LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette, 19 May 2012 - #7

[Woe.be.gone]

Is TES still in town? Wonder if they used the side sonar or whatever it is called? Were any TES searchers at Whisky Bay?

Here's the link to TES's updates ~ http://texasequusearch.org/

 

[Isabelle]

And tell me, what on earth makes anyone think that it's possible that Mickey just left of her own accord? Was she having problems at home, at college?

It happens. Don't know if it is a possibility here. Sometimes problems seem so big and bad to one's ownself and they are actually seen as trivial by family and friends. If she did try to get away for whatever reason, that would be preferable to many of the alternatives.

 

[cluciano63]

If my memory is correct, between 6 to 8 hours passed before Mickey was missed by her friends & family. Even more time had passed before LE was notified and due to it being Sunday, resources were minimal.. Planned or opportunist?

I don't think anyone could have known she wouldn't be expected at home and that someone might be waiting up for her. Unless of course it was someone who knew her well.

 

[Isabelle]

Here's the link to TES's updates ~ http://texasequusearch.org/

Last update 5/26!??

 

[mamamia54]

Now I can see what LE might have been seeing that would tie into the Lauren Spierer case, however, I highly doubt it.

Mouton said police have been able to piece together Shunick's last known whereabouts, based on information from friends and recorded transactions. Shunick was at Artmosphere Bistro from 10:13 p.m. Friday to 12:44 a.m. Saturday, then was at a Taco Bell on West Congress at 1:24 a.m. Saturday. Brettly Wilson, Shunick's friend and the last person known to have seen her, has said previously that the two went to the Taco Bell drive-through, then went back to his home at 100 Ryan St. to eat.

Shunick's cellphone was last used at 1:31 a.m. Saturday, Mouton said, when a friend called her. Since that time, there has been no activity on the phone. Because of the phone's make and model, police are not able to signal it to try to determine a more specific location.
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20120526/NEWS01/205260334/Police-map-Mickey-s-route

 

[concernedformickey]

This suspect has used one of the most common local truck models to abduct a commonly known (and loved) local female and then apparently stashed what could be referred to as the main piece of evidence at a commonly used local dumping ground that resides directly under the local interstate.

All that preceded were my own opinions.​

I agree with most of this. But still don't answer how any of us can assert that he/them took off with her in that common truck model. We don't know that she in those trucks. Right?

 

[chicken fried]

It happens. Don't know if it is a possibility here. Sometimes problems seem so big and bad to one's ownself and they are actually seen as trivial by family and friends. If she did try to get away for whatever reason, that would be preferable to many of the alternatives.

Very, very unlikely. Mickey and Charlie are close as can be. She would have made contact by now, if she were able.

 

[Frogzilla]

I hate to have to even imagine the scenario, but it would not take much to get Mickey and the bike in under a minute. Clip the back of the bike with the car or truck fender; the bike and rider go down; ease past and be out the door quickly. Bike in back (if a pickup truck), dazed rider in front. Anyone who would do this kind of thing will have a weapon to guarantee captive does not escape.

If MS willingly got into a vehicle and agreed to put the bike in it, how long would that alone take? I would estimate the bare minimum to be 45 seconds, enough time to say Hello back and forth, then to discuss a possible ride home and putting the bike into the vehicle. - local perp
Bumping her off the bike would take at least as long to subdue her, gather her items and double check to make sure nobody is watching. Would also have to consider why nobody saw anything, why there was no blood left behind and why would somebody risk this in a city street. If knocked from her bike it would not take much for her to break her arm or wrist. - anyone could be perp
Cutting her off on the road would be a similar notion to bumping her, but the problem there is you would immediately draw attention to yourself by making a suspicious move on the street. - anyone could be perp
Somebody on the street working with a nearby vehicle would need to have intent to kidnap because they could just ride the bike away. - local perp
She could of been lured to a nearby home or secluded area and subdued, like walking into a spider's web. -local perp
She could of passed out anywhere along her route and gotten scooped up. - anybody
She could of stopped at a nearby friend's house. - local perp
She could of ran away.
That is so many possibilities to explore before even thinking about where she eventually went. I hope with a week's worth of investigating and now having the bike, LE is able to narrow down some possibilities. This case does have a very local feel to it. I doubt the bike was dumped during the getaway with MS in the vehicle, why toss it if it was already concealed. The possibilities are endless here, although I am curious if the bike was later placed as a misdirection because searches may have been focused on an area he did not want. It is also possible that the bike was damaged on purpose later on to make people think that an accident scenario is likely, while the perp could be somebody she knows.

