GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #6

[reedus23]

Bessie, you hit on something earlier, that has always left me wondering, namely the taped off back yard. I've always wondered why it was taped off as it was. I can't imagine anything of significance happening outside for fear of being seen, but it certainly seems something gave LE reason to do so. Signs of a struggle? Weapon of some kind? Blood droplets? Any thoughts? I guess it could be anything but it has always stuck out to me for whatever reason.

 

[bessie]

Bessie, you hit on something earlier, that has always left me wondering, namely the taped off back yard. I've always wondered why it was taped off as it was. I can't imagine anything of significance happening outside for fear of being seen, but it certainly seems something gave LE reason to do so. Signs of a struggle? Weapon of some kind? Blood droplets? Any thoughts? I guess it could be anything but it has always stuck out to me for whatever reason.

MAS's house was on Connecticut Ave. To the west, the street which runs behind the house is Colorado Ave. There are no buildings in the 2000 block of Colorado Ave. The entire block is an open field with the street running down the center. LEO's were seen spread out, walking the field. In itself, that doesn't mean much because an area like that would be searched as a matter of routine. I can't find the video now which showed the HRD dogs in the field, but we saw them in the live feed. I have a feeling they hit on something back there. In any case, a section directly behind the house was eventually roped off.

The backyard is concealed from view on the sides by high wooden fencing. I tried to zoom in close enough to see if the fence runs along the back of the property, but the trees are in the way. Judging by the age and condition of the house, and the thickness of the trees, if there is a fence, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's missing some boards. So, from what I can tell, the backyard provides a good deal of privacy. If one knew his/her neighbors worked during the day, or waited until nightfall, one could probably dismember a body in the backyard and no one would know. Likewise, if one wanted to remove something from the house but didn't want the neighbors to see, one could drive around the block and load the car from behind the house. JMO

ETA: Also wanted to mention the garage. More privacy. In the google view, you can see a hose lying the grass. The garage and/or the backyard could've been hosed down with bleach. Also, it rained practically every day during the period of June 5-12.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMSY/2012/6/5/MonthlyHistory.html

Here, a detective seems interested in a particular spot of grass. Behind him, on the other side of the trees, is the backyard.

I've attached additional images. 1. A Google satellite overhead view. MAS' house is in the center. 2. Facing front of 2029 Connecticut Ave. 3. View from the rear on Colorado Ave. 4. LE canvassing the open field. 5. Roped off section directly behind the house.

MAP

Photos from WWL-TV
22 second raw video from WDSU-TV
WDSU-TV video report of Kenner house search
https://twitter.com/JhollyW/status/213032273937838080

 

[reedus23]

MAS's house was on Connecticut Ave. To the west, the street which runs behind the house is Colorado Ave. There are no buildings in the 2000 block of Colorado Ave. The entire block is an open field with the street running down the center. LEO's were seen spread out, walking the field. In itself, that doesn't mean much because an area like that would be searched as a matter of routine. I can't find the video now which showed the HRD dogs in the field, but we saw them in the live feed. I have a feeling they hit on something back there. In any case, a section directly behind the house was eventually roped off.

The backyard is concealed from view on the sides by high wooden fencing. I tried to zoom in close enough to see if the fence runs along the back of the property, but the trees are in the way. Judging by the age and condition of the house, and the thickness of the trees, if there is a fence, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's missing some boards. So, from what I can tell, the backyard provides a good deal of privacy. If one knew his/her neighbors worked during the day, or waited until nightfall, one could probably dismember a body in the backyard and no one would know. Likewise, if one wanted to remove something from the house but didn't want the neighbors to see, one could drive around the block and load the car from behind the house. JMO

ETA: Also wanted to mention the garage. More privacy. In the google view, you can see a hose lying the grass. The garage and/or the backyard could've been hosed down with bleach. Also, it rained practically every day during the period of June 5-12.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMSY/2012/6/5/MonthlyHistory.html

Here, a detective seems interested in a particular spot of grass. Behind him, on the other side of the trees, is the backyard.

