LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #25

[Schmidty]

Nah...don't stop posting and don't take anything that goes on around here personally. It doesn't matter if you've got 1 post under your belt or 10,000 ... EVERYONE'S thoughts and comments are JUST as important as the next guys. Personally, I respect any and all input on this case and all the cases. Sometimes a post will engage a lot of conversation but more often than not...your post may get lost in shuffle. Don't take it personal. I've been around here a while now and most of my comments get lost in the sometimes rapid movement of the threads. Hope my last post about the WT didn't discourage you...I'm just worn out with the WT thing. I've got my thoughts on it and everyone else has their thoughts as well. Don't mean ANY of us have the "corner on that market"!!! Post on fellow sleuther!!!

As they say, "werd". ^^THIS^^

 

[Artis]

I see your point, but I think the reality is that the physical and cultural landscape of the country has changed dramatically in that time.

Think about it: There are far more murders now than in the 1960s (I know we're speaking in percentages, but bear with me), making it understandably harder for LE to keep up. Population growth and increases in urban crime mean there are people generally and more criminals specifically. There's more anonymity among people these days, too. Couple that with the fact that you don't have significantly more LE officials, and you've got a recipe for unsolved cases. Beyond that, criminals have easier access to very dangerous weapons (no, I am not decrying the 2nd Amendment here). Not sure where the numbers are coming from, but I can understand how there would be fewer missing persons cases solved now than in the '60s.

That post that I responded to said from something like 2007 to now, I think, not from the 1960s to now.

 

[nola]

Your post made me think of something. Charlie said that Mickey was looking forward to the night of May 18th and hearing the band that played at Artmosphere that night. Charlie came to town the the day before and maybe the sisters partied too much as a result. But why, if MS had been looking forward to the 18th, did she allow herself to party too much the the night before?

BW stated that MS began saying she was hungry at around 11PM yet they had just gotten there at 10:13PM. Doesn't that seem odd? Could the atmosphere at Artmosphere, despite the band who MS was looking forward to seeing, been tainted for some reason? Could it be that someone who was present made her uncomfortable, someone she never expected to see there? Why show up to an event you've been looking forward to and want to leave before the first hour is over? She ended up staying until past 1AM but still, it sounds as if something was off with her that night.

Of course her friends would know more about this but maybe they have to keep hushed for obvious reasons - pointing a suspected finger at somebody who may be innocent. I want to know if LE noted any troubling interactions from the band's video. They mentioned it and took the time to look at it. :waitasec: Also, why didn't MS eat earlier or order something there? Why was she anxious to beat feet and what convinced her to stay?

I read someplace that Mickey wanted all to go to a local diner and eat, but seems like BW convinced her to stay saying that he would ride (bikes) back with her to his house and take her (in his car) to get something to eat.

Thinking about what's been written about the actual abduction...it could be that this was a crime of opportunity that started with the perp intentionally hitting her (while she rode her bike), but acting like it was accidental. If he played this role convincingly, Mickey may have gotten into his vehicle to accept a ride home with her damaged bike in-tow and with all of her belongings---or if she were injured, she may have eagerly accepted the prep's offer to take her to the hospital (which was just a few blocks away) on St Landry, in the same direction she was traveling. Mickey's abductor could have taken her completely off-guard acting as if he hadn't seen her and wanted to make sure she was ok. This would explain no belongings being found on St. Landry or surrounding streets and be a reasonable explanation as to why Mickey would have "willing" gotten into a stranger's vehicle. Once in the vehicle, everything could have changed. All speculation on my part, of course.

 

[nutkin]

I get the impression that BW might have had a "crush" on Mickey and that she only liked him as a friend. So when he would get "weird" on her, she'd make an excuse to leave.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

On another subject, how long ago was Mickey's bike turned over to the lab? Would the water wash evidence away?
Will they report the results or keep them under wraps like they seem to do with everything else?
Why can't we know the nature of the items the PI had and has turned over to LE?

The last question, I think I know the answer to. Something about false confessions and not wanting everyone to know details of the case in order to verify information if and when it comes up.

 

[nerdita]

I read someplace that Mickey wanted all to go to a local diner and eat, but seems like BW convinced her to stay saying that he would ride (bikes) back with her to his house and take her (in his car) to get something to eat.

