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[scandi]

The skin is starting to seperate from the body in sheets by day day two so I don't think wrapping tape around the head would be less horrific than the protruding tongue, but who knows.

I am starting to think she wrapped the tape around the head of a crying Caylee who was just drug out of grandma's house still in her swimsuit to shut her up. Rage filled act and then throws her in the trunk sometime shortly after. If the tape was in the car (Amy's from May?) it may have just been an opportunistic tool. The chloroform confuses me, as does ZFG being at Sawgrass June 17th????

The pesticides and the stain in the trunk lead me to think she was unbagged in the trunk for some period and that she bagged her at the Anthony home one of the days the neighbor sees her coming and going. If she then chucked her down the side of the road the day she says she ran out of gas (the 20th) we have her in the right location, walking away from an abandoned vehicle that she can't easily leave a body in.

I think it was rage filled and intentional but not nearly as well thought out as I originally gave her credit for. She is a deal with it when you no longer have a choice ill tempered lazy brat. Not the criminal mastermind one would expect. I think George and Cindy have systematically lied about the circumstances of their last seeing Casey and Caylee and the gas cans and is what they want immunity for.

Hi Impatientredhead,

I didn't realize that the skin starts to sheet off within the first two days, so thanks for that. I know the skin shows darker areas with livor mortis and the marbling within the first 2.5 days. I do hope the forensics will show when she was taped as it really makes all the difference in premeditation IMO.

Reading your post has convinced me she probably wasn't bagged right away. I agree she was no criminal mastermind and think everything she did was impromptu with very little thought put into it. My God, who would leave a body in an enclosed area for several days and not realize upon opening that area the smell would be enough to knock you over!

Tell you what. I hope she had sheer thoughts of panic going thru this ordeal. If she is psychopathic to some degree, or Colder than Ice as we used to say about Scott Peterson where there is little emotion, I don't think she did panic. She just did what she had to do to solve the problem as it played out.

I think the only thing on her mind was not wanting to get caught!


A Happy Hi to you River Rat ;}

 

[cinny2227]

Thank you and yes, I wanted to see this as an "accident" for quite awhile-- I never got into the pure accident theory that Caylee just drowned and Casey panicked. But I was thinking it could have been a sinister and fully culpable "accident" -- but I also have troubles holding onto any full accident theories. Especially after we learned that there was complete skull detachment -- AND some soft tissue/tape evidence on the skull. To me, the remaining tape/underlying soft tissue shows the skull detachment probably couldn't have resulted from an animal disturbing the remains, nor were th environmental factors THAT extreme-- so I think those "neck breaking" searches might have been put to use. And yes, she's completely cold and heartless IMO. :furious::furious::furious: But! Don't forget, she's started eating cole slaw! :furious:Monster!:furious:

If I'm not mistaking the skull is not attached by anytype of bone to the body, it just kidda sits on the spinal column and is only attached by brain and spianl cord, I think being in the trunk of the car for whatever period of time in the flordia summer heat would accelerate decomp, then she laid under water for months, this could cause the skull to just seperate from the rest of the body.

 

[ibyoungr]

CINDY ANTHONY: She told me that they had gotten into -- that she -- her and Zanny -- I mean, Raquel (ph) and Zanny were about eight cars ahead of her and Juliette and the girls. Casey had her car. Zanny had their car. So Zanny and Raquel were ahead, and somehow there was an accident (INAUDIBLE) Casey and Juliet (ph) witnessed the accident.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

How will the defense defend this story?Or will they
gloss over it and pretend she never said it?

Cindy and the defense can just say that Casey lied to her. That Casey "was afraid".... to tell her mother the truth. Cindy will not be in trouble for repeating a lie.
It isn't a crime to lie to your mother. Only to the police which Casey is already in trouble for.. no glossing that one over!

 

[beckaroozie]

"She maintains she dropped her little girl off with Gonzalez and another woman in an apartment complex parking lot and saw them drive away."

Is this something new that KC told her lawyers? I never remember reading 'she dropped her off in the parking lot to 2 women and 'watched them drive away'. Am I missing something?

This was on the Fox website from Todd B.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469545,00.html

 

[PoppyH]

"She maintains she dropped her little girl off with Gonzalez and another woman in an apartment complex parking lot and saw them drive away."

Is this something new that KC told her lawyers? I never remember reading 'she dropped her off in the parking lot to 2 women and 'watched them drive away'. Am I missing something?

