Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[WholeLottaRosie]

There is a thread in The Parking Lot section solely devoted to complaining about Nancy Grace. ;0)

 

[Emma Peel]

Now that they know what they know about Terri, I wonder how many reporters still have the cajones to go stand on her stoop for a grass chat?

 

[Sherbie]

Can sociopaths love their own babies? I ask because TH sure seems to love hers (from the pictures of BabyK and her comments about them).

I'll take a stab at this. I don't think sociopaths are capable of true, selfless love in the way we imagine it. I do think in their own way, they think they can "love" their children, but that sort of show can only go on so long as the children aren't a hindrance to the sociopath's living in his/her own world, where the normal rules don't apply.

It would be more like the children being props in that world, things that fit the narrative the sociopath has written, rather than being truly loved. Sociopaths can put on a good show, but at the end of the day, something is missing and their children will undoubtedly feel that.

ETA: I don't think I've ever seen on any message board I've read a single instance of an alleged murderer not being labeled a sociopath. The fact is that not all murderers are sociopaths. Though the percentage is way, waaaaay higher than among general population, it isn't always the case.

 

[Kat]

Another sociopathic thought.

If you cozy up to the landscaper and decide he might be the one, and ask him to kill your husband, and he says, no thank you. Well then. I think you're done. Because someone knows that you want to and, in fact, asked them to kill your husband. And when you husband shows up murdered, or, disappeared - this landscaper who said "no thank you", will remember your conversation.

So...I would think, that plan had to be put on hold as it failed at the "no thank you" stage. (I know some think LE is looking for Terry to keep trying to hire someone, but ...)

So what can Terry do if she can't kill Kaine?

Off the top of my head---she can hurt him in such a way to make him wish he was dead. KWIM?

 

[wondering1]

I'll take a stab at this. I don't think sociopaths are capable of true, selfless love in the way we imagine it. I do think in their own way, they think they can "love" their children, but that sort of show can only go on so long as the children aren't a hindrance to the sociopath's living in his/her own world, where the normal rules don't apply.

It would be more like the children being props in that world, things that fit the narrative the sociopath has written, rather than being truly loved. Sociopaths can put on a good show, but at the end of the day, something is missing and their children will undoubtedly feel that.

exactly. You put it much better than I did. The children are props.

 

[scotslass]

I don't know about this story, or what to make of it. As many have said, this would have been winter season when it has been allleged to occur. Also, if the first murder-for-hire says no. Does the perp give up? NO! They go and try to find another person to do the job. I would be more apt to believe this story if the landscaper would have gone to the police. I know I certainly would. Then they would have told him to go back to her and say yes - miked up and all. If he had (and if this story is true) Kryon would be with us today

All my opinion only.

Mel

I agree that I'm not sure what to make of it, but it sure explains KH's actions regarding the RO & filing for divorce. If you are correct that Kyron would not be missing today then i truly am sorry the landscaper did not contact the police months ago but perhaps it was exactly that thought that brought him forward now and for that i'm thankful (if it is indeed correct, no one should be in harms way and not be told).

On another note my worry now though is what does this have to do with Kyron's disappearance. (okay i know how it relates to TH and what she is capable of and that not all was how it seemed etc)

I just hope it does not take the focus off where it needs to be and that is "Where is Kyron?" I'm more interested in what happened to Kyron than what may have taken place kwim...

Not a slam at all on discussing this topic.... as well come on who could hear it and not have the their jaws drop this morning!! I just wish the headline was more facts on the investigation leading to Kyron, his whereabouts and who was responsible....

Hoping that tomorrows headlines bring those details...

 

[wondering1]

Another sociopathic thought.

If you cozy up to the landscaper and decide he might be the one, and ask him to kill your husband, and he says, no thank you. Well then. I think you're done. Because someone knows that you want to and, in fact, asked them to kill your husband. And when you husband shows up murdered, or, disappeared - this landscaper who said "no thank you", will remember your conversation.

So...I would think, that plan had to be put on hold as it failed at the "no thank you" stage. (I know some think LE is looking for Terry to keep trying to hire someone, but ...)

So what can Terry do if she can't kill Kaine?

I honestly don't think a sociopath would see that as a FAIL, except on the part of the person they were trying to solicit. They don't think they are doing something wrong b/c they have no concept of that. And someone who won't help them is just someone to dismiss out of hand and press on, jmoo

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I think so. And I think some of the secrets will be shocking/amazing, etc. Luckily, it is hot here and I just today planned a week of easy meals as I anticipate a lot of computer time this week. MOO

I don't care if I never hear another one of their secrets. I just want them to find Kyron -- alive. Then I want them to have enough evidence, including physical evidence, to convict whoever did this.

Today, my accomplishments were (1) partially clean the kitchen. There was no (2) or beyond. I was here, reading and posting. I convinced my husband to take the kids to Pizza Hut for dinner. This can't be a good thing because we are out of both paper and plastic cups. My kids will have to drink out of their hands.

Tomorrow I will have to use WS as a reward for getting each task done.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Tell me about it. Men can be so blind to this stuff, though. (Spokin in Kaine's defense.) But...I just don't know. These can be signs of being tired or anxious or depressed... And many sociopaths don't even know how they feel. They are empty shells and they live life on the cues of others - they respond and act the way they think YOU want them to... Tough call...

