Landscaper says Terri Horman wanted him to kill her husband!

[JSR]

I understand--to me, it is all connected, as it is all about TH "cooperating", which somehow becomes synonymous with "clearing her name".

Sorry but this is NOT about Terri "clearing her name". No one cares about Terri or her reputation etc. There is ONLY one single thing people are concerned about. And that's Kyron.

Terri shouldn't be concerned about being some "fall guy". It amazes me how people think LE tries to railroad everyone. Terri's only concern should be to do whatever it takes to find Kyron. If that means to be hypnotized to try to pick up more clues, being polygraphed until the cows come home, or being interviewed for hours. If she's not guilty then she doesn't have anything to worry about.

And for those who don't think its unusual that Terri hasn't spoken via the media. I know another person who also refused to speak to the media on behalf of their missing loved one. His name is Scott Peterson and he's sitting on death row.

We don't know all the facts. We aren't in the "inner circle". I'm not ready to throw the book at Terri but I'm also not going to go off and think that LE is this evil entity that only wants to railroad people. What they want is what EVERYONE wants (and what Terri should want too) and that's to find this precious little boy.

 

[Emma Peel]

It's quite simple to me.

Scenario 1. Imagine you're innocent of any wrongdoing but you're in the eye of the storm because of a missing child. The guy who used to do your lawn has decided to take the opportunity to make up a blackmail scheme and he comes to visit you with a scary looking pal, talking something very worrisome about killing your husband. You have no idea what's going on. What would you do?

I think you would call 911 because you would be scared for yourself and your husband and because there is a chance that this strangely acting guy and his scary friend have something to do with your child going missing.

Scenario 2. You asked your gardener to kill your husband but he didn't do it. Now you're in the middle of a missing child investigation and you think they suspect you. Suddenly the gardener who left you alone for months reappears with a friend and threatens to tell LE about your past conversations. You are feeling a little paranoid in every day situations and this makes your dangermeter blink on red alert. You think his friend kinda looks like an undercover agent and wonder if your lawnboy has already told LE and if this is a setup. What would you do? You need to act like you're innocent, so what do you do?

Plan 1. Stay silent.
Advantages: LE might not hear about your murder-for-hire plan. Disadvantages: You might have to pay him money that you don't have, and then some. Why would he quit having got ten grand? Also, if LE is watching your finances they will ask uncomfortable questions if money vanishes. Furthermore, if he's already told LE and if this is a setup, you will look like you have something to hide if you go along with the lawn guy's demands.

Plan 2. Inform LE.
Disadvantages: If the lawn guy hasn't told LE about your murder-for-hire plan they will find out. But if this is a set up it will not matter because they already know.
Advantages: If this is a setup, you have a chance to bluff your way through it saying you know nothing about any murder-for-hire plan. If it's his word against yours it might work. You look more innocent if you inform LE about the encounter yourself than if they need to come and ask you about it. An innocent person would call LE if someone talks about killing her husband and attempts blackmail.

I think it makes sense to call LE.

Donjeta, this was exactly my thinking. Nice post.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Terri shouldn't be concerned about being some "fall guy". It amazes me how people think LE tries to railroad everyone. Terri's only concern should be to do whatever it takes to find Kyron. If that means to be hypnotized to try to pick up more clues, being polygraphed until the cows come home, or being interviewed for hours. If she's not guilty then she doesn't have anything to worry about.

Except there are cases where LE has erroneously focused on an innocent person. Yes, it is about finding Kyron. But if she is innocent, how should she act if LE is completely focused on her as the perpetrator? Of course, cooperate - but what I think a few people are trying to point out is that you don't help LE and the DA convict you when someone else committed the crime.

LE is fallible. I'm not the type to think that LE is always out to railroad someone, is racist, etc. However, I do certainly think it's possible that in a high-pressure, close to home case, sometimes you can become too focused on one theory to the detriment of the case. We don't know all the facts for this case, but I don't think it's unreasonable for posters to question the public focus on only one person.

 

[cypress]

Sorry but this is NOT about Terri "clearing her name". No one cares about Terri or her reputation etc. There is ONLY one single thing people are concerned about. And that's Kyron.

