LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #31

[fairest of them all]

I believe ACI, but he said he hasn't been able to find any.
I want desperately to believe she is in the photo of the hooptie. Riding on the opposite side of the road, and if it is, she cannot be under the truck and neither can her bike...but I am the only one who thinks it might be her and not the reflection off the front of a car with it's headlights off sitting in the parking lot. So, if it isn't her..I have to go back where she is last seen, in the path of the truck in almost the exact same spot it looks like a bike under it.

I wish we could just call le and ask really......like "okay okay okay I got a good question.y'all said she wasn't getting run over in picture of white truck.....is her BIIIIKKKKKE getting run over in the picture. Uh huh good one huh?"

Aci, did they say whether her biiiiike was run over?

 

[Fishin'chick]

Which pic is this from?

 

[mahmoo]

what you ought to be seeing is a continuation of the smooth white lines of the truck. No black trim on this rig. but there is an interruption in the smooth lines of the truck, and it's extreme. It's also the least lit area of the entire image.

YEP ... I see it ... plain as day. Look REAL HARD and the rest of ya will see IT too. Get your bi-focals, tri-focals, binoculars and telescopes out. "It's" there ... keep looking. It's not just a big black over pixelated blob. And we wonder why Mickey's family doesn't want to have any association with our discussion forum.

 

[JurysOut]

If the truck hit the bike and simultaneously slammed on its brakes, then that might explain the bike being there.

But not Mickey. Unless, of course, she was buckled (or otherwise fastened) to the bike...

Had Mickey been hit from behind, her inertia would have continued moving forward.

Given the fact that in the frame we are shown, there is no truck visible; and in the subsequent frame, the supposed "Mickey" figures have moved (by your estimates) only one foot...it simply does not compute. The truck would have to be traveling at an excessively high rate of speed relative to the posted speed limit, and then...coming to a halt, without screeching (because there are no skid marks on the street), thus stopping the bike...but sending Mickey forward.

I'm sorry, I didn't graduate from one of those schools that teaches that the Loch Ness Monster is real, so I'm just not able to buy this line of thinking.

As for the phantom Mickey others are seeing? That's no more Mickey than it is Jesus-on-toast. I'm not going to get into the business of proving a negative, because no one here has proven the affirmative. It's merely a gratuitous assertion and, as such, can easily be countered with an equal-and-opposite gratuitous assertion.

I just want to know WTF is under that wheel. It's an object. I don't claim to know what it is anymore than anyone can prove Mickey ever made it past that intersection.

So to me, Mickey not existing (with proof!) past that intersection plus what the hell is up with that truck axle = further investigation is warranted.

We've been over the timing. It could have been a minute, it could have been three seconds.

If it's so easy to refute, if there's a 6" speed bump there that someone has driven anything over while videotaping it - in the dark - just show me.

If there's a still photo at any time of day of a bump substantial enough to contort a truck axle - just show me.

I promise to be delighted.

People are looking at what we have and working with it. So far, there's nothing that concretely demonstrates they are mistaken. I appreciate their continued efforts and interest. I'm not capable of analyzing images to any significant degree.

Wanting an explanation for what certainly appears to be something amiss with a full size truck axle 3 seconds to a minute after the missing woman is photographed in the same spot for possibly the last time ever doesn't make me a delusional whacko.

It makes me logically curious.

For a while I convinced myself that if conventional wisdom said I was a delusional whacko, maybe they were right. So I stepped away for a couple of weeks.

And I still haven't seen anything to explain the uneven truck axle, even in the unenhanced picture.


I'm gonna leave that there and come back in another couple weeks to see if any concrete evidence to the contrary is available.

If not, my curiosity will still be warranted and valid.

 

[Island hopper]

I believe ACI, but he said he hasn't been able to find any.
I want desperately to believe she is in the photo of the hooptie. Riding on the opposite side of the road, and if it is, she cannot be under the truck and neither can her bike...but I am the only one who thinks it might be her and not the reflection off the front of a car with it's headlights off sitting in the parking lot. So, if it isn't her..I have to go back where she is last seen, in the path of the truck in almost the exact same spot it looks like a bike under it.

In one of the CNN video's they show the pics in a clearer state. You can pause the video and see that she is not there....it is indeed cars in the lot. There is no mistaking it.

 

[fairest of them all]

If she's biking towards the right (in the frame) and she jumps from the bike, there's still no way she winds up 8+ feet behind where she was, on the other side of the sign.



Frankly I'd much rather pursue this hypothesis than any of the Mickey-under-the-truck and Mickey-behind/beneath-the-sign theories. Those don't hold an ounce of water, IMO.

