Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[RoughlyCollie]

Many times, those with ASPD aren't satisfied to just "win". Whatever the circumstances are that they perceive they must "win" at...

Some of them must see the other person as losing. Crushing them. Squashing them. Defeating them beyond all measures.

Of course this is all JMHO. AND pure speculation. Means nothing.

Like Hitler and Stalin, perhaps?

The garden variety person with ASPD may be more sneaky, better able to hide what they are doing from everyone except their victims. At least that's what I figure. IMO.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Sherbie again, I have no formal education in psychology and in fact we have a couple of posters here that do, or that are self educated enough to pretty much give excellent arm chair diagnosis of various criminals we run across on these threads.

I'm jumping off your post and not directing it at the question you asked.

If TH has ASPD, and that's a big if at this moment. Many times, those with ASPD aren't satisfied to just "win". Whatever the circumstances are that they perceive they must "win" at...

Some of them must see the other person as losing. Crushing them. Squashing them. Defeating them beyond all measures.

When I responded to Emma's rhetorical question about if TH failed at having a hit on K. Then perhaps she wanted to see him lose. What is important to her "opponent"? That is where she would strike, like a cobra.

Of course this is all JMHO. AND pure speculation. Means nothing.

I think this is probably what happened.

What I would like to know is do these people know why they have enough anger say to kill a child? Do they logically think this out or do they just find themselves filled with this rage and strike. Do they know they are really striking at the other parent at the time?

 

[mrsu]

I wonder which version is the truth????

The original article posted it states that the LE followed up with the lawn guy upon learning of his connection to TH.

After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family. They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

In this article it states:

The landscaper - whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine's knowledge - came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.

"She led him on," sources said.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

If the latter is true it would make sense as to why he didn't come forward sooner as he believed he would get something from Terri. So....even though he says he had no intention of carrying out the plot...maybe he did? Or maybe he was waiting for some type of payment before going to the police? Or maybe he was waiting for some type of payment and was going to run off with the money knowing TH wouldn't go to the police saying "Hey...I paid this guy $10K to off my husband and he took my money and ran".

I read somewhere else that Terri and the lawn guy met thru some school functions as the lawn guy also provides the lawn service to the school and was there for some landscaping projects. So does anyone know who does the lawn care for the school??

 

[shorty42404]

Forgive me, I don't have time to read through all of the posts but I just want to say something (sorry if it's been said before already). Why would someone approach their landscaper with a murder for hire plot? A complete stranger? Really? Has this ever happened before in other cases?

You would take a big risk doing that because they could turn around and call the police. In fact I question more the landscaper than TH in this latest development because it took him 7 months to tell that to investigators. If someone had approached me about murdering someone, I mean GOODNESS, I would have called the police pronto..especially because it could have saved a LIFE! It just doesn't make sense to me.

Does anyone know why it took the landscaper so long to tell someone about this?

Blessings :heart:

 

[eyes4crime]

I think this is probably what happened.

What I would like to know is do these people know why they have enough anger say to kill a child? Do they logically think this out or do they just find themselves filled with this rage and strike. Do they know they are really striking at the other parent at the time?

Hi there Doc - any psychopath I've read about has no clue they have done much of anything wrong. They feel perfectly entitled to have done what they did. That's what makes them so odd, no empathy, no compassion, no sense of guilt. not usually. moo mho

 

[Kateyes]

My opinion is that Kaine seems to be a husband that his wives know is going to take the children, maybe out of love or maybe for spite. It seems if both wives were so worried about that at one time, then Kaine must throw around the threat - "I'm going to take the kids and there's nothing you can do about it!"

I agree it's no reason for Terri to plan a murder, but maybe it didn't start out as a motive for money, but spite. Was she capable of placing Kyron in harm's way? There's no real logic to get rid of Kyron in a devious fashion...is there?

I can think of one motive - for the life insurance. Let me explain. Kaine may have taken out a life insurance policy with Kyron as the primary beneficiary, and TH as the secondary beneficiary in the event that Kyron should predecease Kaine. In that event, it would "benefit" TH to get rid of Kyron before getting rid of Kaine.

I also had a thought about TH's 16 year old son not living there any longer. At that age it is very difficult to keep anything that happens within the household from the teenager's knowledge. Maybe TH felt that it would be better if her teenage son never knew, or even had any chance, of finding out. That way, if the deed were actually carried out, the teenage son would not know anything that he could tell to a friend, or to LE if he were later questioned. Just a couple thoughts.

