LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #31

[HouDat]

Why does your model have the truck traveling so fast? I've shown that LE said the truck "turned onto Saint Landry directly behind Mickey", quoted from the found bike press conference. IMO you need to slow your model truck down to about 10 MPH, maybe less, if making a right turn from University.
We should be in first gear here.

Again (sorry to be redundantly repetitive or repetitively redundant here), I was responding to a specific notion that the two frames we were given by LE was a "before and after" pic of MS actually being hit (in the span of 1-4 seconds), where some were asserting that she was hit as she was moving forward, and fell backwards.

In order for that to happen, several physics-defying phenomena would have had to occur, including the truck moving at a nice clip (so as to hit her in virtually the exact same spot she's seen in the first frame).

That some are wandering off into the weeds in trying to refute that tells me that they're not paying close enough attention to why the physics concepts were presented, originally.

Anyway, to your point (and again, to repeat myself): if we're talking 30+ seconds between frames, then the majority of the physics discussion becomes irrelevant.

 

[dontbringmedownbruce]

I have to wonder how many, if any of these times are right.

BW said they left Artmosphere at 12:44 (to go about a mile to his house on Ryan).
They were on video at TB at 1:24. (a 5 min drive from Ryan St.)
Mickey left Ryan St at 1:44?

Mickey was hungry and not feeling well and it took about 35 minutes to bike 0.9 miles, lock bikes and get in the car?

Maybe TB time is wrong. Or else BW is wrong or the video stills.*********Or they sat around hungry for a little while for some reason before they left to get food*********.

Stars added by me because I'm not sure how to bold on my kindle.. okay..this is JMOO but if MS liked to toke (hence the pipe) and was not feeling well, she would take 5-10mins to smoke a bowl before Taco Bell. That's what I would personally do, JMHO

 

[Chili Fries]

Maybe the posters that were taken down were torn, wet, damaged...

No the guy is mentally disturbed. Unfortunately in his anti-graffiti vigilantism he does things like painting over legitimate murals on private property and covering people's vehicles or brick walls with his trademark grey paint, which does even more damage than graffiti, instead of letting private property owners remove graffiti in ways that do the least damage. He thinks he can do whatever he wants. He has been ordered by the court to stop painting private property without permission but there's nothing that can be done about something like him removing Mickey's flyers.

 

[mamacat]

I have to wonder how many, if any of these times are right.

BW said they left Artmosphere at 12:44 (to go about a mile to his house on Ryan).
They were on video at TB at 1:24. (a 5 min drive from Ryan St.)
Mickey left Ryan St at 1:44?

Mickey was hungry and not feeling well and it took about 35 minutes to bike 0.9 miles, lock bikes and get in the car?

Maybe TB time is wrong. Or else BW is wrong or the video stills.Or they sat around hungry for a little while for some reason before they left to get food.

The time scenario you outlined doesn't seem odd to me. Louisiana life flows at a slower pace. I moved there many years ago from a fast-paced town, and remember feeling kinda frustrated at the relatively slow, lazy pace people took - especially when I went shopping for things. Then I grew to love and accept it. If BW and MS were romantically involved (which they appear NOT to have been) then I'd be thinking they were snuggling up together before going for Taco Bell...but I guess they were just talking and perhaps debating about where to go for something to eat. :waitasec:

 

[concentric]

I think someone might have a hard time explaining how the rear tire incurred the damage.

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Not really.

I think someone might have a hard time explaining that those pictured video stills are:

in sequential order

because I think the DWT could have hit the bike and backed up to where it is pictured in the still. The bike slid under the DWT.

As others have said, maybe she was grabbed by someone else on foot further up on the route.

 

[HouDat]

I agree with you that I don't think she flew 8 feet behind the point of impact, but I do think it's possible that she was hit, rolled up onto the hood, then possibly off the side onto the ground.

I can confidently say that she is not on the ground in FRONT of the truck. So, if that IS her bike under the truck, and she is not on the ground in front of the truck, then WHERE is she?

I can agree with all of this, as long as those who were asserting that she was struck in the position she's shown in (in the LCG/Circle K screencap) concede that position.

If she was struck closer to University, then I can easily see the rest of your scenario panning out perfectly.

If she was struck in the position where she's shown in that pic, then the rest of the scenario becomes an impossibility.

Question for any and all: CS, in an interview, mentioned recognizing MS's mannerisms, physiology, etc. from a video provided by LE. Where was that video cam situated?