Really can't argue with you there buddy! I like my hypothesis better than anyone's! Ha ha.......let's! Shall we?

 

[Mahouston69]

I can grant the very, very remote possibility of a bike being hit from behind and only moving forward one foot. But let's set that aside for a moment and further break this down.

We've been given two stills: one time-stamped a minute ahead of the other. Now, let's just assume for the sake of this argument that that "one minute" is in fact one second (1:48:59 and 1:49:00). That would mean that in one second, a truck would have had to enter the frame from behind MS (again, at a considerable rate of speed), hit MS, stop on a dime, stop the bike after it travels only one foot in one second, and throw Mickey backwards.

Again, the laws of physics simply do not support this scenario. Even if the truck hit the bike and stopped it on a dime, Mickey would have flown over the handlebars several feet ahead, in a generally forward direction. Even if the truck had merely "clipped" her, she would have made some forward progress in addition to some lateral progress.

I disagree.
It's not remote, it happened yesterday and I think it happened here. I think the nose covers the forward progress that was made by one foot or one foot and half and both Mickey/bike/truck are stopped in the video still of the truck.

I think the time was 1:48:01 of Mickey and 1:49:59 of the truck. There is NO time stamp on the LCG camera. These times were estimated from the time stamp on St. John/Versallius, at 1:47 and the fact the truck was observed following her approximately one minute behind her on those roads. I am going with the truck following a minute behind her.

I think she was stopped, with one foot on the ground in the video still.
I think the truck hit her anywhere from 10-15mph as it approached her and the sign, didn't realize she was stopped and not making forward progress, turned slightly to the left to avoid her and hit her instead.
I think that impact knocked her off her feet, she and the bike fell forward a foot or foot and half, and she fell grasping onto the bike for support to the left, or right and under the truck nose, and or tire.
I think the video still of the truck is in the stopped or almost stopped position, and she is under the nose still clinging or trapped under her bike, or already in the truck.

It is physically possible.

 

[HouDat]

If the truck hit the back rim of the bike, it would have thrown her backwards. If you are riding your bike forward and you hit an object, you are thrown forward towards that object.

The truck would not have hit her body as she was riding but would have hit the back tire. Being that she is not attached to the bike with a seatbelt or something, gravity and the forward movement of the truck would cause her body to end up on top of or to the side of the truck.

Most bicycle accidents that result in damage to the back tire/rim resulted in the rider being thrown backwards into the vehicle.

Fully and respectfully disagree with your first sentence.

Think of bumper cars. You're hit from behind. Your car moves forward and, while your head moves backward, that is only relative to the car you're in. Once the rest of the inertia created by the rear-end accident cycles through, you and the car are both thrown forward.

Same with an auto accident. Whiplash injuries result from the head being thrown backward -- then forward -- violently, in an instant.

I cannot see a scenario where an object or a human would be thrown backward when all of the inertia -- that of the truck (in this instance) and of the cyclist (MS, in this instance) -- is moving in a forward direction. Even if we assume, for the sake of the discussion, that MS was stopped/stationary (which labikegirl, an experienced cyclist, seems to think is not the case, and that MS in fact is moving along at a fair clip), I can see no scenario where MS would wind up 8-12 feet backward from the point of alleged impact.

 

[fairest of them all]

YEP ... I see it ... plain as day. Look REAL HARD and the rest of ya will see IT too. Get your bi-focals, tri-focals, binoculars and telescopes out. "It's" there ... keep looking. It's not just a big black over pixelated blob. And we wonder why Mickey's family doesn't want to have any association with our discussion forum.

I see chrome pipe like running boards......separate ones for front and back

 

[Annie1004]

ACI has said there is reason to believe she was seen on video farther along her route.

I am very confident that whatever happened to her did not happen in front of the Circle K, in those video stills, but happened farther along her route home.

But we have never seen anything past this point, right? How far away was she seen on video after the Circle K? Why is LE so silent? I thought it was sparse in the Sierra LaMar case, but at least LE had their man and LE and the family were much more forthcoming in comparison.

 

[gngr~snap]

I disagree.
It's not remote, it happened yesterday and I think it happened here. I think the nose covers the forward progress that was made by one foot or one foot and half and both Mickey/bike/truck are stopped in the video still of the truck.

I think the time was 1:48:01 of Mickey and 1:49:59 of the truck. There is NO time stamp on the LCG camera. These times were estimated from the time stamp on St. John/Versallius, at 1:47 and the fact the truck was observed following her approximately one minute behind her on those roads. I am going with the truck following a minute behind her.