Terri shouldn't be concerned about being some "fall guy". It amazes me how people think LE tries to railroad everyone. Terri's only concern should be to do whatever it takes to find Kyron. If that means to be hypnotized to try to pick up more clues, being polygraphed until the cows come home, or being interviewed for hours. If she's not guilty then she doesn't have anything to worry about.

And for those who don't think its unusual that Terri hasn't spoken via the media. I know another person who also refused to speak to the media on behalf of their missing loved one. His name is Scott Peterson and he's sitting on death row.

We don't know all the facts. We aren't in the "inner circle". I'm not ready to throw the book at Terri but I'm also not going to go off and think that LE is this evil entity that only wants to railroad people. What they want is what EVERYONE wants (and what Terri should want too) and that's to find this precious little boy.

I don't believe LE are evil, but I believe they are fallible.

This is about Kyron, but God help Terri Horman if she is innocent, because LE, DY, TY, and KH have all but named her the prime and only suspect in Kyron's disappearance. We are certainly not privy to everything LE knows, but we know that prior to the day of the sting, Kaine was still in the home, so up until that point, he hadn't left Terri or taken baby K as a result of Kyron's disappearance. This is after at least one polygraph. It is logical to assume that what drove him to leave is the murder-for-hire investigation, which, again, seems based on largely circumstantial evidence.

A little boy is missing, but that doesn't mean that an innocent woman's life should be destroyed in the process of finding him if, in fact, Terri is innocent of harming Kyron.

I was reading about Maura Murray's case, and there was a bus driver who stopped to help her; he was eventually hounded about her disappearance. He moved to another state and said that he would never again stop to help someone because of how he'd been treated and all the speculation and assertions about his possible involvement in her disappearance. It's obvious to anyone with two brain cells that he was a good Samaritan, and Maura actually refused his help and he literally drove around the corner to his home.

If there's evidence that leads to proof of Terri's involvement in Kyron's disappearance, then I'll be at the front of the cyberline supporting punishment to the fullest extent of the law, but if she's innocent and has perhaps made some bad choices in the past (I'm not talking about the murder-for-hire thing), or if she grieves differently than most people or whatever the case may be, I don't think she should be railroaded and her life ruined simply because she was one of the last people to see him alive and LE have no other leads.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Is it even possible that all has NOW determined that there is NO validity to Landscaper's story?

The unsealing of the RO request has thrown me for a loop.....so am now wondering if...

Landscaper, when approached by LE, comes up with this "murder for hire" story (that 15 min fame game) and with nothing to REFUTE it at the time, after INITIAL investigation, in order to protect Kaine and the baby, immediately take action to protect them, and attempt to try to substantiate by sending UO and landscaper out to "visit" and see how she responds. I would imagine it would be difficult for LE to obtain a judge's order to wiretap house without more than just landscaper "story"?

Could RO have been filed and sealed to protect integrity of case WHILE they began their investigation? Isn't that specific reasoning used in request to seal...?

Is it possible that upon completion of the investigation, it has been determined by LE that there is NO evidence, even circumstantial, to corroborate Landscaper's tale, which explains why they no longer wish to keep RO sealed.....could we action from Terri's attorney this week to have RO dropped due to irrelevance?

Is it possible that Landscaper's tale of "murder for hire" was an embellishment (he said murder....she said hire....), because that would be a logical explanation for me as to why:

#1: Landscaper never reported this to LE 6 mos ago, or even when Kyron all over news

#2: Explanation of why Terri called 911 for "threat".......

I know if some guy who cut my grass last year shows up at my house when I am alone and tells me he is here to collect the $10,000 I promised him to kill my husband, I am calling LE right away too!

 

[shefner]

I don't think the police are looking to railroad people....but I think they blew it by taking the word of this landscaper who apparently doesn't communicate very well in English. They put alot on the line by wiring him up. The fact that Terri called the cops right away makes me take a second glance at my innate feelings that she's guilty. I know the detectives are trying anything to simultaneously find Kyron and nail the perp. But what really sticks out to me is that they are not using very traditional methods of locating him, especially if they think he's living. Other than WS, I've not heard much about their searches. And we all know the statistics that relate to the chances of resolving this in a favorable way with each day that passes by....