 

[Mdaisys]

OR someone she knew.

This could be the case, but I wonder why she would accept a ride from somebody she knew when she was already on her way home. If she didn't feel up to the ride, wouldn't she have asked Brettly to drive her home in the first place?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't think anyone could have known she wouldn't be expected at home and that someone might be waiting up for her. Unless of course it was someone who knew her well.

That's a good point.
My mom would have gone to the graduation ceremony with a very heavy heart and under great duress if one of her children had not shown up and could not be reached. In other words, she would be in a panic because it would be so unusual as we always call when we're running late when there is an event or a named time to meet up. One time I was late to Easter services and my parents were sitting there in a near panic because the service had started before I arrived. A little over worried on their part but if I hadn't shown up, they'd be on it immediately.

Everyone is different though. But the fact that she missed a graduation would be highly suspect as to an accident or something.

Now, back in the day, if it had been my husband with his family, they may not have been proactive right away because they had six kids and not all of them were reliable, etc. The fact that MS was reliable has me confused.

Had hospitals been checked asap?

 

[Foxfire]

I guess when I try to understand the whole fantasy gone out of control aspect, I still don't get how exactly they incorporate seeing videos of the grieving families into their lives. It shocks me. If they repeat the act aren't they therefore okay with it?

Yes, concernedformickey, they are not like you or me, they are psychopaths with no conscience, nor human emotions.. Their victims are only disposable toys for their entertainment. For them it is about control. Emulating God, by having the power of life or death over others, while causing pain & terror, either directly and indirectly.

Evil Mask of Normalcy'...
As in any culture, or in any community spread across this great Nation, there are those who refuse or are unable to adapt to a civilized society, skirting the rules and laws that guide the rest of us through life. Fortunately they are the exception rather than the rule.
Due to their selfish need to fulfill their evil desires or sexual fantasies, their lack of empathy for others, as well as their self assurance of remaining anonymous or stealth by hiding behind their masks of normalcy (at least in the darkness of their delusional minds), they resort to the unimaginable, or unconscionable..
These psycopathetic predators, who know no boundaries of sanity, prey on unsuspecting innocent victims. Many of these predators hone their skills with each innocent victim devoured, increasing confidence and causing escalation.
Although, most of these predators have an uncanning ability to shield their motives, their expressionless face, hiding behind their fake smiles, combined with their lifeless eyes can not conceal their lies and rouses..

The only effective weapon that we all possess, is detection: Be cautious, adhere to personal Safety rules, and Trust your 'Natural Born Instincts'.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

Key here is whether Mickey always rode against traffic. that makes it a lot harder to do the bump and grab!

She was riding with traffic in the photo LE released.

 

[chicken fried]

Cutting her off on the road would be a similar notion to bumping her, but the problem there is you would immediately draw attention to yourself by making a suspicious move on the street. - anyone could be perp
Somebody on the street working with a nearby vehicle would need to have intent to kidnap because they could just ride the bike away. - local perp
She could of been lured to a nearby home or secluded area and subdued, like walking into a spider's web. -local perp
She could of passed out anywhere along her route and gotten scooped up. - anybody
She could of stopped at a nearby friend's house. - local perp
She could of ran away

In order: the area was deserted at 2 a.m. Lafayette streets get amazingly quiet at that hour, even some bigger ones. Doubtful anyone would have seen any suspicious move by the perp.

Working with a nearby vehicle, why ride the bike away? It would have gone in the bed/trunk, or been left there.

I'm not sure what would lure her anywhere, unless it was someone she knew. Maybe someone she knew pulled up alongside? Possible.

