical one in my lip.

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[melwltrs58]

Found this so interesting- "Most of the things you heard, where the body parts were, the tattoos, that's stuff we intentionally kept from the media, so we knew when someone came forward they were accurate," Grannan said. "Whether they were actually getting information from the source, from Speaks or Sanchez and not just reading it in the news."

That's incredible that they were able to keep it from MSM as long as they have. If the Hancock LE was as inept as some have tried to make them look, somebody would have leaked more info before TS himself did. I think Grannan and Saucier have done the best that they could considering the amount of hush from those acquainted with Jaren and the French Quarter club scene. Grannan makes it sound like Kenner LE has stolen much of the credit.:moo:

I am so glad that picture of Jaren and her daughter with the pier in the background keeps resurfacing. As a mom, I found it so touching. I wish LE would shed some light on which pier that is and how often Jaren and even MAS and TS had been to the coast in that year before her death.

I'm pretty sure that is the Long Beach Pier.

 

[dafffylexer]

Yes yes yes.....finally someone sees what I see. It seems impossible that the other body parts totally skipped the entire length of the bay opening. I find it more plausible that the torso was dumped from a pier in waveland and the other body parts dumped or scattered from the Pass and beyond. My gut tells me Henderson Point only because I live here and know how secluded it is back there. I really want to take video of that area and post it here but have no idea how to do that.

This is my first time posting, but I've been following this forum since Jaren's death.

I have to say I agree with you on the Henderson Point location for a second spot to dispose of the body. There are so many secluded places that a body could be dumped (I keep thinking of the playground under the bridge, although I think the parking area is lit up at night). Personally, I think they put her body in a two garbage bags. Not to sound cold or heartless, but MS and TS had to have transported Jaren's body in something. I'm leaning more towards garbage bags over coolers, maybe or maybe not weighted down. They then could have driven first to one of the BSL piers and then to Henderson Point and thrown the bags into the water at each location. I think the bags ripped open and the parts then washed ashore, the torso in BSL and the rest in PC. If you consider where the limbs and head were found (1.4 mile stretch in front of Walmart) it seems pretty obvious all that was disposed of in one container. Still, if it was confirmed later on that there was only one drop point, I'd still put bets on Henderson Point. Dark, not overly populated, easy to get to from the bridge, lots of little places to stay under the cover of darkness.

 

[Donamena]

I don't know how to do the dancing thingys but WELCOME DAFFYLEXER!!!!

Dance, dance, dance

 

[Vann]

:thewave::Welcome1:

 

[SwampMama]

I am just not getting the " cut up to remove identifying tattoos" part of the story. LE usually identifies bodies by DNA, not tattoos. Sure tattoos can help ID a body quicker but cutting out tattoos to prevent identification is just stupid. Surely nobody honestly thinks that will keep LE from identifying a body.

There is a more sinister reason for the cutting up of the body. We see TS's prior interest in dismembering from his "Leslie Rice" alias.

 

[Donamena]

I am just not getting the " cut up to remove identifying tattoos" part of the story. LE usually identifies bodies by DNA, not tattoos. Sure tattoos can help ID a body quicker but cutting out tattoos to prevent identification is just stupid. Surely nobody honestly thinks that will keep LE from identifying a body.

There is a more sinister reason for the cutting up of the body. We see TS's prior interest in dismembering from his "Leslie Rice" alias.

Keep going SwampMama you're in the right swamp. Add Addie Hall & some pre-Katrina horror & the pirogue is right there.

 

[MrsBungi]

I am just not getting the " cut up to remove identifying tattoos" part of the story. LE usually identifies bodies by DNA, not tattoos. Sure tattoos can help ID a body quicker but cutting out tattoos to prevent identification is just stupid. Surely nobody honestly thinks that will keep LE from identifying a body.

There is a more sinister reason for the cutting up of the body. We see TS's prior interest in dismembering from his "Leslie Rice" alias.

