Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

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  • #821
What where? Can you post a link?

Sorry, here's the link. http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

"According to sources, Terri Horman had described being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her by having an extra-marital relationship."

Why I'm still thinking on this is because I wonder who Kaine had an affair with. How involved of an affair did he have? When Terri was pregnant or after? I want to know if that person has been checked out too. I'm trying to keep an open mind here when all signs point to TH but she isn't a hands on killer.

The main thrill of this information for me is the hope that KYRON could still be alive. TH wanted Kaine dead but not Kyron is what I'm hoping.
 
  • #822
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  • #823
Here are a few of my thoughts on this case..I certainly think that TH was trying to get the landscaper to feel sorry for her, I have had plenty of peeps mow my grass, not one time have I ever carried out a conversation about my family or my marriage, so she must have been talking alot to him for him to get that much info out of her and for her to feel comfortable with him to ask him to kill her husband...I am in no way saying that she way having an affair with him but this is also not a casual friendship....I have also thought about this for days so please don't shoot me, but every time I hear about her saying the cat is OK could this be code for a possible horrible name that she possible called him....I am not about to type what I think that name could have been...

Kimmer, IIRC the cat reference is because TH posted that Kitty (her daughter) was missing Kyron. People mistook that for a real cat that was missing. TH posted "the cat is ok".
 
  • #824
I don't know if it shows a motive for terri.I think it just shows he wasn't as good either.They really should look at both sides.It's about time.
 
  • #825
Thread open.... post according to the rules.
 
  • #826
Well, this puts a dog amongst the cheeseburgers doesn't it?????
 
  • #827
Why I'm still thinking on this is because I wonder who Kaine had an affair with. How involved of an affair did he have? When Terri was pregnant or after? I want to know if that person has been checked out too. I'm trying to keep an open mind here when all signs point to TH but she isn't a hands on killer.

The main thrill of this information for me is the hope that KYRON could still be alive. TH wanted Kaine dead but not Kyron is what I'm hoping.

At this time we ONLY have Terri saying Kaine had an affair.. At this time I'm thinking Terri may lie a whole lot..And I'm not convinced Terri didn't want Kyron dead or that he isn't...JMO
 
  • #828
Well, this puts a dog amongst the cheeseburgers doesn't it?????

LOL Drats, I have to go make some. :banghead: I thought of not going to the BBQ but I have almost all the food !

See you guys tonight. Sleuth on ;}
 
  • #829
I found what I bolded in red very interesting. The real reason always shines through.

Sorry SuziQ, I have no clue what the REAL reason is. I think Terri may have an obsessed hatred for kaine - a need for some kind of retribution, maybe due to her son needing to leave the home. If insurance policies were involved, important to remember they work both ways. I doubt Terri would get ins. money for Kyron, she is not the biological mom, Desiree is. moo
 
  • #830
At this time we ONLY have Terri saying Kaine had an affair.. At this time I'm thinking Terri may lie a whole lot..And I'm not convinced Terri didn't want Kyron dead or that he isn't...JMO

Was that reported today, that Kaine had an affair?
I missed that somewhere.
 
  • #831
The federal crime in the U.S. Code doesn't apply to the states. The states have to have their own misprision of felony laws.

IOW, if the crime X fails to report is a federal crime, it falls under the U.S.C.A. (United States Code Annotated). If the crime is a state crime, state law applies.

wouldn't the crime have to be actually committed? No crime against Kaine has been committed.

I don't see what his crime is except "stupid" if he stayed with SM after asking him if he would do that kind of a crime. He might be next in the future or maybe even earlier.
 
  • #832
For those interested, here is a profile of a murder for hire person (mastermind) - and the doer.

~~SNIP~~

Unlike rapists, sex murderers, pathological fire setters, and pedophiles, murder-for-hire masterminds do not conform to a general psychological profile.[/B}

http://jimfisher.edinboro.edu/hire/overview.html

Respectfully shortened.
Soliciting a murderer for hire would fall under a psychological profile. Let’s see.....
-is apathetic to others,
-has unconscionable behavior,
-is blameful of others,
-is nonconforming to norms,
-aggressive
-reckless disregard for the life of others
These characteristics correspond with Antisocial Personality Disorder.
http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/crim/crimtheory08.htm
 