 

[eyes4crime]

Forgive me, I don't have time to read through all of the posts but I just want to say something (sorry if it's been said before already). Why would someone approach their landscaper with a murder for hire plot? A complete stranger? Really? Has this ever happened before in other cases?

You would take a big risk doing that because they could turn around and call the police. In fact I question more the landscaper than TH in this latest development because it took him 7 months to tell that to investigators. If someone had approached me about murdering someone, I mean GOODNESS, I would have called the police pronto..especially because it could have saved a LIFE! It just doesn't make sense to me.

Does anyone know why it took the landscaper so long to tell someone about this?

Blessings :heart:

Welcome to WS shorty - I agree with you. Unless Terri said it as a joke or in flippant unbelievable way, I question this guy also. moo mho

 

[Sherbie]

Hi there Doc - any psychopath I've read about has no clue they have done much of anything wrong. They feel perfectly entitled to have done what they did. That's what makes them so odd, no empathy, no compassion, no sense of guilt. not usually. moo mho

You hit the nail on the head -- entitlement. "I exist, therefore the rest of the world must exist to benefit me, and all means that justify that end are perfectly a-okay."

Goodnight, everyone...thank you for the lively, intelligent conversation this evening! :grouphug:

 

[just]

Hi there Doc - any psychopath I've read about has no clue they have done much of anything wrong. They feel perfectly entitled to have done what they did. That's what makes them so odd, no empathy, no compassion, no sense of guilt. not usually. moo mho

Agreed. They, in fact, feel justified and entitled. I think she took great great pleasure in putting him in that CSI shirt, taking pictures, blaming that poor teacher on the 'appt misunderstanding' (I can get the links to her friends comments on TV about this), etc. Sadly, I know a woman with this very personality who on hearing her daughter wanted to emancipate herself at 16 (the teen hated her new stepfather) actually went to the courts herself and forfeited her parental rights. There are people so mean, so entitled, that they will stop at nothing.

It just breaks my heart that this monster was in K's life. I pray for justice.

 

[butwhatif?]

I am sure I"m in the minority, but I am completely more hopeful with this news coming out. I think she didn't want to lose Kyron if bio dad "died" so she hid him away. He might be far away (Canada, etc.), but I bet he's still alive. If she really wanted to hurt Kaine by killing Kyron, I think she would have put the body somewhere where it would be found and identified sooner rather than later. Payback would be not having any more hope.

BBM- I dunno. A lot of families of missing people say the worst thing is going for months or years with not knowing and having no closure.... Endless torture.
jmo

 

[Kat]

Forgive me, I don't have time to read through all of the posts but I just want to say something (sorry if it's been said before already). Why would someone approach their landscaper with a murder for hire plot? A complete stranger? Really? Has this ever happened before in other cases?
You would take a big risk doing that because they could turn around and call the police. In fact I question more the landscaper than TH in this latest development because it took him 7 months to tell that to investigators. If someone had approached me about murdering someone, I mean GOODNESS, I would have called the police pronto..especially because it could have saved a LIFE! It just doesn't make sense to me.

Does anyone know why it took the landscaper so long to tell someone about this?

Blessings :heart:

Hi Shorty! Welcome to WS!

To answer the part of your post where you asked a question (and I bolded it) ohhhhhhh yes. A big resounding Yes. You wouldn't believe how many people actually approach strangers to ask them to murder someone for them.

I just googled to see if I could find a list and wham...so many cases popped up!

 

[azwriter]

Forgive me, I don't have time to read through all of the posts but I just want to say something (sorry if it's been said before already). Why would someone approach their landscaper with a murder for hire plot? A complete stranger? Really? Has this ever happened before in other cases?

You would take a big risk doing that because they could turn around and call the police. In fact I question more the landscaper than TH in this latest development because it took him 7 months to tell that to investigators. If someone had approached me about murdering someone, I mean GOODNESS, I would have called the police pronto..especially because it could have saved a LIFE! It just doesn't make sense to me.

Does anyone know why it took the landscaper so long to tell someone about this?