Good point! IIRC her torso had tattoos intact. And if they removed tattoos to prevent identification why were tattoos left on her torso? Did they just remove certain ones?

 

[75Scout]

Ok so I knew about some of the tattoos being removed back in 2012 but couldn't say anything (family member works in local media and has reliable LE source that told with caveat that it not be made public). That said, the info I was given was that only certain ones were removed, but that they were skillfully removed, as in not hacked off, but only went through enough layers of skin to remove the tattoos without actually cutting all the way to the flesh. As such, LE was considering profiling killer as someone with a medical background, and was questioning whether TS or MAS could have even been capable of that kind of skill. My guess is that it was TS, based on his, albeit limited, medical training.

 

[SwampMama]

I would also like to know the circumstances that MAS and TS met under. Is it possible that they connected online in some sicko website featuring perversion such as dismemberment? Or did they randomly meet in the quarter and form a sick bond when they realized they were both into the same sick things?

I will be curious to see what LE finds on MAS computer and what types of websites she frequented.

 

[MrsBungi]

If DA charges isn't there some kinda public documents we have access to?
Please forgive me I'm still pretty new at this.

 

[Vann]

Ok so I knew about some of the tattoos being removed back in 2012 but couldn't say anything (family member works in local media and has reliable LE source that told with caveat that it not be made public). That said, the info I was given was that only certain ones were removed, but that they were skillfully removed, as in not hacked off, but only went through enough layers of skin to remove the tattoos without actually cutting all the way to the flesh. As such, LE was considering profiling killer as someone with a medical background, and was questioning whether TS or MAS could have even been capable of that kind of skill. My guess is that it was TS, based on his, albeit limited, medical training.

:sick:
So sadistic. One would think that if the murder was an accident then they would be in a rush to get rid of the body. To methodically remove only certain tattoos tells me this has traveled to a very dark side. They sell lots of voodoo dolls in the quarter but makes one wonder what really lurks there.

 

[Donamena]

:sick:
So sadistic. One would think that if the murder was an accident then they would be in a rush to get rid of the body. To methodically remove only certain tattoos tells me this has traveled to a very dark side. They sell lots of voodoo dolls in the quarter but makes one wonder what really lurks there.

Keep going

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

Ok so I knew about some of the tattoos being removed back in 2012 but couldn't say anything (family member works in local media and has reliable LE source that told with caveat that it not be made public). That said, the info I was given was that only certain ones were removed, but that they were skillfully removed, as in not hacked off, but only went through enough layers of skin to remove the tattoos without actually cutting all the way to the flesh. As such, LE was considering profiling killer as someone with a medical background, and was questioning whether TS or MAS could have even been capable of that kind of skill. My guess is that it was TS, based on his, albeit limited, medical training.

I also remember that MAS had listed nurse's aide/assistant on one of her social pages. I think she also went to beauty school-IIRC. I'm sure both of those would offer some kind of training that could have been used in this gruesome crime that took Jaren's life.

 

[Jessen]

great sleuthing for those of you looking up MAS jewelry and Jaren's. Even if it is a common ring, like it was said higher, it is still veeeery interesting!

 

[reedus23]

I am just not getting the " cut up to remove identifying tattoos" part of the story. LE usually identifies bodies by DNA, not tattoos. Sure tattoos can help ID a body quicker but cutting out tattoos to prevent identification is just stupid. Surely nobody honestly thinks that will keep LE from identifying a body.

There is a more sinister reason for the cutting up of the body. We see TS's prior interest in dismembering from his "Leslie Rice" alias.

I'm not saying there aren't also darker reasons, but also don't apply normal logic to the acts of a psychopath. I don't know that the thought process is to prevent identification forever, but to delay it long enough to put more time between the act and identification. Gives more time to get back to "normalcy" and develop alibis.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I cannot begin to tell y'all how happy I am to hear the news. Good job LE!