 

[Unscripted]

We could go aalll the way back to my Perp On Foot theory. Someone quietly steps out of a shadow, knocks or grabs MS off of her bike, takes MS and the bike into a nearby residence, closed business or dark driveway, dumps the bike later. If it happened at the end of that municipal parking lot it could explain why it's out of frame and why Mickey doesn't appear anywhere else.

Someone on foot or another bike could have jammed a pole through the back wheel of the bicycle (causing damage to the spokes) and knocked her off with the hope of just grabbing her purse. Vagrants or young punks. Perhaps things went horribly wrong and they had to go home and get daddy’s 4WD to go out to Whiskey Bay and get rid of the evidence? Maybe there was no DWT involvement at all?

Looking at the route again (with your compliant Mr. Google) she could have cut through the LCG parking lot to Azalea having made a mid-journey decision to scootch over to Souvenir Gate. Someone asks her for a light or the time…

 

[HouDat]

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Not really.

I think someone might have a hard time explaining that those pictured video stills are:

in sequential order

Very valid point. However I was granting that LE had given us correct info regarding sequencing and time stamping of the pics. If you'll go back to where I became involved in the discussion, you'll see that I was trying to dispel a very specific interpretation of what we're seeing, based on some very specific "facts" being assumed by those making said interpretations.

 

[waiting1979]

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<you are correct in this case... the timestamps on university are very telling...
not what times the cars passed...
the fact that one says 1:49:38 and the other says 1:51:27 says a lot about the frame-rate... we know there are many more pics or video from this camera based on those times...

if one was at 1:49:38 and the other at 1:51:38... we might assume it snaps a pic at lest once per minute

the fact they they are at odd times to each other says at least one pic snapped per second and possibly full motion video is available to them

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<have not had time to read and catch up today but here are some of my findings on the pics...

My level of expertise in graphic design/editing software is expert/professional.

first pic of bike...
vehicle 15-20 yards behind bike pointing in same direction slowing or possibly stopped in loading zone... headlights appear off... braking based on light cast from rear of vehicle
...she is riding in the middle of the only lane in that direction.

second pic of bike (circle k)... appears she rode through a red light to cross University as it appears green in the other direction... there is no traffic...
... she is riding in the middle of the only lane in that direction...

pic of truck (circle K-following) pic is cropped and cannot see the state of the traffic light... the timeline might indicate truck had to wait for red light but was following per previous bike pic. same timeline as bike passing based on gas station patrons/movement

pic of truck (circle k-leaving) truck left turn lane slowing for red light.
tailgate is up per the fact we can see the license plate light which would be obstructed by a down tailgate... based on angles of reflection from upper backlighting, appears to have a white bed cover and dark upper window visors... possible off kilter fuel door enough to reflect light differently, or possible aftermarket. based on turning location, truck should appear on university camera in less than a minute dependent on the length of wait time at current red light

person leaning on car getting gas...
person in white t appears running toward store, possibly a passenger based on angle subject is moving away from car, fuel door most likely on passenger side of vehicle)

truck pic (university) truck appears clean, tires reflect light (possibly just shined) possible paved road travel only to this point per shiny tires... dark upper window visors reflecting light, possible white bed cover, 5 spoke wheels possibly stock. license plate appears flat (printed, not stamped) per even reflection, appears white with red upper lettering possibly similar to california's.

i need to go for a bit but will look more into them later... from what I have reviewed so far the truck appears to be the same truck in all pics, though i have read all your arguments about different trucks as the do certainly "appear" to be as was my opinion also "before i took them apart"... once i have time to bust out my slide-rule to get an accurate timeline i can contribute more

this is all of course, my opinion and could be wrong... but i am good at what i do... (i still have my waxer from when cut and paste meant "cut and paste") in no way could i upload all my work, but if anybody has a specific argument to any of this i will try to take the time to address it... but lets keep the argument civil and stay on point and we can work on this together...

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does it look like the same truck to you?

(thanks so much for your work on this as well )


bbm: (re: the wife part gave me a giggle.. I think Mister Nurse would say the same thing haha)
no and yes... but to my software it does... and we know the truck turned left and we know the university cam snaps at least once per second based on its timestamps so the left turning truck will HAVE TO PASS IT and WILL get its picture taken...

facts

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<this is moving too fast for me... please go back and read my post about my pic findings...

window visors on truck
vehicle with lights off following bike in first pic
etc... much of what i found has not been discussed as far as i've seen

please take a look... i spent time on this i don't have and if anyone would like me to continue to... at least take a look a my findings thus far....


