LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #28

[pjcitizen]

Regarding the altered pictures (beyond enhancement).

I reluctantly link to this post, and trust me I will not be reposting the picture. I disagree with it being posted in the first place for the exact reason that is happening now... the picture gets cropped or separated from the disclaimer and people think it's the real deal.

This poster altered, beyond enhancement the pic of the DWT to show what his/her eye could see. The poster added shading and an overlay of a white truck, colored in the driver, whatever.

Please don't repost this picture, it will again be cropped and accepted as the true, original LE approved image.

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Read that is says this is a fantasy enhancement. That disclaimer has been cropped out in pictures I see in the last thread!!!!

 

[wenderella]

I've seen people say that here but I've never seen any story or press release where this has been said. And if this is the case, what about the DWT?

If the LCG photo is the last we see of MS and the last we see of the DWT (meaning neither is on the 200 block of St. Landry) then there is a very good chance the DWT is involved because it would be an extreme coincidence for both to turn on Brashear considering that is not an often traveled street.

If the DWT is seen on the 200 block of St. Landry but not MS, then it would lead to the chance that the DWT is probably not involved (unless it turned and on a later street and caught up with her).

Again, the lack of information and the lack of questioning does not help the public aid in this investigation.

FINALLY-
If we can get some solid answers to this-I feel like we are back on tract and not spinning our wheels!
Wonder who can get a straight answer from LE or the family?

 

[Island hopper]

I think it is unacceptable to add random color and then present that color as being in the photos LE released. I think it unacceptable to change the photos in such a way to make the windshield appear to be busted, thereby falsely strengthening the supposition that Mickey was hit by the truck.

I do believe it is possible that someone "changed" the photo without any intention to deceive and mislead, but the change DID mislead and deceive.

And, IMO, that needed to be pointed out.

The pic LE released is so grainy that no one knows what is in the true image under the blur and graininess. Maybe there is a broken window, maybe someone is sitting in the passenger seat with a blue shirt. The only way to know what is there is to enhance the photo. If an expert does this enhancement then maybe all these things are there...maybe none of them. Who are we to say this member is not a video forensics expert or an art director with expert software. Unless you are a forensics video expert then you cannot rule out these things are there. Please keep an open mind and google the images for video forensics. It will open a new world in what may or may not be in the photo.

That being said....if someone alters a photo in any way, we should label it with what techniques we used.

 

[clkwrks]

I've seen people say that here but I've never seen any story or press release where this has been said. And if this is the case, what about the DWT?

If the LCG photo is the last we see of MS and the last we see of the DWT (meaning neither is on the 200 block of St. Landry) then there is a very good chance the DWT is involved because it would be an extreme coincidence for both to turn on Brashear considering that is not an often traveled street.

If the DWT is seen on the 200 block of St. Landry but not MS, then it would lead to the chance that the DWT is probably not involved (unless it turned and on a later street and caught up with her).

Again, the lack of information and the lack of questioning does not help the public aid in this investigation.

From a transcript of a press conference given by LE the Circle K photo is the last time Mickey was seen on camera.
Q: Was that the last camera that's seen her that came out of city hall? No other camera was in that direction?
A: No other camera that we have found has captured her on video. You know it's possible that someone in one of these vehicles may have saw Mickey turn off on a side street, which would assist in the investigation.
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No mention of the truck beyond Circle K

 

[kgeaux]

What kind of vehicle does BW drive?

We cannot sleuth BW, but I can tell you he does not drive a four door white truck, nor does he drive a hooptie. His vehicle does not appear in any of the released pics.

 

[LafayetteMom]

I'm unsure what you mean by 'included' but I am talking the two trucks in question as being the same or not

You were asking about a truck turning on St. John. I was answering that it was on St. Landry. And earlier you said the link I posted (official LPD page) did not include whatever pic you were talking about. I think you have already clarified, you just didn't see if b/c you were on your ipad or whatever.

I agree, the truck on University does not look like the truck in front of Circle K on St. Landry. Never argued about that. Just reposted information directly from the LDP site, which says that we are only looking at one pic of a white 4 door Chevy Z71, and the other pics are of vehicles that have been ruled out.

 

[Island hopper]

It certainly misled every person who thought they were seeing a person wearing a blue shirt!

She did not add the blue. It is on the original pic posted by LE. You have to make the picture bigger to see it. Making the picture bigger will not cause any type of color to be added. Completely unaltered the blue is there. This is why I feel that it could be a reflection.

If you take a pic of the pic on your screen, you may see color in a reflection even if the photo is greyscale. There also could be something on the lens of the camera. My local news station has a weather camera on top of their building. It had a green fuzzy on it for days that looked like a city landmark had been painted green.