Thinking about what's been written about the actual abduction...it could be that this was a crime of opportunity that started with the perp intentionally hitting her (while she rode her bike), but acting like it was accidental. If he played this role convincingly, Mickey may have gotten into his vehicle to accept a ride home with her damaged bike in-tow and with all of her belongings---or if she were injured, she may have eagerly accepted the prep's offer to take her to the hospital (which was just a few blocks away) on St Landry, in the same direction she was traveling. Mickey's abductor could have taken her completely off-guard acting as if he hadn't seen her and wanted to make sure she was ok. This would explain no belongings being found on St. Landry or surrounding streets and be a reasonable explanation as to why Mickey would have "willing" gotten into a stranger's vehicle. Once in the vehicle, everything could have changed. All speculation on my part, of course.

the only thing that bothers me about that scenario of her being uninjured is that if she was okay after being hit, i think she would have texted or called someone unless she was attacked right away.

 

[paris_paris]

I googled about the truck in Texas easy to find, wow could it be?

Did you notice the the picture of the white truck is a Google satellite image? Those images are months/years old.

Hoax.

I'm 4 pages behind in case you all know that already.

 

[RWRNHZ40]

I read someplace that Mickey wanted all to go to a local diner and eat, but seems like BW convinced her to stay saying that he would ride (bikes) back with her to his house and take her (in his car) to get something to eat.

Thinking about what's been written about the actual abduction...it could be that this was a crime of opportunity that started with the perp intentionally hitting her (while she rode her bike), but acting like it was accidental. If he played this role convincingly, Mickey may have gotten into his vehicle to accept a ride home with her damaged bike in-tow and with all of her belongings---or if she were injured, she may have eagerly accepted the prep's offer to take her to the hospital (which was just a few blocks away) on St Landry, in the same direction she was traveling. Mickey's abductor could have taken her completely off-guard acting as if he hadn't seen her and wanted to make sure she was ok. This would explain no belongings being found on St. Landry or surrounding streets and be a reasonable explanation as to why Mickey would have "willing" gotten into a stranger's vehicle. Once in the vehicle, everything could have changed. All speculation on my part, of course.

Just to point something out. There isn't a hospital on St. Landry. The old Lourdes used to be there, but they moved recently-ish. But otherwise, it's a plausible theory.

 

[A.C.I]

The one in Texas or Lafayette?!

Texas

 

[nutkin]

On another subject, how long ago was Mickey's bike turned over to the lab? Would the water wash evidence away?
Will they report the results or keep them under wraps like they seem to do with everything else?
Why can't we know the nature of the items the PI had and has turned over to LE?

The last question, I think I know the answer to. Something about false confessions and not wanting everyone to know details of the case in order to verify information if and when it comes up.

Being submerged in water for an extended period of time can make DNA evidence unusable, at least when talking about a body. I am not so sure about an object.

They can gather other evidence, however. There may be vegetation on the bike's tires that isn't from Whiskey Bay. There could be hair.

 

[nutkin]

Did you notice the the picture of the white truck is a Google satellite image? Those images are months/years old.

Hoax.

I'm 4 pages behind in case you all know that already.

I think the satellite images are being used to show where the truck was found at the motel, not the particular truck they are talking about it.

 

[justwannahelp]

how can we be CERTAIN this abandoned white truck in Texas has nothing to do with it? is it possible that it was stolen for the crime then dumped at the motel?

 

[Creole Sleuth]

I read someplace that Mickey wanted all to go to a local diner and eat, but seems like BW convinced her to stay saying that he would ride (bikes) back with her to his house and take her (in his car) to get something to eat.

Thinking about what's been written about the actual abduction...it could be that this was a crime of opportunity that started with the perp intentionally hitting her (while she rode her bike), but acting like it was accidental. If he played this role convincingly, Mickey may have gotten into his vehicle to accept a ride home with her damaged bike in-tow and with all of her belongings---or if she were injured, she may have eagerly accepted the prep's offer to take her to the hospital (which was just a few blocks away) on St Landry, in the same direction she was traveling. Mickey's abductor could have taken her completely off-guard acting as if he hadn't seen her and wanted to make sure she was ok. This would explain no belongings being found on St. Landry or surrounding streets and be a reasonable explanation as to why Mickey would have "willing" gotten into a stranger's vehicle. Once in the vehicle, everything could have changed. All speculation on my part, of course.

the hospital on st. landry is an abandoned building. vagrants hang out there. nearest hospital would be on congress.