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My guess is that Terri's long range plan was to collect Kaine's life insurance or perhaps an inheritance/trust fund upon his death. In order to make herself and her (and Kaine's) daughter the sole beneficiaries, she needed to get Kyron out of the way first. Perhaps her initial inquiries regarding a 'hit' on Kaine were part of an earlier (now revised) plan that changed when she saw the benefit of getting rid of Kyron first and then Kaine at a later date. More likely, IMHO, her plan all along involved the separate deaths/dissappearances of both Kyron and Kaine. Kyron would be eliminated first, with the 'hit' on Kaine become operational at some pre-determined later point in time. Additionally, I'd speculate that her plan my have been to stage a scenerio where it would appear that Kyron wanders from school, but then perishes due to exposure or drowning, thus without raising the specter of any criminal element. Perhaps she successfully removed Kyron from the school without being seen, but was unsuccessful at setting up the scene of his 'natural' death. If LE are also considering this a possible scenario, then they may believe Kyron was being kept alive until his accidental/natural demise could be staged, hence Desiree and Kaine's recent change in tone regarding Kyron's status as live or dead. With the new info from LE (according to the above scenario) Kyron's parents probably believe there is an improved (although still slim) chance he's still alive.

Good post - but, to me it doesn't make sense to hire someone to kill a father and son separately when you can have an "accident" to take care of them both with much less eyebrow raising.

Also, I think that if they were to stage a accidental death from wandering away from school, it would have to have taken place weeks ago, IMO.
 
  • #835
The landscaper - whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine's knowledge - came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.

"She led him on," sources said.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

from this article

Source: Terri Horman lied to investigators

A reliable source has told KGW News that investigators believe that Terri has lied to investigators and that there have been several instances where they have wanted to know more about her whereabouts the day her son disappeared, including:

* after cell phone records seemed to indicate that she may not have been where she said on that day;

* after her performance during several hours of polygraphs which, the source said, indicated that she was being "evasive"; and

* after examining files from her computer.

Investigators have also examined Terri's cell phone and email records, determining whom she had had contact with in the days leading up to her son's disappearance.
 
  • #836
"Terri Horman had described being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her by having an extra-marital relationship."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

We've been guessing about motive up until now, but here, we have an actual news report that Terri believed her husband had an affair. It doesn't mean he did, but that KGW has sources that she said he did.

If everybody who ever had an affair was murdered for money we would have a lot of dead bodies.
 
  • #837
Then I would expect her attorney, or another one she hires to tell them to charge her with the crime, or drop it. This is a he said, she said. They have to have more, and I have no doubt they do. I just wonder what?

There could have been testimonial support from LE for the RO. I am guessing the guy probably took and passed a LDT. While that can't be used in a criminal prosecution of anyone, it may be the family court can take into consideration LE's belief that the claim is credible?

Not sure LE has any hard evidence of the plot at this point. Could be a taken-and-passed LDT is all they have (obviously, they were trying hard to get more evidence with the recorded conversation, though).

I don't think LE would have felt it credible enough to advise Kaine to take the baby and leave without at the very least a passed LDT. Also not sure Kaine would have taken such drastic measures as to move out and obtain the RO based solely on some guy popping up with that claim with no evidence to back it up.

Who knows. Every time I try to go down one road or another in the "what if" thought process, the multiple forks in the road make it dizzying to try to pin it down. At the very least, I feel better now knowing that LE has developed such leads and is working the case hard.

As an aside (and not in response to your post), I think Kaine has gotten a bit of a bad rap with the "control freak" label in his dealing with the press. I think everything he has done has been at the direction of LE. He and Desiree are, I believe, trying to do exactly what LE asks them to do.
 
  • #838
Maybe it's time to take all these sources with a grain of salt.They are not LE.
 
  • #839
I would think the school district, which is a large one, would have its own landscape/grounds division and wouldn't hire independent landscape companies. Anyone working for the SD would be subject to a criminal background check. (Not saying someone who was cleared in a check is necessarily never going to turn criminal later, but schools are very careful about these things.) If someone was employed by the SD, I don't think they would also be self-employed on the side.

I imagine that they do work on the side . Even teachers do work in the summer to make more money.
 
  • #840
Context matters.

If the landscaper thought she was joking, I can see where he wouldn't bother reporting it to the police. Telling a joke in poor taste is not yet a crime in this country.

But when Kyron goes missing just 7 months later, that changes the context. What may have looked like a joke originally could look very different.

I have an example (I always have an example; it's the results of an ill-spent but very interesting life).

Many years ago, I was engaged in a lighthearted discussion that involved gallows humour with a doctor I knew. At one point, that doctor told a joke:

"There's the Heimlich maneuver" (she pantomimed it on herself) "and then there's the Kevorkian maneuver" (she pantomimed pinching her nose and covering her mouth).

I am completely certain that it was just a joke. I remember laughing heartily at the time.

But if I learned that seven months later this doctor was suspected of responsibility in the death of an elderly patient, that joke would suddenly look very, very different. Maybe not so much like a joke and more like a prediction.

Of course I did not report that joke to the police at the time. That would just make me look ridiculous, destroy the friendship and waste police resources. But if there had been a later suspicion about that doctor? You betcha I'd report it, even seven months later.
 
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