Blessings :heart:

Shortie, I can only guess using my own life experiences.
We don't really know the complete background between Terri and the landscaper. Perhaps she knew him and understood he was a person who possibly could be hired for a hit man.
Secondly, yes, and I would report immediately to police anyone who might want us to kill someone. That's you, and a good many of people would do the same.
But, there are many people out there, for whatever reason, avoid LE. They do not trust them or they have something they are trying to keep underwraps. Perhaps if the landscaper knew he wasn't going to take the job of killing her husband, he saw no need to report it to LE.
Also, althought all of us here at WS keep on top of these cases with this site and media reports, many people do not keep up to date with news. Really. I have friends who are not aware of half the cases I study. Or they are not news junkies like I am.
I can believe this guy could have been in the dark about this case, or did not give it a second thought or make a connect. Not everyone out there is involved as we are. JMO

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I can believe this guy could have been in the dark about this case, or did not give it a second thought or make a connect. Not everyone out there is involved as we are. JMO

I've never met anyone IRL who gets involved in cases like I do. They may have heard of them, but they aren't interested in any of the details.

I've also met plenty of people who are unaware of crime -- it happens to someone else, somewhere else. It is so outside their frames of reference that if someone tried to hire them to commit murder, they would think that person was joking, especially if that person were a middle-class stay at home mom.

 

[sofia76]

My husband is completely in the dark about this case. He knows nothing about it except for what I've told him, hadn't heard about it, and probably couldn't care less. We don't watch local news, CNN, or morning talk shows. We don't have TV, and we don't get the newspaper. I'm sure there are plenty of Portlanders who have no idea what is going on with this case. They may have seen a flier or billboard of Kyron, but might not even realize he's local or recently gone missing.

 

[eyes4crime]

BBM- I dunno. A lot of families of missing people say the worst thing is going for months or years with not knowing and having no closure.... Endless torture.
jmo

That would have to be the worst. Every moment of every day would be filled wondering where my child is, wondering if he/she is in pain, how my child would be making sense of us not being there to rescue. Scenarios running through my head night and day. I don't know how I would ever get through such a horrible tragedy. I would definitely want closure. moo

 

[Cat13067]

I am just wondering why LE can not charge TH with child neglect. Had TH walked Kyron to his classroom instead of watching him walk down the hallway Kyron would have been in a safe place with his teacher, and class mates. There has to be something LE can charge TH with to get her into their custody.

 

[mtnone]

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office has no comments regarding the July 4, 2010 Oregonian story - 07/04/10
There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported in the July 4, 2010 Oregonian. The information released in the Oregonian article did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.





http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

 

[fran]

Wow! I've been gone today and just now saw this. I'm going to have to read up and see what this is all about.

Murder for hire!?

I never saw that one coming. I'll check it out to see IF true.

JMHO
fran

PS.....but, where's Kyron?

 

[DairyGirl]

I know a lot of people are talking about TH being a sociopath and all that. I don't have enough information to know that but it does seem like she has been on a decline for at least the past 8 months. Just by looking at her pictures from last Halloween to now you can see a big difference. I am thinking they may try to blame PPD since 8 months ago was within a year of her child's birth. I just don't see how a person could be normal and functional for all those years and all of the sudden want her husband killed. I do think that money may have been a motivation. And anger at Kaine and DY, too. If Kaine had a life insurance policy I am sure Kyron would be a main beneficiary. If something happened to Kaine then that money would go to DY. If Kyron wasn't around all the money would go to baby K. I also think that if someone wanted to hurt me the way to do it would be through my kids or grandkids. That would be much worse then death to me. This way she sticks it to Kaine and DY. Maybe she thought there could be a law suit against the school district? And later, when all the fuss dies down, Kaine has an "accident"?

 

[kbl8201]

I know a lot of people are talking about TH being a sociopath and all that. I don't have enough information to know that but it does seem like she has been on a decline for at least the past 8 months. Just by looking at her pictures from last Halloween to now you can see a big difference. I am thinking they may try to blame PPD since 8 months ago was within a year of her child's birth. I just don't see how a person could be normal and functional for all those years and all of the sudden want her husband killed. I do think that money may have been a motivation. And anger at Kaine and DY, too. If Kaine had a life insurance policy I am sure Kyron would be a main beneficiary. If something happened to Kaine then that money would go to DY. If Kyron wasn't around all the money would go to baby K. I also think that if someone wanted to hurt me the way to do it would be through my kids or grandkids. That would be much worse then death to me. This way she sticks it to Kaine and DY. Maybe she thought there could be a law suit against the school district? And later, when all the fuss dies down, Kaine has an "accident"?

not sure but think this would be the first time ever ppd was blamed for contract murder