I've attached additional images. 1. A Google satellite overhead view. MAS' house is in the center. 2. Facing front of 2029 Connecticut Ave. 3. View from the rear on Colorado Ave. 4. LE canvassing the open field. 5. Roped off section directly behind the house.

MAP

Photos from WWL-TV
22 second raw video from WDSU-TV
WDSU-TV video report of Kenner house search
https://twitter.com/JhollyW/status/213032273937838080

Thanks for the pictures and map. I don't know if it's true north, but north as I'm looking on the map, I think I can see what is the fence almost in line with where the shed is on the neighbor's property, if that makes sense. No idea on the "southern" property line of her house. Just way too many trees.

The thing that gets me, though, unless I'm looking at the pictures wrong, is that the area taped off is beyond what I would presume is her property line and certainly beyond the tree line. I just always wondered why out beyond the safety of cover? Possibly the dogs hit on something like you said. Psychopaths do unexplainable things, but if anything was done at that house, I just can't imagine what it would be where you would get out beyond the cover of those trees. If any dismembering occurred, I wouldn't picture it out beyond the trees. If they're stupid enough to toss a weapon there, again I can't imagine it being out beyond those trees. Just have always been curious as to what it is that happened beyond the trees that ultimately led to a search. Maybe it's nothing and LE was just being thorough.

 

[bessie]

Thanks for the pictures and map. I don't know if it's true north, but north as I'm looking on the map, I think I can see what is the fence almost in line with where the shed is on the neighbor's property, if that makes sense. No idea on the "southern" property line of her house. Just way too many trees.

The thing that gets me, though, unless I'm looking at the pictures wrong, is that the area taped off is beyond what I would presume is her property line and certainly beyond the tree line. I just always wondered why out beyond the safety of cover? Possibly the dogs hit on something like you said. Psychopaths do unexplainable things, but if anything was done at that house, I just can't imagine what it would be where you would get out beyond the cover of those trees. If any dismembering occurred, I wouldn't picture it out beyond the trees. If they're stupid enough to toss a weapon there, again I can't imagine it being out beyond those trees. Just have always been curious as to what it is that happened beyond the trees that ultimately led to a search. Maybe it's nothing and LE was just being thorough.

You're right. The taped off area is across the property line, behind the backyard. There is a lot of privacy beyond those trees because the street behind them is empty, no buildings, and no reason for anyone to drive down that street. The only thing I've come up with is moving something to the car that they didn't want to carry out through the front door.

ETA: I added another image to show the entire stretch of Colorado Ave is deserted. The red box is the area that was taped off. There's a dirt road along the canal at the south end (left in the picture). The collision center is a block and a half to the north. The building above and slightly to the right, which is actually west, is a warehouse. The entrance faces Airport Rd. There is no reason for anyone to drive down Colorado. I don't know, but it seems if you wanted to get rid of a mess without dragging it through your house, that would be the way to do it. JMO

 

[reedus23]

You're right. The taped off area is across the property line, behind the backyard. There is a lot of privacy beyond those trees because the street behind them is empty, no buildings, and no reason for anyone to drive down that street. The only thing I've come up with is moving something to the car that they didn't want to carry out through the front door.

ETA: I added another image to show the entire stretch of Colorado Ave is deserted. The red box is the area that was taped off. There's a dirt road along the canal at the south end (left in the picture). The collision center is a block and a half to the north. The building above and slightly to the right, which is actually west, is a warehouse. The entrance faces Airport Rd. There is no reason for anyone to drive down Colorado. I don't know, but it seems if you wanted to get rid of a mess without dragging it through your house, that would be the way to do it. JMO

I see what you're saying. You're right, there really is no reason to be driving that portion of Colorado. So I could see using that street as opposed to driving up your own street that has neighbors, even if to pull into the garage. Pulling up to the garage might allow a neighbor to testify that they saw them pull up at a certain time. By using Colorado, they could potentially avoid anyone being able to place them anywhere after they left the bars.