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[Foxfire]

No the guy is mentally disturbed. Unfortunately in his anti-graffiti vigilantism he does things like painting over legitimate murals on private property and covering people's vehicles or brick walls with his trademark grey paint, which does even more damage than graffiti, instead of letting private property owners remove graffiti in ways that do the least damage. He thinks he can do whatever he wants. He has been ordered by the court to stop painting private property without permission but there's nothing that can be done about something like him removing Mickey's flyers.

One of the warriors in the missing/murdered community is Janice Smolinski. Her son Billy was murdered and the perp convicted, but his remains were never located.
Her nickname by LE was chiwawa, because she was consistently biting at their ankles in her relentless search for Justice...

She was actually arrested on trumped up charges charges due to hanging Billy's missing person flyers on telephone poles.
deja vu...



http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/23/nation/la-na-missing24-2010feb24

House passes 'Billy's Law' on missing persons
A measure named for Janice Smolinski's son, who disappeared in 2004, would help expand the database of missing people and unidentified remains, partly by requiring the FBI to share what it knows.
February 23, 2010|By Richard Simon

 

[Soulmagent]

Okay...what if LE announces today that Mickie's bike IS under the truck? Then what? Does that solve anything, anything at all? Or even if they say Mickie is under the truck?? How does that help find her?

ETA: Okay, it might tell us that she did not willingly go with someone. The whoever hit her chose to take her away rather than call 911. But the trail would be just as cold, assuming it is cold.

I think it would be a huge step in possibily finding her.

If they said it was her bike ,and she was under the truck it leads to motive for her disapearance and suspects. It would tell us what kinds of evidence that LE is looking for and that people could have information about the person who hit her and not have put it together . If she was hit and under the truck that is.

Right now we dont know what is under the truck and the photos dont mean much to us . To the correct person however this photo could mean everything in solving this case. However unclear the LE presenting it to us it may seem I do believe they know what they are putting out there. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

One of the warriors in the missing/murdered community is Janice Smolinski. Her son Billy was murdered and the perp convicted, but his remains were never located.
Her nickname by LE was chiwawa, because she was consistently biting at their ankles in her relentless search for Justice...

She was actually arrested on trumped up charges charges due to hanging Billy's missing person flyers on telephone poles.
deja vu...



http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/23/nation/la-na-missing24-2010feb24

House passes 'Billy's Law' on missing persons
A measure named for Janice Smolinski's son, who disappeared in 2004, would help expand the database of missing people and unidentified remains, partly by requiring the FBI to share what it knows.
February 23, 2010|By Richard Simon

I don't think anyone was tried or convicted in Billy's case...JMO

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/03/30/news/doc4f763c1fd5700191540959.txt

 

[mmiles1003]

I've been reading this forum since thread #1. I've spent a lot of time wasting away in front of my computer screen reading everyones thoughts and opinions. I would literally read each and every post on every thread.. until the "Mickey under truck" theories started emerging.

I'm sorry. I'm really not trying to offend anyone but this theory is just NOT possible. I'm not even saying that because of pyshics or how far her bike could have/should have moved. I'm saying this because there is NO WAY the police department would have overlooked such CRUCIAL evidence in Mickeys disappearance. Even if the video stills are not continuous, it would STILL have been seen. I know a lot of you are editing the pictures, some of you may even have advanced skills in doing so, but what makes you think the police department does not have someone to do that for them with skills far superior than any of us?

I just cannot believe the police department, their private investigator, ACI, the family, and millions of others who have seen the picture of the truck would MISS something like this. Not to mention, all of the people who are at the circkle K! I might not be super observant all the time, but i'm pretty damn sure id see someone on a bike getting hit, and then the driver of the vehicle getting out of the car, picking her AND the bike up and putting them inside the truck. It's just not possible.

I really feel that this thread has lost some of validity based on the truck theory. I know I have found myself skipping over posts and even whole pages just to find something based on fact.

Sorry if this offends someone (and i'm sure it will) but i've been stewing over this for days now and had to get this off of my chest.