I think she was stopped, with one foot on the ground in the video still.
I think the truck hit her anywhere from 10-15mph as it approached her and the sign, didn't realize she was stopped and not making forward progress, turned slightly to the left to avoid her and hit her instead.
I think that impact knocked her off her feet, she and the bike fell forward a foot or foot and half, and she fell grasping onto the bike for support to the left, or right and under the truck nose, and or tire.
I think the video still of the truck is in the stopped or almost stopped position, and she is under the nose still clinging or trapped under her bike, or already in the truck.

It is physically possible.

Could be! maybe it wasn't alcohol but txting?...
At least now I don't feel like I am the only one that thinks there is something under that truck! Most of which IMO is the bike headlight!

moo~

 

[aviatrix]

In one of the CNN video's they show the pics in a clearer state. You can pause the video and see that she is not there....it is indeed cars in the lot. There is no mistaking it.

Well, I guess the only thing to do would be to find a white truck, place it a the exact same spot, take a photo with the exact same camer from the exact same place at the exact same time and without a bike under it and with a bike at various places under it and then publish the photos. We could try and recreate what we are debating here. LE is not going to do that because they already know, because they have more photos that they are holding close.

Has anyone else seen that story they are publishing about the guy they think is a related case? It surprised me today to see that. Something about a Virginia case where a young blonde girl was hitch-hiking and was found murdered 10 miles away. They are publishing a photo of what they think the guy looks like. I think this is some FBI ploy ofsome type, but cannot figure out what the heck they are up to. The other thing that is odd to me is publishing photos of MS with different hair color. They did that in the Elizabeth Smart case too. Can anyone give me their ideas on what the FBI is up to - or their thinking -- publishing different haircolor?

 

[mahmoo]

I see chrome pipe like running boards......separate ones for front and back

No doubt that will bust the case wide open.

 

[Cajuntexan]

After watching the Anthony case on F .news last summer
Has there been any talk when her phone last "binged" the cell phone towers?

 

[mahmoo]

Hope Mickey comes home soon. My thoughts & prayers remain with her family and friends.

Good luck sleuthers!!

 

[HouDat]

I just want to know WTF is under that wheel. It's an object. I don't claim to know what it is anymore than anyone can prove Mickey ever made it past that intersection.

I see an irregularity in that photo as well, in the wheel area.

As for the rest, it just defies logic that in addition to all of the physics we've covered, that nobody in LE or the family would have said anything; that nobody at the Circle K would have seen/heard anything, or said anything had they seen/heard something; that no physical evidence was left behind at this alleged point of impact (pavement scratches/scars, DNA, debris from the damaged bike, skid marks, etc.);

Further yet, that there is evidence that MS made it further down her route than the intersection in question (per A.C.I.); yet vigorous discussion still exists over whether or not the intersection in question is the point of impact.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Looks to me like she's not stopped simply because her body is in riding position, leaning forward on the handlebars. If she were stopped her body would probably be standing up straight, or at least a good bit more straight than in riding position.

And to add to what you have said, if Mickey was struck by the truck, she would have been thrown forward and not sucked under the truck that hit her. JMO.

 

[Mahouston69]

In one of the CNN video's they show the pics in a clearer state. You can pause the video and see that she is not there....it is indeed cars in the lot. There is no mistaking it.

Really? CNN has the video of the Hooptie on St. Landry?? Link? I really want to see it.I have two daylight photos, one from google and one from a sleuther. You can see the cars that pull in backwards, down past the Hooptie..on St. Landry, but I don't think it is reflection off the front of the car that is pulled into that spot because of the clear outline of the tires (that I outlined) unless they have the actual video that shows no rider riding.

 

[SteveP]

I may be wrong, and if I am, I am sure I will be called on it, but I dont think "they", meaning the FBI, has ever hinted that they think the suspect in the Morgan Harrington case is related to this case at all...I Think that belief was offered by a reporter of that article, which I think is not MSM, but basically a blog. Also, I dont think the FBI offered pics of Mickey with different colored hair. That was done be her family or friends on her Find Mickey page, I suppose just on the unlikely chance that she has is still alive but her appaearance may have been altered. JMO

 

[justwannahelp]

originally posted by aviatrix

"Has anyone else seen that story they are publishing about the guy they think is a related case? It surprised me today to see that. Something about a Virginia case where a young blonde girl was hitch-hiking and was found murdered 10 miles away. They are publishing a photo of what they think the guy looks like. I think this is some FBI ploy ofsome type, but cannot figure out what the heck they are up to. The other thing that is odd to me is publishing photos of MS with different hair color. They did that in the Elizabeth Smart case too. Can anyone give me their ideas on what the FBI is up to - or their thinking -- publishing different haircolor?"

i can't find this story. do you have a link? the media thinks it's related to MS?