LA LA - Judy Ann Gary, 19, St. Martinville, 1 August 1986

  • #121
Laura said her heart sank when Ted mentioned the clothes.

At first, I thought that maybe they did find clothes that resembled hers.
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I may be mistaken, but I doubt Judy had much of a wardrobe. So if Ted saw and interacted with her regularly, it's reasonable to me to assume he would recognize something she wore, or the possibility that an article of clothing was hers.
This would have been around 1982 when Judy was 15 or 16 years old.
Not with Ted. But Judy was known for trying to "interact" with married police officers around then. Ted tried to scare her straight once telling her it wasn't ok. So it sounds to me like he was looking out for her, at least back then.
If so, it sounds like maybe Judy didn't understand or honor certain boundaries with people, but then  her boundaries hadn't been honored, either.
Maybe a stretch, but is it possible there's a jealous wife in this somewhere?
All jmo.
 
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I may be mistaken, but I doubt Judy had much of a wardrobe. So if Ted saw and interacted with her regularly, it's reasonable to me to assume he would recognize something she wore, or the possibility that an article of clothing was hers.
I don't know how often they saw Ted. I can ask Laura again. I was under the impression it wasn't often after they move 3 years prior.
If so, it sounds like maybe Judy didn't understand or honor certain boundaries with people, but then  her boundaries hadn't been honored, either.
Maybe a stretch, but is it possible there's a jealous wife in this somewhere?
All jmo.
I completely agree about the lack of boundaries! This was 3 years prior though. Some people do hold grudges though!
Everyone I have spoken to say that she was a devoted mother and Rickey was her world.
 
  • #123
Here is a Louisiana Parishes Map to Reference
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  • #124
Here is a map showing where the cities and towns are.
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  • #125
Sorry if this is a derail, but…what??
Yes. When I questioned it I was told it was to make room because they didn't have electronic files.
 
  • #126
Crawfish Hole #2

Judy and her sister Laura both dated Ronald James Letullier (DOB 8/21/1963).
Ronald was also in an on and off again relationship with Laura's sister in law.

I will try to explain this as best I can, cliff notes..

In a nutshell, he tried to rob a woman (Linda Badon) beat/stabbed her and left her for dead. They used to live together but I am unsure in what capacity, most likely a tenant. Then he covered her in leaves, yards away from her house, and lit the leaves on fire. She lived.
The next day he and his wife (who he met in jail in a GED class) went on a cocaine bender and stabbed an 88 year old man to death. Then, Ronald put him in his truck and then pushed him into the bayou for $300 in cash. He had just cashed his social security check.
Then they fled to Tennessee!

Ronald Letullier is currently serving a life sentence in Angola.
I want elaborate more on what I have learned about Ronald James Letullier.

He was in an automobile crash at the age of 2 that killed his father.

In doing so, I learned that his father's first wife was murdered at the age of 71 and was never solved.
Ronald would have been 19.

Then 11 years later, 4 houses down from where his half brother still lived.
An 87 year old woman was found murdered in her shed as well.
 

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  • #127
First: So Eric tells the police (not sure when) that Judy left with a man named Richard Franks on August 2, 1986. Upon what did he base this statement? (What does he say now when asked: “why did you tell them she left with Richard Franks, and why (how) could you have known she left with Franks on August 2, 1986? Did you see them together?”

Second: “Eric, why did you tell the police she left with Richard Franks on August 2, 1986, - but told her family that you’d learned from the pharmacy staff / druggist that she’d left from the pharmacy in a green 4 door car?”

Since she was your wife, after you learned from the pharmacy staff / druggist that she had gotten into a green 4 door sedan - and knowing that you’d already told police about her leaving with Richard Franks on Sat Aug 2, 1986, didn’t you think you should go tell the police about what the pharmacy staff / druggist at the pharmacy told you?

Third: wouldn’t it be an easy lie for Eric to have bern caught in: telling his sister in law (once she and her husband arrived out at Linden (I assume on Eric had 2nd or 3rd of August?) that Rickie had been first left in a car seat all alone on the front porch when Eric had gotten there, - but then had later (since) been “picked up by Judy’s sisters”, - when all along baby Rickey was supposedly in Hamilton at Judy’s mom’s house for 2 days?

I’m missing something. Hadn’t Eric seen his son at his mother-in-laws house on Hamilton, while he was there (just before he left to go “look” for Judy)?

Then, according to the sisters (and/or mom) Eric was gone for two days. So, an obvious question: are the girls / mom sure that baby Rickey was at the mom’s for the 2 days? Did they move him a few houses down to Laura or Shirley’s (I can’t remember if one or both also lived on the block).