 

[reedus23]

Switching to google earth, I was able to clearly see there is a fence that goes all the way back along the right side of the house as you're looking at it from the street. Another thing I noticed is that it almost appears at times vehicles have driven off of Colorado, up along that treeline, around those stand alone trees and then back to Colorado. Maybe it's possible they actually drove right up to that treeline, though I'd think they would have taped off a larger section if that were the case. Not sure if that makes sense.

 

[bessie]

I see what you're saying. You're right, there really is no reason to be driving that portion of Colorado. So I could see using that street as opposed to driving up your own street that has neighbors, even if to pull into the garage. Pulling up to the garage might allow a neighbor to testify that they saw them pull up at a certain time. By using Colorado, they could potentially avoid anyone being able to place them anywhere after they left the bars.

Yes, that's a possibility if JL died elsewhere, and they were left with the dilemma of hiding her body. It also works if the whole thing was planned. In either case, they would be in stealth mode arriving to the house. And yes, you can see tire tracks in the google overhead view. I just wish I could see an overhead from June 12, 2012.

If they just went to the house to ahem...party, and JL's death was unexpected, they wouldn't have worried about covering their tracks until they had to make an exit. Then they'd be worried about neighbors seeing them carrying things to the car. I have a feeling the garage door doesn't open. If not, they'd either have to carry things through the house and out the front door, or from the backyard through the gate on the left as you're facing the house. I think I like options 1 and 2 better.

 

[reedus23]

Yes, that's a possibility if JL died elsewhere, and they were left with the dilemma of hiding her body. It also works if the whole thing was planned. In either case, they would be in stealth mode arriving to the house. And yes, you can see tire tracks in the google overhead view. I just wish I could see an overhead from June 12, 2012.

If they just went to the house to ahem...party, and JL's death was unexpected, they wouldn't have worried about covering their tracks until they had to make an exit. Then they'd be worried about neighbors seeing them carrying things to the car. I have a feeling the garage door doesn't open. If not, they'd either have to carry things through the house and out the front door, or from the backyard through the gate on the left as you're facing the house. I think I like options 1 and 2 better.

Yeah, my thoughts were if they were at the house partying or whatever and something happened, the front of the house is pretty exposed. Assuming the garage door doesn't open, I don't think they'd risk carrying anything/anyone out the front door nor through that front gate on the left to get to the car. My thoughts were they might have then pulled the car around to Colorado, off the street up to the tree line, carried what they had to carry out to the car that way. There'd be less of a chance of being seen. That all assumes there is a back door to the house, which I would assume there is.

 

[ktgirl]

IF we think Jaren died at the Kenner house, why do we think MAS & TS would have brought her body out to the Mississippi coast to put it out to sea? Seems to me there are plenty of places much closer to the Kenner house where one could put a body in water, such as Lake Pontchartrain, Bayou Piquant, Lake Maurepas, and any of the bayous and little lakes around where I-10 heads towards I-55 or near the spillway on Hwy 61.

I just find it weird that IF Jaren was killed at the Kenner house, that MAS & TS (who have no connections to the Mississippi Gulf Coast area that I know of) would drive to the area where Jaren's family lives around Bay St Louis and put her body out to sea there. Did Jaren mention her family was there and they thought dumping her there would make it look like she went to see them and met with foul play? Or did they think "you know, instead of dumping the body in the nearby lakes or any of the relatively close & secluded bayous by our house that are probably infested with alligators that will help destroy the remains, let's drive an 1 hour+ to place the remains in the Gulf, where they'll likely wash back up ashore. That sounds like a better idea." Now, I wouldn't put it past them to be that silly when picking where to dispose of the body, but I tend to think this may point to Jaren either not being killed at the Kenner home but somewhere else or MAS & TS knowing/learning Jaren had ties to Bay St. Louis & thinking they could cast suspicion there.