Some guys should chime in here... How often do you feel you completely miss - or simply dismiss - emotional signals from close family members? Be honest, now.

All the time.

I say "oh duh" a lot.

 

[Kat]

Can sociopaths love their own babies? I ask because TH sure seems to love hers (from the pictures of BabyK and her comments about them).

RC, I'm not sure if TH has ASPD. She could have something else wrong with her...who knows?

But to answer your question (I have no formal education in psychology) in a very broad and non-specific way, not like you or I love our children.

They see their children as pawns. They can use to manipulate others with until the child is old enough to be manipulated itself.

That isn't just a parent with ASPD's actions, we can see it in those that have NPD, and even Borderline PD at times.

JMHO.

 

[Sherbie]

Off the top of my head---she can hurt him in such a way to make him wish he was dead. KWIM?

So that if he were to turn up deceased, it might be assumed that grief/guilt were the culprit rather than any sort of hit-for-hire?

 

[mysticrose]

Now that they know what they know about Terri, I wonder how many reporters still have the cajones to go stand on her stoop for a grass chat?

Oh Pick Me , Pick Me !!! :crazy:

I'm not a reporter but I would sure try ...

 

[grandmaj]

Mod in the house very grumpy to have to clean up this thread. :nono:

 

[RoughlyCollie]

So that if he were to turn up deceased, it might be assumed that grief/guilt were the culprit rather than any sort of hit-for-hire?

I really hesitate to answer this, but I think that KH will wish he were dead if he finds out Kyron is dead, it will be so awful and painful.

 

[evelyn24]

When has TH opened her mouth and said anything? All I have see is reports of other people saying she said something.

I haven't seen where she's claimed abuse, just a report in the KATU article that she supposedly told the landscaper Kaine had an affair and it "hurt" her. I assume she meant it hurt her feelings and pride.. nothing abusive.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I don't care if I never hear another one of their secrets. I just want them to find Kyron -- alive. Then I want them to have enough evidence, including physical evidence, to convict whoever did this.

Today, my accomplishments were (1) partially clean the kitchen. There was no (2) or beyond. I was here, reading and posting. I convinced my husband to take the kids to Pizza Hut for dinner. This can't be a good thing because we are out of both paper and plastic cups. My kids will have to drink out of their hands.

Tomorrow I will have to use WS as a reward for getting each task done.

LOL! I can relate to this! Well, on the days I have time to read about Kyron's case, which isn't daily, unfortunately.

 

[Kat]

So that if he were to turn up deceased, it might be assumed that grief/guilt were the culprit rather than any sort of hit-for-hire?

Sherbie again, I have no formal education in psychology and in fact we have a couple of posters here that do, or that are self educated enough to pretty much give excellent arm chair diagnosis of various criminals we run across on these threads.

I'm jumping off your post and not directing it at the question you asked.

If TH has ASPD, and that's a big if at this moment. Many times, those with ASPD aren't satisfied to just "win". Whatever the circumstances are that they perceive they must "win" at...

Some of them must see the other person as losing. Crushing them. Squashing them. Defeating them beyond all measures.

When I responded to Emma's rhetorical question about if TH failed at having a hit on K. Then perhaps she wanted to see him lose. What is important to her "opponent"? That is where she would strike, like a cobra.

Of course this is all JMHO. AND pure speculation. Means nothing.

 

[Sherbie]

I really hesitate to answer this, but I think the KH will wish he were dead if he finds out Kyron is dead, it will be so awful and painful.

I'm sorry, I meant if Kaine were to turn up deceased. And I can't even imagine a parent's feelings when a child is lost. It's got to be the most searing, painful thing anyone could ever go through. I hope and pray that Kaine and Desiree don't have to experience that. In fact, I would hope and pray that no one ever did.

 

[Kat]

Sorry GrandmaJ. I'll not do that again

 

[Sherbie]

Sherbie again, I have no formal education in psychology and in fact we have a couple of posters here that do, or that are self educated enough to pretty much give excellent arm chair diagnosis of various criminals we run across on these threads.

I'm jumping off your post and not directing it at the question you asked.

If TH has ASPD, and that's a big if at this moment. Many times, those with ASPD aren't satisfied to just "win". Whatever the circumstances are that they perceive they must "win" at...

Some of them must see the other person as losing. Crushing them. Squashing them. Defeating them beyond all measures.

When I responded to Emma's rhetorical question about if TH failed at having a hit on K. Then perhaps she wanted to see him lose. What is important to her "opponent"? That is where she would strike, like a cobra.

Of course this is all JMHO. AND pure speculation. Means nothing.

Thank you, Kat, I understand what you're saying. I was really just jumping off your post to carry it one step further in light of the alleged hitman-for-hire claim.

Made me wonder -- if what you theorized actually were the case, then she'd certainly be capable of still wanting to carry out the original plan against Kaine as well. I hope to God not, but it might be a reason LE urged him to take the baby and leave, even though the alleged attempt to hire was many months ago.