 

[kgeaux]

From a transcript of a press conference given by LE the Circle K photo is the last time Mickey was seen on camera.
Q: Was that the last camera that's seen her that came out of city hall? No other camera was in that direction?
A: No other camera that we have found has captured her on video. You know it's possible that someone in one of these vehicles may have saw Mickey turn off on a side street, which would assist in the investigation.
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No mention of the truck beyond Circle K

Thank you. I read this this morning when I was going through the timeline, articles and videos. You saved me from going back again to get the link!

My statement stands, and is backed up by the last statement we have from LE. As far as verifiable information goes, Mickey was last seen in the LCG video, near the Circle K.

 

[kgeaux]

Regarding the altered pictures (beyond enhancement).

I reluctantly link to this post, and trust me I will not be reposting the picture. I disagree with it being posted in the first place for the exact reason that is happening now... the picture gets cropped or separated from the disclaimer and people think it's the real deal.

This poster altered, beyond enhancement the pic of the DWT to show what his/her eye could see. The poster added shading and an overlay of a white truck, colored in the driver, whatever.

Please don't repost this picture, it will again be cropped and accepted as the true, original LE approved image.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LA LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette, 19 May 2012 - #20

ETA ANOTHER FANTASY depiction:
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Single Post - LA LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette; 19 May 2012 - #21


Read that is says this is a fantasy enhancement. That disclaimer has been cropped out in pictures I see in the last thread!!!!

Thank you! I wish the person who originally posted the photo would delete it! It is being used to spread mis-information!

 

[chicken fried]

When working with photo editing programs, there is a button - One step photo fix. It automatically adds color to a photo but it also sharpens it a bit as well. The good thing about it adding color is it can also delineate shapes. I will be the first to admit that I cannot see certain things that others see in the pictures.
Most of us who worked with the photos did so only because we felt it was a way we could contribute to help to find Mickey. LE has other things going on besides Mickey's case. However, if it helps Mickey more to sit here and criticize the work of others who were only trying to help, then that's fine too.

Criticizing faked photos certainly DOES help find Mickey more, because it helps prevent more people from being misled than already have been. I think you are missing the point that kgeaux and I and others are making, which is why the argument is dragging out. At least for my part, I am not criticizing enhancement. I am vehemently criticizing active alteration.

We are criticizing the manipulation of the photos in which pixels were added by paintbrush - adding black pixels where there were white pixels. No form of acceptable enhancement changes white pixels to black. The black pixels of the "driver with dreadlocks" were purposely added to the original photo, where they never existed, and then no disclaimer was put loud and clear, right on the photo, using the "text" tool.

It makes this site look loony to anyone - LE - PI - family - others trying to help from afar - perusing it for clues, to have people discussing dreadlocks on a "driver" that was painted in by a poster on Photoshop, because all they have to do is go back to the originals - see that there is no black driver, and then conclude that WS is a joke.

Whoever did that may have been trying to help, but what was done is totally unacceptable, in my book, in that it has diverted people's energies into discussing what is basically a fraud. I urge everyone to save the original photos to hard drive, to help quickly shoot down the next altered photo being unknowingly accepted as fact, by posters who were misled.

 

[Donamena]

Post is heartbreaking to read. I have read several post in this thread regarding the Jennings women and some have been very degrading. I would assume that some of the Jennings 8 friends/family are reading this site. I believe respect for all victims should be top priority when comparing victims.

They don't read this site. I asked. A few of the girls had worked for us once or twice in an emergency. There are hundreds of theories. Even their families have their own. MS doesn't, couldn't, wouldn't fit in. Ever

 

[chicken fried]

Regarding the altered pictures (beyond enhancement).

I reluctantly link to this post, and trust me I will not be reposting the picture. I disagree with it being posted in the first place for the exact reason that is happening now... the picture gets cropped or separated from the disclaimer and people think it's the real deal.

This poster altered, beyond enhancement the pic of the DWT to show what his/her eye could see. The poster added shading and an overlay of a white truck, colored in the driver, whatever.

Please don't repost this picture, it will again be cropped and accepted as the true, original LE approved image.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LA LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette, 19 May 2012 - #20

ETA ANOTHER FANTASY depiction:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LA LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette; 19 May 2012 - #21


Read that is says this is a fantasy enhancement. That disclaimer has been cropped out in pictures I see in the last thread!!!!

If the poster is good enough at Photoshop, to add a driver, then the poster is good enough to use the "text" tool to type, "FANTASY ENHANCEMENT" right on the photo.

If this poster wishes to do this again, then "FANTASY ENHANCEMENT" needs to be right on the photo, not typed underneath in the comment. Otherwise the photo is too deceiving to be posted.