This was on the Fox website from Todd B.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469545,00.html

Hm, must be thier latest version of the Kidnapping BS story, This is the first Ive heard of that also

 

[STEADFAST]

Wow. Ashley Banfield just said on CNN that duct tape can be traced. I mean, apart from the torn ends or fingerprints or whatever -- even if those are absent or don't match up, duct tape from a body can be matched to duct tape made in the same lot that may be found in a house of a suspect.

 

[MysteryAddict]

Does anyone understand the latest report of finding more teeth?
If the mouth was bound with tape, wouldn't the teeth have been intact in the skull?

 

[Drivenon]

My read on Lee is that he and Casey are not really that close. Her cell records and text messages do not show any regular calls or texts. He is the "mr fix it negotiator" in this dysfunctional group. He gets called in when things are totally out of control, he finds out from Casey what she has done now, and then tries to negotiate with Cindy since C and C just scream at each other. He tried hard to do that early on in this scenario.

He is ill tempered like his father and a control freak like his mother. Once he realized he could not fix this situation, the only thing left for him to control is making them go the distance to get what they want from him (DNA, fingerprints, etc...). I find him unlikeable, like most of the crew, but I don't think he has done anything sinister.

With the exception of July 3, where he is texting and calling as is his gf, MP, into the wee hours after Cindy calls him a few times. I suspect that something was found in that yard that weekend, when conveniently the pavers and landscaping extravaganza took place. MOO

 

[Indigo]

Does anyone understand the latest report of finding more teeth?
If the mouth was bound with tape, wouldn't the teeth have been intact in the skull?

The only sense I can make of this is that the tape was still attached to the hair, but had come lose in the front because of decomposition.

 

[LaLaw2000]

"She maintains she dropped her little girl off with Gonzalez and another woman in an apartment complex parking lot and saw them drive away."

Is this something new that KC told her lawyers? I never remember reading 'she dropped her off in the parking lot to 2 women and 'watched them drive away'. Am I missing something?

This was on the Fox website from Todd B.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469545,00.html

FWIW, this is the first time I have heard this version. Casey stated that she dropped Caylee off at the stairs leading to Z's apartment.

ETA: It is about time for Todd Black to come out in public rather than hide and criticize LE and the FBI in print. I would LOVE for him to make these statements in public!!!

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/12/minutetominute_update_in_remains_discovery_12_11.html

Casey will be the first to be notified if it is Caylee.... per cf13..

 

[beckaroozie]

FWIW, this is the first time I have heard this version. Casey stated that she dropped Caylee off at the stairs leading to Z's apartment.

That's what I thought too LaLaw....she changes it everyday. I can't believe her lawyers and that TB actually believe this BS and can't see the changes in her story from day to day. They're just hanging out for the fame factor, I think. Ugh.

 

[LinasK]

I've been thinking about the duct tape too. A frequent way a parent kills a child (premeditated) is to smother them. So what if the duct tape were wrapped around the head twice, so as to make sure the mouth and the nose were covered? It would mean she didn't have to stop and tear or cut the tape so much.

So chloroform could have been applied to put Caylee out, then duct tape to cover her mouth and nose. She would have died within minutes, no blood or muss to explain.

That's my theory too...

 

[Indigo]

Wow. Ashley Banfield just said on CNN that duct tape can be traced. I mean, apart from the torn ends or fingerprints or whatever -- even if those are absent or don't match up, duct tape from a body can be matched to duct tape made in the same lot that may be found in a house of a suspect.

It sure can! The manufacturer and date of manufacture can be traced. This was done in the JonBenet case. (similar tape it seems in this case)

 

[impatientredhead]

With the exception of July 3, where he is texting and calling as is his gf, MP, into the wee hours after Cindy calls him a few times. I suspect that something was found in that yard that weekend, when conveniently the pavers and landscaping extravaganza took place. MOO

July 3rd is the day of Cindy's myspace posting, and Cindy going to Universal to find Caylee and the Nanny (according to Casey that is where Caylee is). I think Cindy is having a fit this day and since she is at Universal may even get full confirmation that Casey does not work there. Lee is rounded up to fix this, to go find his sister, and bring them home. MOO

 

[RiverRat]

Hi Impatientredhead,

I didn't realize that the skin starts to sheet off within the first two days, so thanks for that. I know the skin shows darker areas with livor mortis and the marbling within the first 2.5 days. I do hope the forensics will show when she was taped as it really makes all the difference in premeditation IMO.