 

[bessie]

IF we think Jaren died at the Kenner house, why do we think MAS & TS would have brought her body out to the Mississippi coast to put it out to sea? Seems to me there are plenty of places much closer to the Kenner house where one could put a body in water, such as Lake Pontchartrain, Bayou Piquant, Lake Maurepas, and any of the bayous and little lakes around where I-10 heads towards I-55 or near the spillway on Hwy 61.

I just find it weird that IF Jaren was killed at the Kenner house, that MAS & TS (who have no connections to the Mississippi Gulf Coast area that I know of) would drive to the area where Jaren's family lives around Bay St Louis and put her body out to sea there. Did Jaren mention her family was there and they thought dumping her there would make it look like she went to see them and met with foul play? Or did they think "you know, instead of dumping the body in the nearby lakes or any of the relatively close & secluded bayous by our house that are probably infested with alligators that will help destroy the remains, let's drive an 1 hour+ to place the remains in the Gulf, where they'll likely wash back up ashore. That sounds like a better idea." Now, I wouldn't put it past them to be that silly when picking where to dispose of the body, but I tend to think this may point to Jaren either not being killed at the Kenner home but somewhere else or MAS & TS knowing/learning Jaren had ties to Bay St. Louis & thinking they could cast suspicion there.

That's a valid argument. Originally, it was one of the reasons I believed she was killed elsewhere. Otherwise, why travel so far. When we discussed this last year, I even posted a photo of an alligator being fished out of the Duncan Canal to show there were options closer to Kenner. (What a horrible thought.) Now I've reconsidered because of the statements from Hancock County LE.

Grannon and police in Kenner, La... say evidence has been turned over to the forensics experts at the FBI. Grannon says some came from the house, some from the car in which the two were arrested last June.

"We're certainly dealing with two areas that were cleaned up and cleaned up very well," he said.
http://www.sunherald.com/2013/06/08/...n-dancers.html

So, if not the car and the house, which other two areas were "cleaned up very well? The car and ??? There's been no mention of a search warrant issued elsewhere.

Why the Gulf? I can only guess. Perhaps they had access to a boat over that way. Or they used the pier. Maybe they figured it was best to move the remains to a site as far away as reasonably possible where they had no connections, in the opposite direction of their home, even crossing state lines to add to the confusion should the remains surface. If that was their reasoning, I'd have to agree it was a good plan. It seems to be working out well for them, so far.

 

[SwampMama]

My grandmother lives about 4 blocks from MAS's house. The area where MAS lived has a lot of empty lots because the airport is so close and the noise level is quite loud. Many of the properties in that area were bought by the airport. I passed by the house on occasion and i can say that it would definitely be possible for them to drive up to the backyard and load a body into a vehicle without the neighbors noticing. There are trees and vegetation that shield the backyard from being seen from the street behind it.

 

[reedus23]

My grandmother lives about 4 blocks from MAS's house. The area where MAS lived has a lot of empty lots because the airport is so close and the noise level is quite loud. Many of the properties in that area were bought by the airport. I passed by the house on occasion and i can say that it would definitely be possible for them to drive up to the backyard and load a body into a vehicle without the neighbors noticing. There are trees and vegetation that shield the backyard from being seen from the street behind it.

Thanks so much for the insight. There just has to be a reason that area was taped off. I know it's just a guess, and it's probably already been said, but my own opinion is that Jaren was probably killed at the house. I think they probably pulled a car around back and transported her to the vehicle explaining the taped area in the back and avoided being seen in front of the house. Personally, I think they took her somewhere else and dismembered her wherever that is. I know they could have cleaned up extensively, but between comments about there not being much evidence from the house/car and the apparent lack of urgency for getting those test results back, it leads me to believe any dismembering was probably done elsewhere. I have no idea where that place may be, but I would bet it's a place they are somewhat familiar with but obviously off the beaten path. Somewhere where they felt "comfortable" enough to take the time to do what they did but also "comfortable" enough to be able to leave on a moments notice if discovered. Somewhere where they'd know their routes of escape. It's probably in the direction of the Mississippi coast where they then discarded her remains in the water.

