LA - Michael Noel, mentally ill man killed by deputy

[bluesneakers]

This is the most reasonable response and way to look at such situations imo.

I think before the first tase was administered, the officers should have backed off (the situation could not have been going well) - to the door would be reasonable in order to keep an eye on his movements. At that point more officers would not be necessary.

Then see what he is going to do and reassess what is required to carry out the assigned task.

The officers were sent to do one job - take MN into protective custody and deliver him to a specific location. To say that any force can be used if resistance is present is going sideways and contrary to the job they were sent to carry out. To me, that points out the core problem.

All jmo.

I just can't imagine someone coming into my home, trying to wrestle me into handcuffs, Tazering me, and then shooting me in the chest when I have broken not one single law. Try to imagine it. He wasn't a suspect. They weren't taking him to jail. And still he ended up dead?

I wonder what would have happened if at any point his mother had told the cops to get out of her house?

 

[drjones]

Police tase folks for not complying all of the time (and I don't have a problem with it most of the time, unless it is a non-violent mentally ill person).

Personally I do believe this individual probably was combative, I don't believe the family's claims saying he has no history of violence.

Right. My point is that we do not know exactly what he was doing. We can only speculate, so how can we say if it would have been appropriate for the officer to backoff instead of using the taser? We cannot say.

 

[Tawny]

Whole lot of "what ifs" going on.

 

[katydid23]

I just can't imagine someone coming into my home, trying to wrestle me into handcuffs, Tazering me, and then shooting me in the chest when I have broken not one single law. Try to imagine it. He wasn't a suspect. They weren't taking him to jail. And still he ended up dead?

I wonder what would have happened if at any point his mother had told the cops to get out of her house?

Can you imagine your mother and entire family, going to a judge, and asking that he send armed deputies to come and restrain you and force you if necessary to go to a mental facility? What would it take for your mother to do that?

 

[Tawny]

Can you imagine your mother and entire family, going to a judge, and asking that he send armed deputies to come and restrain you and force you if necessary to go to a mental facility? What would it take for your mother to do that?

Extreme love, obviously. She cares about her son and wants him to have the treatment he needs. Can you imagine how hard it is to watch your baby struggle with this kind of mental illness? Can you imagine the pain and inner turmoil of having to call the police on your son because he needs help so badly???

She certainly didn't want to watch him DIE in front of her.

 

[kimlynn]

Police tase folks for not complying all of the time (and I don't have a problem with it most of the time, unless it is a non-violent mentally ill person).

Personally I do believe this individual probably was combative, I don't believe the family's claims saying he has no history of violence.

I see it as a possibility that he was tazed because he was fighting being cuffed. Still can't figure why he was shot. Minor injuries doesn't seem to be enough cause for me.
IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I see it as a possibility that he was tazed because he was fighting being cuffed. Still can't figure why he was shot. Minor injuries doesn't seem to be enough cause for me.
IMO

I don't either. There were two of them and only one of him. How did it end with him shot in the chest?

 

[katydid23]

<modsnip>

As I posted above, my little brother is a paranoid schizophrenic. We have had orders of protection and have had to have him forced into care.

My point was that no one does that unless they are in an urgent and desperate situation. Most of the time, my brother agreed to go to the doctor. But sometimes he was out of control, scary and violent. We never called for help unless he was too much for us to handle. He heard voices and had hallucinations which made him very dangerous at times.

 

[katydid23]

Extreme love, obviously. She cares about her son and wants him to have the treatment he needs. Can you imagine how hard it is to watch your baby struggle with this kind of mental illness? Can you imagine the pain and inner turmoil of having to call the police on your son because he needs help so badly???

She certainly didn't want to watch him DIE in front of her.

My mother loves my little brother very much. But she still had to lock her bedroom door with a secure bolt lock every night, in case he had a mental meltdown in the middle of the night.

I watched my little brother going through this turmoil for the past 40 years. Which Is exactly why I understand why the cop might have felt his own life was in danger.

see post #170 and #174

 

[katydid23]

Extreme love, obviously. She cares about her son and wants him to have the treatment he needs. Can you imagine how hard it is to watch your baby struggle with this kind of mental illness? Can you imagine the pain and inner turmoil of having to call the police on your son because he needs help so badly???