 

[Chili Fries]

If they have cell phone ping evidence that shows to a high probability Terri wasn't where she said she was the day Kyron disappeared...that is extremely compelling evidence. I think, given the amount of towers in the area and the lay of the land, that LE could be very confident of the cell ping evidence. And if Terri later came up with some crap story to explain why she lied about her whereabouts (think Josh Powell's ridiculous camping story) then LE have good cause to cast a very suspicious eye her way.

I'm sure LE felt they had to move on the murder for hire issue and knew there was a small chance Terri would implicate herself going into the sting. Sounds like they had a very small time window anyway because they were going to tell Kaine. It's not like they could leave him in the house as bait for a woman they think has already killed a member of the family. She was going to find out when she got the RO documentation. The sting was probably a longshot but why not take the chance.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

No,I do not think there is validity to his story at all.Apparantly Terri ?told LE about him and he in turn said this about her.Why LE ever believed him I do not know.I really hope they are looking into him as a POI now and check into him.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

This is just a theory I have.It's just my opinion.That's all.She may or may not have had an affair with this guy the LS after Kaine had his possible affair.Maybe she did not want the LS any more and he was disgruntled and hurt Kyron or sold Kyron on his own.Maybe Terri really thought he was a POI and should be looked into.I really hope they are looking into him.He is now high on my list to look at.

 

[Mylou]

The lawnguy may have set her up, first by seduction, then by threats and control.
In my life I have found alot of people tend to be attracted to similar type of people.
Unless they do a whole lot of self searching, they tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.
She didn't seem to hesitate in calling 911.
She also pleaded quilty to her DUI.
LE did say she was being cooperative. The family says she is not.
What if she is ? What if she really told all that she knows ?

 

[Calliope]

The lawnguy may have set her up, first by seduction, then by threats and control.
In my life I have found alot of people tend to be attracted to similar type of people.
Unless they do a whole lot of self searching, they tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.
She didn't seem to hesitate in calling 911.
She also pleaded quilty to her DUI.
LE did say she was being cooperative. The family says she is not.
What if she is ? What if she really told all that she knows ?

She's also been divorced before. Why all of a sudden is divorce no longer an option?

 

[gardeness]

Sorry but this is NOT about Terri "clearing her name". No one cares about Terri or her reputation etc. There is ONLY one single thing people are concerned about. And that's Kyron.

Terri shouldn't be concerned about being some "fall guy". It amazes me how people think LE tries to railroad everyone. Terri's only concern should be to do whatever it takes to find Kyron. If that means to be hypnotized to try to pick up more clues, being polygraphed until the cows come home, or being interviewed for hours. If she's not guilty then she doesn't have anything to worry about.

And for those who don't think its unusual that Terri hasn't spoken via the media. I know another person who also refused to speak to the media on behalf of their missing loved one. His name is Scott Peterson and he's sitting on death row.

We don't know all the facts. We aren't in the "inner circle". I'm not ready to throw the book at Terri but I'm also not going to go off and think that LE is this evil entity that only wants to railroad people. What they want is what EVERYONE wants (and what Terri should want too) and that's to find this precious little boy.

However, after reading your post, I realize that I don't have the faith in LE and the justice system that you seem to have. If people were clearly turning on me and I were innocent, there is no way I would give them any information to twist into ammunition. (Also, as an aside, I am a mother. If I were innocent and someone took my baby the way Kaine took K., I would consider it *war*).

In the past 10 years, I have seen numerous people, who were convicted prisoners, exonerated for the crime that they were accused of. Maybe, years ago, I had the faith in the justice system that you have, but it is gone after seeing all of these people who were falsely accused and their lives ruined.

 

[JBean]

She's also been divorced before. Why all of a sudden is divorce no longer an option?

I know many people that do not believe divorce is an option specifically BECAUSE they have already been divorced at least once.

 

[Charlie09]

If they have cell phone ping evidence that shows to a high probability Terri wasn't where she said she was the day Kyron disappeared...that is extremely compelling evidence. I think, given the amount of towers in the area and the lay of the land, that LE could be very confident of the cell ping evidence. And if Terri later came up with some crap story to explain why she lied about her whereabouts (think Josh Powell's ridiculous camping story) then LE have good cause to cast a very suspicious eye her way.