 

[waiting1979]

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Wow, thanks for reposting this because I didn't see it.

wodalo, if you're here, please talk more about the first pic of Mickey. I didn't see anyone following her in that pic! Can you put up an enhanced version and point it out?
<i am a little behind today... i am hoping someone else here can do that for me/you...
understand... on tv when trying to enhance a bad photo they may push the enhance button a few times and end up with a clear picture... it may start there but ends up as something less "visual"... picture an actual heart beating... then picture a sine wave on an ekg... the ekg is just showing a mathematical representation of this beating heart but can tell us a lot more than just "looking" at a heart... somebody here can probably "photoshop" them clearer for you, but I am looking at the picture's "ekg" as well as the photo itself...

that being said... in the first pic of the bike there is a signature of a car about 15 yards behind her but you cant "see" it. the headlights produce a only a reflection from ambient lighting and are clearly off. This is a single lane in this direction and a vehicle should not be parked there. once looking at the right area, you can "see" what appears to be a light source behind it, based on the shadow cast by the vehicle, it appears to be brake lights...

think 15 yards behind her and look again... it is small... top edge on the right
http://findmickeynow.com/mickey3.jpeg

hope that helped...
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Hey guys I've read most all posts on all threads and want to chime in on the white truck pictures. I live in Baton Rouge and Mickey's disappearance is a HOT topic, I pray for her safe return.

My husband works with cars/trucks for over 20 years.I would call him an expert that can tell you make/model/year of most GM/Chevrolet vehicles since 1950's. He agrees with Chicken Fried's assessment of the car, it's not a Cadillac, most likely an Oldsmobile.

I've seen several posts about the white trucks and want to share some observations from the pictures.

The truck in this picture http://findmickeynow.com/pic1.jpg AND the truck in this picturehttp://findmickeynow.com/mickey2.jpeg near Circle K are quite possibly the same truck.
Both pictures show a 2004-2006 Crew Cab GMC/Chevrolet with aftermarket 20"-22" rim with a white hard bed cover. dark tinted windows all the way around, chrome door handles and possible chrome gas door. Those are the only years that body style was offered as a crew cab with a short bed. These trucks are half-tons b/c they did not have a full 6ft. bed. The picture is too blury in the Cirlcle K pic to see a bed cover.

The truck in this picture http://findmickeynow.com/mickey2.jpeg is a 2007-2009 Chevrolet Crew Cab with factory rims, possibly a Z-71. If it has a bed cover it is NOT white.

ABSOLUTELY NOT THE SAME TRUCK AS THE OTHER 2 PICTURES!
Based on this information, any speculation that the same white truck was pictured twice at the Circle K going in different directions would be incorrect.
ask your husband about this please... I am not a "car guy"

this pic gives a similar signature based on wheels, front appear convex, rear are concave, rear stance, and rear quarter panels as this type of vehicle...
http://www.esquire.com/media/cm/esqu...hd-0708-lg.jpg
i agree, the other two do not...

tell hubby thanks...
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I think we mostly can agree now that it's June 28th that 3 different trucks were pictured. I think the one with the yellowish tint and the covered bed is a light duty late model Chevy, 4 cyl. Only a year or two old.

It's pretty hard to see a truck with it's lights off in a black and white pic, but LE says they can see one on Versailles. I wonder if it's what is shown faintly in the upper left hand side of the black rectangle.

I'm also wondering why we had a second counter on the timestamp early on. That info is hard to come by now.

 

[courtneyb]

I've been reading this forum since thread #1. I've spent a lot of time wasting away in front of my computer screen reading everyones thoughts and opinions. I would literally read each and every post on every thread.. until the "Mickey under truck" theories started emerging.

I'm sorry. I'm really not trying to offend anyone but this theory is just NOT possible. I'm not even saying that because of pyshics or how far her bike could have/should have moved. I'm saying this because there is NO WAY the police department would have overlooked such CRUCIAL evidence in Mickeys disappearance. Even if the video stills are not continuous, it would STILL have been seen. I know a lot of you are editing the pictures, some of you may even have advanced skills in doing so, but what makes you think the police department does not have someone to do that for them with skills far superior than any of us?


I just cannot believe the police department, their private investigator, ACI, the family, and millions of others who have seen the picture of the truck would MISS something like this. Not to mention, all of the people who are at the circkle K! I might not be super observant all the time, but i'm pretty damn sure id see someone on a bike getting hit, and then the driver of the vehicle getting out of the car, picking her AND the bike up and putting them inside the truck. It's just not possible.