She certainly didn't want to watch him DIE in front of her.

See posts #170 and #174...

 

[kimlynn]

I don't either. There were two of them and only one of him. How did it end with him shot in the chest?

It will be interesting to find out. I don't know if they have to prove intent to harm,or are allowed to go by what they think a persons intentions might be.
I wonder if LE had body cams or are the only witnesses family. IMO

ETA It will probably be a reached for gun claim. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

It will be interesting to find out. I don't know if they have to prove intent to harm,or are allowed to go by what they think a persons intentions might be.
I wonder if LE had body cams or are the only witnesses family. IMO

ETA It will probably be a reached for gun claim. IMO

I'm still trying to find out about the body cameras. Some parish deputies do wear them.

I've tried looking at pictures and so far haven't seen any, but most of them are posed shots and I don't know if an officer would wear a body camera while giving a speech or visiting a high school. The shooting of Jeremy Mardis was recorded on body-cam but those two officers worked in a different city's police department and were acting as marshals at the time.

So... I have no idea, but I'm going to remain hopeful.

 

[Teche]

Hugs!

My mother loves my little brother very much. But she still had to lock her bedroom door with a secure bolt lock every night, in case he had a mental meltdown in the middle of the night.

I watched my little brother going through this turmoil for the past 40 years. Which Is exactly why I understand why the cop might have felt his own life was in danger.

see post #170 and #174

 

[Teche]

I don't know if the St. Martin Parish deputies have body cameras. When I was stopped by a deputy for speeding a year or so ago (guilty), the deputy didn't have a body camera that I could see...I was crying pretty hard (1st ticket in my my 45 years of driving).

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.katc.com/story/30872006/family-hosts-fundraiser-for-michael-noel-funeral-expenses

Family hosts fundraiser for Michael Noel funeral expenses

 

[bluesneakers]

Louisiana prosecutor declines to charge deputies in shooting of mentally ill man

On Friday, Assistant District Attorney Chester Cedars said his office in St. Martin Parish found that charges weren't warranted after a review of evidence gather by investigators from the State Police.

In a 20-page memo, he described the shooting of Mr. Noel as a "reasonable reaction to an extraordinarily intense and volatile situation which was brought on, solely and exclusively, by Michael's conduct."

 

[kimlynn]

Louisiana prosecutor declines to charge deputies in shooting of mentally ill man

So a mentally ill man is responsible for his conduct and actions,and police had no other option than to exterminate.
IMO it all boils down to lack of training.

 

[pet friend]

So a mentally ill man is responsible for his conduct and actions,and police had no other option than to exterminate.
IMO it all boils down to lack of training.

That is so sad. I'm so sorry for Michael's family. My mom was schizophrenic also. She had a few episodes of agressive behavior but was not a violent person. Most people suffering from mental illness aren't. She went many years without medication & became psychotic. Miraculously in the last year's of her life she required a very low dose of meds. Her Dr was amazed too. Imo Michael died needlessly, due to a misunderstood MI. My condolences.

 

[DatelineFan]

One hundred times? The local cops are expected to restrain and control a noncompliant family member over a hundred times? That doers not make any sense. They are being exploited if that is the case.

One hundred times they had to grapple with and struggle with this resistant, angry, scared man. And on the hundredth or so time, the struggle became violent and he was shot. I am guessing that he tried to wrestle the gun from the holster which brought on the lethal force.

So cops were expected to restrain and overpower him a hundred times, and then when it fails in an ugly way, the family immediately cries out in protest. They could not handle him themselves. They relied upon the cops to do so and they did so just fine, over a hundred times. But that counts for nothing apparently. Now they are said to be violent brutal heathens. Oh, except for the previous 100 times...

So it's OK to just kill him the 101st time?

Sent from my SM-G928T using Tapatalk

 

[DatelineFan]

This is from the 22nd. Why hasn't there been an update from LE yet?

Mentally ill Breaux Bridge man dead as officer-involved shooting investigation continues

The officer pulled him closer and **** him!? Sounds like murder to me.

Sent from my SM-G928T using Tapatalk