 

[yupikgirl]

I don't want to add to any confusion, but there very well may have been more video of MS, but by the time it was all looked at it may have been recorded over. I believe it was Monday when they started looking at the footage. I'll edit if this is incorrect

 

[BobbieBu]

Is it me or is the bottom picture above with the truck at the stop sign.. Does it look like the back door is open?!?!

 

[chicken fried]

FINALLY-
If we can get some solid answers to this-I feel like we are back on tract and not spinning our wheels!
Wonder who can get a straight answer from LE or the family?

And so we're back to the key point where discussion stalled over a week ago, due to lack of information.

The question of whether she actually was seen further down St. Landry is critical to all theories, and always was.

When I go to see Mr. Shunick again, I am going to ask him directly. That seems the simplest, best way, IMO.

 

[pjcitizen]

If the poster is good enough at Photoshop, to add a driver, then the poster is good enough to use the "text" tool to type, "FANTASY ENHANCEMENT" right on the photo.

If this poster wishes to do this again, then "FANTASY ENHANCEMENT" needs to be right on the photo, not typed underneath in the comment. Otherwise the photo is too deceiving to be posted.

As I posted, MOO was that it shouldn't have been posted to begin with! Fantasy enhancement is written on the photo but is hard to see, most people skip over it, and it has been cropped out in other posts!

 

[Angree Cajon]

I've seen people say that here but I've never seen any story or press release where this has been said. And if this is the case, what about the DWT?

If the LCG photo is the last we see of MS and the last we see of the DWT (meaning neither is on the 200 block of St. Landry) then there is a very good chance the DWT is involved because it would be an extreme coincidence for both to turn on Brashear considering that is not an often traveled street.

If the DWT is seen on the 200 block of St. Landry but not MS, then it would lead to the chance that the DWT is probably not involved (unless it turned and on a later street and caught up with her).

Again, the lack of information and the lack of questioning does not help the public aid in this investigation.

I see Elvis driving & Popeyes the Sailor as a passenger. But serious On the one with the truck in turn lane, I think that is the Circle K light reflected on the tailgate or bed...I don't think there's anything in the bed

 

[kgeaux]

The pic LE released is so grainy that no one knows what is in the true image under the blur and graininess. Maybe there is a broken window, maybe someone is sitting in the passenger seat with a blue shirt. The only way to know what is there is to enhance the photo. If an expert does this enhancement then maybe all these things are there...maybe none of them. Who are we to say this member is not a video forensics expert or an art director with expert software. Unless you are a forensics video expert then you cannot rule out these things are there. Please keep an open mind and google the images for video forensics. It will open a new world in what may or may not be in the photo.

That being said....if someone alters a photo in any way, we should label it with what techniques we used.

You know what my main argument to this is?

We do not have access to the original photos. Anyone who attempts to enhance the released photos is doing so without a baseline to begin with, since the released photos were enhanced themselves.

So each enhancement done here is done without knowledge of what the previous enhancement was, and therefore cannot take that into account.

It is interesting to note that LE's enhancement did not add the things we've seen on here! And I, for one, believe that a collaborative effort between LE and FBI resulted in the image being as clear as they could make it!

 

[chicken fried]

The pic LE released is so grainy that no one knows what is in the true image under the blur and graininess. Maybe there is a broken window, maybe someone is sitting in the passenger seat with a blue shirt. The only way to know what is there is to enhance the photo. If an expert does this enhancement then maybe all these things are there...maybe none of them. Who are we to say this member is not a video forensics expert or an art director with expert software. Unless you are a forensics video expert then you cannot rule out these things are there. Please keep an open mind and google the images for video forensics. It will open a new world in what may or may not be in the photo.

That being said....if someone alters a photo in any way, we should label it with what techniques we used.

if the member is a video forensics expert, then he/she need to go through the WS verification process. See the TOS. Enhancement is fine. Basic alteration is not.

 

[Chili Fries]

ACI has said there is reason to believe she continued down St Landry toward Coliseum, and we have had multiple locals say they saw what looked like police searches of those areas, so...there is the distinct possibility that whatever happened to Mickey did not happen in the area near the Circle K, but happened further along her route to Coliseum and then north to Congress.

We also know that police are only interested in the Circle K truck which was travelling in the same direction Mickey was (because that is the only photo which police have been saying is pertinent), the other truck and car (or trucks and cars, whatever you believe) are of no interest anymore. And even then we don't know for sure that the truck police are still looking for is involved, just that it hasn't been identified yet.

A big issue in many of these cases is that the public gets a limited amount of info. It's human nature to really scrutinize that but it can also be human nature to overstate it's importance. Hopefully law enforcement have a lot better idea about what may have happened to Mickey than we do but that's obviously yet to be seen.