I really feel that this thread has lost some of validity based on the truck theory. I know I have found myself skipping over posts and even whole pages just to find something based on fact.

Sorry if this offends someone (and i'm sure it will) but i've been stewing over this for days now and had to get this off of my chest.

Impossible seeming scenarios happen all the time. You wouldn't think it would be possible for someone to just vanish into thin air, leaving behind no evidence, but, sadly, it happens all too often. People make mistakes and miss things; things snowball into a perfect storm of sorts.

The biggest problem with this case is that we just don't KNOW or NOT KNOW anything for a fact. IMO, of course.:maddening:

 

[waiting1979]

I've been reading this forum since thread #1. I've spent a lot of time wasting away in front of my computer screen reading everyones thoughts and opinions. I would literally read each and every post on every thread.. until the "Mickey under truck" theories started emerging.

I'm sorry. I'm really not trying to offend anyone but this theory is just NOT possible. I'm not even saying that because of pyshics or how far her bike could have/should have moved. I'm saying this because there is NO WAY the police department would have overlooked such CRUCIAL evidence in Mickeys disappearance. Even if the video stills are not continuous, it would STILL have been seen. I know a lot of you are editing the pictures, some of you may even have advanced skills in doing so, but what makes you think the police department does not have someone to do that for them with skills far superior than any of us?

I just cannot believe the police department, their private investigator, ACI, the family, and millions of others who have seen the picture of the truck would MISS something like this. Not to mention, all of the people who are at the circkle K! I might not be super observant all the time, but i'm pretty damn sure id see someone on a bike getting hit, and then the driver of the vehicle getting out of the car, picking her AND the bike up and putting them inside the truck. It's just not possible.

I really feel that this thread has lost some of validity based on the truck theory. I know I have found myself skipping over posts and even whole pages just to find something based on fact.

Sorry if this offends someone (and i'm sure it will) but i've been stewing over this for days now and had to get this off of my chest.

I call em as I see em. You are free to post your own theories, or build on others.

 

[Unscripted]

I've been reading this forum since thread #1. I've spent a lot of time wasting away in front of my computer screen reading everyones thoughts and opinions. I would literally read each and every post on every thread.. until the "Mickey under truck" theories started emerging.

I'm sorry. I'm really not trying to offend anyone but this theory is just NOT possible. I'm not even saying that because of pyshics or how far her bike could have/should have moved. I'm saying this because there is NO WAY the police department would have overlooked such CRUCIAL evidence in Mickeys disappearance. Even if the video stills are not continuous, it would STILL have been seen. I know a lot of you are editing the pictures, some of you may even have advanced skills in doing so, but what makes you think the police department does not have someone to do that for them with skills far superior than any of us?

I just cannot believe the police department, their private investigator, ACI, the family, and millions of others who have seen the picture of the truck would MISS something like this. Not to mention, all of the people who are at the circkle K! I might not be super observant all the time, but i'm pretty damn sure id see someone on a bike getting hit, and then the driver of the vehicle getting out of the car, picking her AND the bike up and putting them inside the truck. It's just not possible.

I really feel that this thread has lost some of validity based on the truck theory. I know I have found myself skipping over posts and even whole pages just to find something based on fact.

Sorry if this offends someone (and i'm sure it will) but i've been stewing over this for days now and had to get this off of my chest.

Agree 100%, no bike under the truck. Unfortunately though, not too many known facts…

Welcome to Stew-ville!

:welcome:

 

[justwannahelp]

Maybe the posters that were taken down were torn, wet, damaged...

yes. i have noticed that you are very good at putting yourself in the minds of both sides of arguments. they were probably wet, so not useful, so he took them down. let's hope this is the case.

 

[De2385]

Dang, another petitie white blonde. I guess she could have went anywhere after 1pm. I hate to think she was snatched in the daylight, cause thats one brave person to do that. I still can't shake the feeling that this is a web of people abducting these girls. Not positive, just keep thinking about it. JMO

I am beginning to believe this too.

 

[Foxfire]

yes. i have noticed that you are very good at putting yourself in the minds of both sides of arguments. they were probably wet, so not useful, so he took them down. let's hope this is the case.

"If this was the case Mr. Radtke, would have responded to the interviewers questions as to why he was removing the Mickey Schunick Missing Person Flyer, imo"..
Maybe he was shooting for another award or his face on another Magazine cover..
" Mr. Radtke, should be ashamed"!

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