 

[A.C.I]

how can we be CERTAIN this abandoned white truck in Texas has nothing to do with it? is it possible that it was stolen for the crime then dumped at the motel?

Because I'm certain. Ran the plates. Talked to the owners, talked to the parish sheriff. It's nothing suspicious. The owner is parks it there to go offshore.

 

[justwannahelp]

nola's theory is something i never thought about. i could see that happening. what really makes sense here is that there was NOTHING of hers found (that we know of) so we can assume that she was either quickly snatched so nothing fell off of her or she was hit and was given enough time to collect her belongings due to trusting the person that hit her. i don't know though. i don't think i'd get in a car with a man even under those circumstances. i was even afraid to get in the car with a police officer when my new car ran out of gas on I10. he insisted and refused to just go and get the gas for me. he said it was his responsibility to make sure nothing happened ot me and my kids on the shoulder. which makes sense, but i was still afraid. and he was in his cop car uniform and everything.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I get the impression that BW might have had a "crush" on Mickey and that she only liked him as a friend. So when he would get "weird" on her, she'd make an excuse to leave.

Men can be like that. You don't think he respected her boundaries? Maybe if he was drinking or something he'd get sloppy. That said, why would she be planning to go to New Orleans with him then? Behavior like that would get annoying if true. She'd be stuck there with him with nowhere else to go. I don't know, it seems he accepted her choices and just liked her for herself.
I wonder why he and Emily broke up. Why would they have to break up unless their relationship wasn't that great to begin with. How long had they gone out together and were they considered an item? Just wondering out loud as BW verbalized that MS and E had a strained relationship.

 

[nutkin]

how can we be CERTAIN this abandoned white truck in Texas has nothing to do with it? is it possible that it was stolen for the crime then dumped at the motel?

It could have something to do with it. It could be drug-related. Or it could have something to do with the hundreds of girls/women who are missing/murdered in the Houston area.

I'd say it is unlikely to have anything to do with murder or abduction.

My first thought is that someone "rented" their vehicle out for drugs and the "dealer" abandoned it. A lot of crackheads (I'm sure other drug users do it too) will rent their vehicle out for a certain period of time for a certain amount of crack. Usually dealers will do this in order to go to a larger city (i.e. Houston) to get the drugs they sell. Then they return the vehicle. I'd bet it ran out of gas or the dealer just decided to ditch it.

 

[justwannahelp]

Because I'm certain. Ran the plates. Talked to the owners, talked to the parish sheriff. It's nothing suspicious. The owner is parks it there to go offshore.

Oh, i guess i just really wanted something to bring us closer:nevermind:

 

[A.C.I]

It could have something to do with it. It could be drug-related. Or it could have something to do with the hundreds of girls/women who are missing/murdered in the Houston area.

I'd say it is unlikely to have anything to do with murder or abduction.

My first thought is that someone "rented" their vehicle out for drugs and the "dealer" abandoned it. A lot of crackheads (I'm sure other drug users do it too) will rent their vehicle out for a certain period of time for a certain amount of crack. Usually dealers will do this in order to go to a larger city (i.e. Houston) to get the drugs they sell. Then they return the vehicle. I'd bet it ran out of gas or the dealer just decided to ditch it.

It's not abandoned. The owner is offshore. Parks it there all the time.

 

[nutkin]

Men can be like that. You don't think he respected her boundaries? Maybe if he was drinking or something he'd get sloppy. That said, why would she be planning to go to New Orleans with him then? Behavior like that would get annoying if true. She'd be stuck there with him with nowhere else to go. I don't know, it seems he accepted her choices and just liked her for herself.
I wonder why he and Emily broke up. Why would they have to break up unless their relationship wasn't that great to begin with. How long had they gone out together and were they considered an item? Just wondering out loud as BW verbalized that MS and E had a strained relationship.

I'm not sure it was that he didn't respect boundaries. I'm thinking he is probably more the type to talk about his feelings. I get that impression, anyway. So, maybe it was something she could look past even if it did get annoying and make her want to get away.