I don't think I added anything new to the conversation, just thought I'd throw it out there and maybe see what everyone thinks.

 

[reedus23]

Old article showing that the evidence was sent to the FBI over a year ago now. Time to get the results back. Seriously.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/Sus...t-has-bond-raised-to-1-million-159708395.html

 

[Annie1004]

Bumping for Jaren. Where are the lab results? Is this case still being investigated? I can't believe it has gone cold. I wonder what details the POIs revealed to LE to explain where they took Jaren during those early morning hours? Parts of her remains were found several days later. MS and TS had to know what happened, if only they "left Jaren at the after-hours party." So where was this party, who were the other guests at the party? Grrrr. This is such a sad case. Jaren needs justice for such a brutal way her life was taken. We can't let those who committed this brutality to get away with it.

 

[bessie]

I'm afraid it could be awhile before those test results are in. Lauren Giddings is another horrible dismemberment case I follow closely. Last week marked two years since her murder, and some results still are not in. And that's with a defendant awaiting trial, which means the tests are given higher priority.

Cooke is the prosecutor in the Giddings case. He's "hopeful" the results will be in his hands by January. That would make the wait time a full two-and-a-half years. So much for catching up on the backlog. :tsktsk:

Although Cooke said he hasn’t received an estimate for when the testing will be complete, he said, “they’re making progress.”

FBI cases, such as the April 15 Boston bombing, take priority when it comes to which evidence is tested first at the lab, he said.

“I’m hopeful everything will be tested in time for the January trial date,” Cooke said.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2013/06/18/2523245/mcdaniel-trial-date-postponed.html#storylink=cpy

 

[reedus23]

I'm afraid it could be awhile before those test results are in. Lauren Giddings is another horrible dismemberment case I follow closely. Last week marked two years since her murder, and some results still are not in. And that's with a defendant awaiting trial, which means the tests are given higher priority.

Cooke is the prosecutor in the Giddings case. He's "hopeful" the results will be in his hands by January. That would make the wait time a full two-and-a-half years. So much for catching up on the backlog. :tsktsk:Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2013/06/18/2523245/mcdaniel-trial-date-postponed.html#storylink=cpy

Ok, that is depressing. I read somewhere that the federal government spends something like $25 billion maintaining vacant/unused properties each year. Can't we sell some of those properties and spend the money on more equipment and people to help bring about justice for families such as the Lockhart's? I didn't mean those monies literally, just somewhere to alleviate the backlog.

 

[reedus23]

If it is inappropriate to link this site, please delete it. I had always wondered how long the actual dna testing takes. Not the amount of time it takes to get results back due to back logs and other issues. According to this Forensic DNA analyst at least, the testing takes approximately 60 hours. I assume that translates into 1-2 weeks as they're obviously not working 24 hour days. Just frustrating that there aren't enough labs and analysts to handle the demand.

http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtml

 

[Nanner_Puddin]

I hope this case hasn't gone cold. I can't imagine what is taking so long to get any answers. Even "we have no clue" would be better than silence. Her poor family...

This has been itching at me for a while now, so I thought I'd throw it out there:

It was mentioned on a previous thread that MAS and/or TS were friends with the couple (ZB and AH) who were revered in MSM for their post-Katrina survival grit.

In October 2006, ZB jumped to his death from the roof of the Omni Royal Orleans hotel. In his pocket was a letter in which he confessed to the murder, decapitation, and cooking of AH's body parts.

AH was from the Durham, NC area originally. So is TS.

Connection? Maybe.

 

[typically-a-reader]

Yay, you guys are back to sluething!

 

[SwampMama]

I wish there was more we could do to get the results back sooner. I'm guessing that they are testing a lot of stuff that may have something on it and don't have anything that looks like it was obviously a part of the killing. So sad that so much time has gone by and we KNOW who the last people Jaren was last seen alive with but they have yet to be charged.