I'm sure LE felt they had to move on the murder for hire issue and knew there was a small chance Terri would implicate herself going into the sting. Sounds like they had a very small time window anyway because they were going to tell Kaine. It's not like they could leave him in the house as bait for a woman they think has already killed a member of the family. She was going to find out when she got the RO documentation. The sting was probably a longshot but why not take the chance.

I'm confused, I thought it's been said that LE knew for 7 months about the threat against Kaine....so obviously they left him there for a month with the threat right?

Who has said they think Kyron has been killed? link? source?

 

[Mylou]

I'm confused, I thought it's been said that LE knew for 7 months about the threat against Kaine....so obviously they left him there for a month with the threat right?

Who has said they think Kyron has been killed? link? source?

I believe it was the landscaper told LE that she tried to hire him 6-7 months previously. Not that LE knew about it 6-7 months previously. Which would have meant if she tried to hire him it would have been Nov 2009. LE never knew until he either went forward or they interviewed him after Kyron's disappearance.

 

[Calliope]

I know many people that do not believe divorce is an option specifically BECAUSE they have already been divorced at least once.

Maybe.

I'd still like to know why (if the LS's story is indeed true).

 

[Chili Fries]

I'm confused, I thought it's been said that LE knew for 7 months about the threat against Kaine....so obviously they left him there for a month with the threat right?

Who has said they think Kyron has been killed? link? source?

From what I understand the landscaper only gave up the murder for hire info when approached by LE during the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.

Also, I think it's obvious that LE think there is a great probability Kyron is no longer with us.

 

[Charlie09]

From what I understand the landscaper only gave up the murder for hire info when approached by LE during the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.

Also, I think it's obvious that LE think there is a great probability Kyron is no longer with us.

Well, I can link to where they say they are looking for an ALIVE Kyron, so until I see different, that's what I'm going with.

 

[JBean]

snipped by jbean for emphasis.

LE is fallible. I'm not the type to think that LE is always out to railroad someone, is racist, etc. However, I do certainly think it's possible that in a high-pressure, close to home case, sometimes you can become too focused on one theory to the detriment of the case. We don't know all the facts for this case, but I don't think it's unreasonable for posters to question the public focus on only one person.

Not only do I agree, but I got the boot from jury duty for saying something similar. Pretty sure there was no direct or hard evidence and I was going to have to take LE's word for it.
However, even the defense didn't want me. :floorlaugh:

 

[JSR]

If you think that *I* think that this is about Terri clearing her name, you did not comprehend my post.

However, after reading your post, I realize that I don't have the faith in LE and the justice system that you seem to have. If people were clearly turning on me and I were innocent, there is no way I would give them any information to twist into ammunition. (Also, as an aside, I am a mother. If I were innocent and someone took my baby the way Kaine took Kiara, I would consider it *war*).

In the past 10 years, I have seen numerous people, who were convicted prisoners, exonerated for the crime that they were accused of. Maybe, years ago, I had the faith in the justice system that you have, but it is gone after seeing all of these people who were falsely accused and their lives ruined.

Then, as a mother, if you believed (and was shown some substantial evidence) that your spouse tried to have you killed would you not take the one child you are certain IS alive and run?

Right now there IS NO war. There's only a 7 year old child missing. And as a mother herself Terri should know this isn't about her ego, her appearance of being innocent, her marriage this is simply about Kyron. She should be having her atty make a statement that finding Kyron is the number one priority please keep looking for him. But she's said not a word. Not once since he's been missing.

It's vindictive as hell to think just because a parent did what they believed was in the best interests of their child to then say well I'm not giving them any information in regards to Kyron. This isn't about loyalty or Terri being hurt if she feels Kaine "turned" on her. None of that matters, not until Kyron is found.

This whole forum is filled with rumors. I'm not ready to make any judgment on anyone right now. And that's including LE. We simply don't have all the information.

I don't believe LE is all knowing or infallible. But I do know the only interests they have are finding Kyron and safely. I myself work in the legal field. And although our legal system is flawed and fallible, it's still a HELL of a lot better than any other system out there. It's not the job of LE to "pin" any crime on a citizen.

And it's true there have been wrongly convicted persons in our county. But there also have been people who get off on crimes. OJ Simpson ring a bell to anyone. And may I note in that case it was the biases of the jury members against LE that let OJ Simpson get away with a brutal double homicide.