And, what did the sisters say when told that Eric had been saying that baby Rickey had mysteriously shown up on the porch of his old house/trailer at Linden? (and that the dusters later came and got him)

Btw, had Eric and Judy been living separately at the time of her disappearance? (one maybe at the house in town and one at the trailer in Linden near his parents?)

If they were living together (at one location or the other) with the baby, why would Eric say; “every time I went to see her she was over at somebody’s house”? (And (para): “when we were at Hamilton she was writing notes to people, I don’t know who”)?

Who was Eric suggesting might have dropped baby Rickey off on the front porch? Surely not Judy, she had no car (not to mention, the mom or sisters would know if Judy came by in a green 4 four door car (or any car) abd picked him up from Hamilton to take him to linden .. oh, this is ridiculous! And surely not the sisters.

And, what did either of the sisters say when later confronted with the news that Eric said they had come out to pick up little Rickey?

And when Judy told her sister that she wanted to leave Eric because he was making her sleep with Eric’s boss in exchange for getting a ride to work.. where were Eric and Judy living at the time?

Re: the comment that one sister later made, that Eric had quit his job after Judy went missing, I wonder if it’s because his boss was no longer willing to pick him up? Ughh!

Eric could basically tell whatever story he wanted - to whomever he wanted - once he knew that LE was not looking for her AT ALL. He could never get caught in a lie. But how did he know that?

All jmo
 
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  • #128
Eric could basically tell whatever story he wanted - to whomever he wanted - once he knew that LE was not looking for her AT ALL. He could never get caught in a lie. But how did he know that?

All jmo
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If member(s) of LE were involved at all in Judy going missing and Eric knew this. He either knew who it was or how it would be handled. jmo
 
  • #129
Something that's been bugging me-- Judy  walked everywhere, Eric seemingly can't remember whether they had a car (or he rode with his boss). So why was the baby allegedly left on the porch at (?) address in a car seat?? Nobody in their right mind lugs a baby around on foot in a car seat! Is someone implying Judy deserted her son and rode off in a car? jmo
 
  • #130
Something that's been bugging me-- Judy  walked everywhere, Eric seemingly can't remember whether they had a car (or he rode with his boss). So why was the baby allegedly left on the porch at (?) address in a car seat?? Nobody in their right mind lugs a baby around on foot in a car seat! Is someone implying Judy deserted her son and rode off in a car? jmo
Brightchaser47, you’ve got me thinking now .. FM’s account of what ER told ex sister in law and husband when they showed up - might have said “baby seat” rather car seat. I better go check

Jmo
 
  • #131
He (Eric) left his job when Judy went missing Eric said that he came home and the baby was in a car seat by himself on the front porch (on Linden Lewis) with no one around.
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That's ER's version....jmo
 
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Also now realizing that when I mentioned a couple of posts ago re: Eric having left (lost) his job, it was because I misunderstood the context of “left his job” in one of FM’s posts. I now see that she meant “left his job that afternoon before he headed over to Judy’s mother’s house”. Sorry to all for confusion. Hard enough to keep up!
 
  • #133
First: So Eric tells the police (not sure when) that Judy left with a man named Richard Franks on August 2, 1986. Upon what did he base this statement? (What does he say now when asked: “why did you tell them she left with Richard Franks, and why (how) could you have known she left with Franks on August 2, 1986? Did you see them together?”

Second: “Eric, why did you tell the police she left with Richard Franks on August 2, 1986, - but told her family that you’d learned from the pharmacy staff / druggist that she’d left from the pharmacy in a green 4 door car?”
Eric denies this statement ever being made and says he has no idea who Richard Franks is.
Third: wouldn’t it be an easy lie for Eric to have bern caught in: telling his sister in law (once she and her husband arrived out at Linden (I assume on Eric had 2nd or 3rd of August?) that Rickie had been first left in a car seat all alone on the front porch when Eric had gotten there, - but then had later (since) been “picked up by Judy’s sisters”, - when all along baby Rickey was supposedly in Hamilton at Judy’s mom’s house for 2 days?