Reading your post has convinced me she probably wasn't bagged right away. I agree she was no criminal mastermind and think everything she did was impromptu with very little thought put into it. My God, who would leave a body in an enclosed area for several days and not realize upon opening that area the smell would be enough to knock you over!

Tell you what. I hope she had sheer thoughts of panic going thru this ordeal. If she is psychopathic to some degree, or Colder than Ice as we used to say about Scott Peterson where there is little emotion, I don't think she did panic. She just did what she had to do to solve the problem as it played out.

I think the only thing on her mind was not wanting to get caught!


A Happy Hi to you River Rat ;}

Hey you! What's one more case to muddle though at this point, huh?!This one sucked me in for so many reasons, but it tends to make me almost miss Patsy! You KNOW that if she were here, she would not appreciate her crown being passed down!

 

[LaLaw2000]

Does anyone understand the latest report of finding more teeth?
If the mouth was bound with tape, wouldn't the teeth have been intact in the skull?

I simply do not understand this. Was Caylee somehow 'repackaged' when placed where she was found? The teeth usually remain attached for quite some time! So, how did this happen if the skull was so wrapped in duct tape? Doesn't make sense to me!

Does anyone know how long the teeth usually remain in place? TIA.

 

[impatientredhead]

I simply do not understand this. Was Caylee somehow 'repackaged' when placed where she was found? The teeth usually remain attached for quite some time! So, how did this happen if the skull was so wrapped in duct tape? Doesn't make sense to me!

Does anyone know how long the teeth usually remain in place? TIA.

This is posted earlier in the thread but baby teeth do not have root structure of adult teeth, and as the body decayed tape would on the outside of mouth only blocks one exit route.

 

[yolorado]

I think you absolutely right. LA had already stated before in his interview that him and KC had a relationship unlike the parents. That's why in the beginning CA called LA to come home and talk to KC. CA thought that KC would tell LA what had really happened. I believe that after KC was incarcerated, she eventually did tell LA what happened.(he told her not to trust Baez, and that they should send letters).
Could he have been the one to move the body from one location to another?
Could he have been (screwing) the lady that claim to have photographs of the area when it was dry and there was no body (when she searched with Equusearch it was after the hurricane, the area would have been wet.)
SHe searched the area before she got with Equusearch?
Could his fingerprints be on the bag or duct tape? He refused polygraph (what does he know?) He refused fingerprinting (what are his fingerprints on that he does not want it to be matched back to him?)

Someone please help me figure this out.

It's just very difficult for me to imagine that if LA or GA moved the body, the would have moved it to where it was found, so close to home, to KC's pet cemetary. If they were trying to cover for KC, why didn't they take the body far, far away. Course, maybe the point was not covering but discovery. Still, it seems more plausible that the the body had been in the vicinity all along, even though it may have changed locations or have been unearthed due to the weather. We'd all like to think if we a searched a place where a body had been hidden that we'd find it, but that frequently is not the case. Some actions of the Ants have appeared as if they were 'acting guilty' at various times to different degrees, so I get when people see some type of guilt as possible, especially with their present request for immunity and Lee's seeming reticence to sometimes co-operate, but I just don't see them moving the body to where it was found...unless they wanted it to be found sooner rather than later.

 

[SmilingSweetly]

My read on Lee is that he and Casey are not really that close. Her cell records and text messages do not show any regular calls or texts. He is the "mr fix it negotiator" in this dysfunctional group. He gets called in when things are totally out of control, he finds out from Casey what she has done now, and then tries to negotiate with Cindy since C and C just scream at each other. He tried hard to do that early on in this scenario.

He is ill tempered like his father and a control freak like his mother. Once he realized he could not fix this situation, the only thing left for him to control is making them go the distance to get what they want from him (DNA, fingerprints, etc...). I find him unlikeable, like most of the crew, but I don't think he has done anything sinister.

I disagree about the closeness part. My sister and I are really close... but we don't send a lot of texts or call each other on a daily basis. We usually email or send Myspace messages... although there are periods of time when we are both really busy with work/kids that can keep us from contacting each other for a long period of time. I tell her EVERYTHING, though... and she would be someone that my entire family would consider to be one of the only people I would open up to in a situation like this (although... I would NEVER be in one like this, EVER).