Passed out and scooped up? Probably not. Brettly said she wasn't drinking that night. She may have felt sick and tired, but she was in good physical shape and young. The only caveat would have been if she were slipped something in food or drink that MADE her feel sick and like going home. I'd be curious to know if she ate or drank anything at Artmosphere - even water. BUT, you'd think that if she was slipped something, it would have taken effect by the time they got home and drove to Taco Bell. So, not likely.

Stopped at a friend's house? Maybe.... but there were no other messages on her phone. I kind of doubt she would bike to another friend's house after telling Brettly she was going home... and feeling sick.

Run away? Very unlikely. She was very close with her family and her brother was graduating, and by now with the national attention, if she had any conscience at all and saw her tormented family, she would have made contact. And everyone who has known her has said she as happy and pretty stable.

 

[CHERIE.T]

was hoping she'd be found today.

 

[Jbiggoose]

Does anybody know how much effect tides have in this area? It is close to the gulf. We've seen other cases where tides can have an effect on river flow/levels.

There is definitely tidal effects in the basin. Current is caused by the tide either ebbing or flowing. Remember yesterday the "current" was too strong for divers to dive?

 

[Questioning]

I guess when I try to understand the whole fantasy gone out of control aspect, I still don't get how exactly they incorporate seeing videos of the grieving families into their lives. It shocks me. If they repeat the act aren't they therefore okay with it?

Most serial killers and other violent criminals have what's called antisocial personality disorder (synonymous with sociopathy or psychopathy), meaning that they don't have the capacity to experience empathy. They work for their own satisfaction and are literally MISSING a conscience or ability to feel another's pain. Sad and scary indeed.

Wikipedia is not the best source but I checked and their description for this is as accurate as the DSM...

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder"]Antisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[who knew?]

:maddening:

This could be the case, but I wonder why she would accept a ride from somebody she knew when she was already on her way home. If she didn't feel up to the ride, wouldn't she have asked Brettly to drive her home in the first place?

Exactly - so then we have to go back to Brettly's house and find out the specifics. Did he offer to take her? Did she ask him to take her? Maybe he'd been drinking and she didn't want him to chance a DUI. Why didn't she just stay the night on the couch at Brettly's house (since they were close friends). Did they argue before she left and that's why she rode her bike home? Were there other guys who she was interested in or who were interested in her? She would probably trust them even if she didn't want a relationship with them. I don't know that we have been told the specifics of her final 15 minutes at Brettly's home - and knowing that might give us a clue as to what was in her mind as she started her trip home.

 

[chicken fried]

She was riding with traffic in the photo LE released.

Thanks, I got corrected earlier. That does contradict whoever said she always rode against traffic. I tell you, if I were riding a bike in Lafayette, I SURE would ride against traffic to see who was coming at me texting and driving. Some ridiculously bad drivers here. Combined with the horrible crazy-quilt roads and the influx of new people after Katrina, Lafayette is the worst driving situation I have ever seen, anywhere. Like the Wild West.

 

[chicken fried]

There is definitely tidal effects in the basin. Current is caused by the tide either ebbing or flowing. Remember yesterday the "current" was too strong for divers to dive?

I'm not sure where they come from. It's awful far from the Gulf, and the Basin spreads wide and you'd think it would act as a buffer, like a shock absorber. But you are right about the divers. I am probably wrong.

But I think if the bike was dumped off I-10, it probably hit at about the shoreline, NOT in deep water. The water's pretty low right now due to drought. The rain may have moved it a bit.

 

[chicken fried]

Exactly - so then we have to go back to Brettly's house and find out the specifics. Did he offer to take her? Did she ask him to take her? Maybe he'd been drinking and she didn't want him to chance a DUI. Why didn't she just stay the night on the couch at Brettly's house (since they were close friends). Did they argue before she left and that's why she rode her bike home? Were there other guys who she was interested in or who were interested in her? She would probably trust them even if she didn't want a relationship with them. I don't know that we have been told the specifics of her final 15 minutes at Brettly's home - and knowing that might give us a clue as to what was in her mind as she started her trip home.

All of this is valid inquiry. Probably the police know more.... from the 16 hours or questioning.