I’m missing something. Hadn’t Eric seen his son at his mother-in-laws house on Hamilton, while he was there (just before he left to go “look” for Judy)?
Eric knew where Rickey was. He knew he was still at Judy's mother's house on Hamilton St. in St. Martinville. When he told his SIL and brother he wasn't lying about him being with the sisters because they all lived on the same block.
Rickey was never at the house on Linden Lewis until he picked him up. The sisters and mom were constantly walking across the streets to each others homes. They all knew where Rickey was.
Third: wouldn’t it be an easy lie for Eric to have bern caught in: telling his sister in law (once she and her husband arrived out at Linden (I assume on Eric had 2nd or 3rd of August?) that Rickie had been first left in a car seat all alone on the front porch when Eric had gotten there, - but then had later (since) been “picked up by Judy’s sisters”, - when all along baby Rickey was supposedly in Hamilton at Judy’s mom’s house for 2 days?
It was an easy lie because I spoke to the ex-SIL on October 31, 2022 and when I relayed the story to Shirley and Laura they had never heard the Linden Lewis claim.
Btw, had Eric and Judy been living separately at the time of her disappearance? (one maybe at the house in town and one at the trailer in Linden near his parents?)
They both lived at Lasalle in St. Martinville.?)
If they were living together (at one location or the other) with the baby, why would Eric say; “every time I went to see her she was over at somebody’s house”? (And (para): “when we were at Hamilton she was writing notes to people, I don’t know who”)?
When she was at other people's house he was referring to when they were dating.
And when Judy told her sister that she wanted to leave Eric because he was making her sleep with Eric’s boss in exchange for getting a ride to work.. where were Eric and Judy living at the time?
This was the week before she went missing so on Lasalle St. in St. Martinville.
 
  • #134
Something that's been bugging me-- Judy  walked everywhere, Eric seemingly can't remember whether they had a car (or he rode with his boss). So why was the baby allegedly left on the porch at (?) address in a car seat?? Nobody in their right mind lugs a baby around on foot in a car seat! Is someone implying Judy deserted her son and rode off in a car? jmo
In effort to catch people up to speed there are a few pretty significant crawfish holes (much like rabbit holes but much much muddier) I want to make everyone aware of.

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This is a map that came in to play in the beginning of my investigation. Eric Richard's parents, Clarence & Betty Jo Richard bought property on Linden Lewis Rd in Youngsville, La in April 1985 after winning a lawsuit. They are Judy's in laws. They then obtained a permit to build/move trailer on their property at 231 Linden Lewis Rd in May 1985. (Lot A)
Judy became homesick and they almost immediately moved back closer to her family in Youngsville. They rented a home at 516 Lasalle St. this is where they lived when she disappeared.
Exactly, this map shows the distance they would have toted a carseat. Keep in mind August in South Louisiana is miserable and most of this area in between is sugarcane fields.
 
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When she was at other people's house he was referring to when they were dating.
Is he implying she was running around on him prior to marriage or merely miffed that she was never home when he wanted to call on her?
 
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“When she was at other people's house he was referring to when they were dating”.

Odd though to combine it in same statement about “when they were at Hamilton” (when she was writing notes), as that sounds like he was referring to a time when they were married..

Maybe ER and Judy lived at Judy’s mom’s in Hamilton for a bit before (or just after) they married? before moving out to near ER’s parents, on Linden, before then moving back into town for on LaSalle?

Jmo
 
  • #137
Thank you! It has surely been a test of patience.

She was not pregnant that we know of but anything is possible. She even admitted to her sister Laura that she was having sex with someone other than her husband.
Yes, Rickey has asked Eric many times. He makes it sound like she ran off.

When Laura said that Judy told her she wanted to leave Eric, did she indicate whether or not she meant with Rickey? Does Laura know if Judy would run away and leave Rickey behind?
 
  • #138
Something that's been bugging me-- Judy  walked everywhere, Eric seemingly can't remember whether they had a car (or he rode with his boss). So why was the baby allegedly left on the porch at (?) address in a car seat?? Nobody in their right mind lugs a baby around on foot in a car seat! Is someone implying Judy deserted her son and rode off in a car? jmo
St. Martinville is still a walkable town today. There’s no city bus transportation. I wonder if Judy had a stroller and a carrier that could be attached. Hamilton Street and the Hospital Pharmacy is a short walk.
 
  • #139
Is he implying she was running around on him prior to marriage or merely miffed that she was never home when he wanted to call on her?
Eric said that she was never at home when they were dating.
 
  • #140
“When she was at other people's house he was referring to when they were dating”.

Odd though to combine it in same statement about “when they were at Hamilton” (when she was writing notes), as that sounds like he was referring to a time when they were married..

Maybe ER and Judy lived at Judy’s mom’s in Hamilton for a bit before (or just after) they married? before moving out to near ER’s parents, on Linden, before then moving back into town for on LaSalle?

Jmo
When they were dating Judy and her mother lived at 308 Columbus St in St. Martinville. By that time Laura was married to Ba'Boy and had moved out.

Many of Eric's statements have been hard to follow. He confuses timelines and sometimes jumps into a conversation about a different wife with no warning.
 

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